OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Blamed Canada

[ChaosAgent]

They are. No one is living up to their contract currently, but these guys are good football players.

This defense should be a top 5 unit.

Our 2nd and 3rd corners are Levi Wallace and a 34 year old. We have one safety.

The Steelers are not that talented. Even TJ Watt is showing why Garrett is clearly superior.

 

[Pens x]

Look at Tomlin’s most recent playoff wins. They were against Matt More, A.J. McCaron and Alex Smith at QB.

 

[pistolpete11]

This is going to sound kind of contradictory, but I don't know how else to explain it - he is unable to execute X's and O's as a coach (gameplan/clock management) and disciplining players, but when he speaks they listen. I believe that if he had coordinators that were competent in the way LeBeau was, Tomlin would have had multiple Super Bowls. He is a leader of men, but he is not good at the nuts and bolts of the day to day grind of keeping young 20 year olds on track.

If that's true, then for his teams to show up as unprepared, unfocused, unserious, and taking the opponent lightly as often as they do, that he is unprepared, unfocused, unserious, and taking the opponent lightly. Doesn't sound like a leader of men to me.

Our 2nd and 3rd corners are Levi Wallace and a 34 year old. We have one safety.

The Steelers are not that talented. Even TJ Watt is showing why Garrett is clearly superior.

Watt is at worst the 3rd best defensive player in the NFL. At worst.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

The players are professionals and getting paid an obscene amount of money. So it is hard to excuse their actions and when they act childish.

However, I will say that if we are frustrated watching this garbage imagine how some of the more skilled players feel watching the careers that they worked their entire lives for go down the toilet because the coaches are morons.

Imagine that you had a manager who acted like Tomlin and the stooges that he hires to be fall guys for his system. And you had no choice, you could not quit and go elsewhere.

I get the frustration even though as I said above you cannot excuse them because of it.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

This is going to sound kind of contradictory, but I don't know how else to explain it - he is unable to execute X's and O's as a coach (gameplan/clock management) and disciplining players, but when he speaks they listen. I believe that if he had coordinators that were competent in the way LeBeau was, Tomlin would have had multiple Super Bowls. He is a leader of men, but he is not good at the nuts and bolts of the day to day grind of keeping young 20 year olds on track.

I take issue with that statement.

The player conduct, penalties, etc have been below the line if you will.

So that leads to one drawing 1 of 2 conclusions:

- He isn't teaching/sending the correct messages
- He is teaching/sending the messages, but they've tuned him out

Even TJ Watt is showing why Garrett is clearly superior.

That is absolutely not true. TJ is twice the football player that Garrett is

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Interesting YT comments/discussion about race playing a factor in Tomlin's continued employment



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It's funny. The media used to mock and belittle Jeff Fisher for mediocrity, but love Tomlin for it. Is 8-8 or 9-8 really that much better than 7-9 or 8-9?

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Don't know what I'd call him, but I do know this for sure (having talked to many dozens, if not 100's, of "MTs" in the exact community/employment area he grew up in): He was/is tired of white men being in control of black men/women (the life opportunities for black men are controlled by white men via the largest employer there, and his family and friends have lived it). He wants to be a father figure/mentor to young, underprivileged, inner-city black men and "rise them up", and wants other "strong" black men to join/help him in he process.

In today's world, if he was a white man and had those feelings (and acted on them), he would be labeled a racist, I'm pretty sure. It's for each person to decide, I guess. Regarding decisions for our Steelers, I'd prefer to not bring race into the equation at all, but MT (and Deuce favoring minorities) has obviously certainly done so.
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[Shockmaster]

Here's a picture of Art II at last night's game:

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Here we are, 5 years later

 

[Night Shift]

Look at Tomlin’s most recent playoff wins. They were against Matt More, A.J. McCaron and Alex Smith at QB.

The players are professionals and getting paid an obscene amount of money. So it is hard to excuse their actions and when they act childish.

However, I will say that if we are frustrated watching this garbage imagine how some of the more skilled players feel watching the careers that they worked their entire lives for go down the toilet because the coaches are morons.

Imagine that you had a manager who acted like Tomlin and the stooges that he hires to be fall guys for his system. And you had no choice, you could not quit and go elsewhere.

I get the frustration even though as I said above you cannot excuse them because of it.

Interesting YT comments/discussion about race playing a factor in Tomlin's continued employment



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It's funny. The media used to mock and belittle Jeff Fisher for mediocrity, but love Tomlin for it. Is 8-8 or 9-8 really that much better than 7-9 or 8-9?

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Don't know what I'd call him, but I do know this for sure (having talked to many dozens, if not 100's, of "MTs" in the exact community/employment area he grew up in): He was/is tired of white men being in control of black men/women (the life opportunities for black men are controlled by white men via the largest employer there, and his family and friends have lived it). He wants to be a father figure/mentor to young, underprivileged, inner-city black men and "rise them up", and wants other "strong" black men to join/help him in he process.

In today's world, if he was a white man and had those feelings (and acted on them), he would be labeled a racist, I'm pretty sure. It's for each person to decide, I guess. Regarding decisions for our Steelers, I'd prefer to not bring race into the equation at all, but MT (and Deuce favoring minorities) has obviously certainly done so.
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Here's a picture of Art II at last night's game:

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[Josey Wales]

Two Alarming Steelers Trends after Patriots Loss

PITTSBURGH — The Steelers fell shot to another two-win team in their 21-18 loss to the New England Patriots on Thursday. It was a loss that underlined many areas they struggled against the Cardinals. But two areas, the most basic areas on offense and defense in particular, stood above the rest...

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[Pens x]

Interesting YT comments/discussion about race playing a factor in Tomlin's continued employment



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It's funny. The media used to mock and belittle Jeff Fisher for mediocrity, but love Tomlin for it. Is 8-8 or 9-8 really that much better than 7-9 or 8-9?

**********************
Don't know what I'd call him, but I do know this for sure (having talked to many dozens, if not 100's, of "MTs" in the exact community/employment area he grew up in): He was/is tired of white men being in control of black men/women (the life opportunities for black men are controlled by white men via the largest employer there, and his family and friends have lived it). He wants to be a father figure/mentor to young, underprivileged, inner-city black men and "rise them up", and wants other "strong" black men to join/help him in he process.

In today's world, if he was a white man and had those feelings (and acted on them), he would be labeled a racist, I'm pretty sure. It's for each person to decide, I guess. Regarding decisions for our Steelers, I'd prefer to not bring race into the equation at all, but MT (and Deuce favoring minorities) has obviously certainly done so.
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I know no one wants to talk about race, but I think we can all agree he would have been canned years ago if he was a white dude. He should have been canned after losing to Tebow. It’s hysterical (for fans of other teams) he wasnt fired after the Jaguar’s and Browns games.

 

[Peat]

See, I don’t think he’s talented enough for the headache. Tomlin sucks but throwing fits about not getting the ball enough isn’t going to go away with a more strict coach.

I honestly feel like Pickens isn’t a great route runner and struggles to get open. He’s fantastic at winning battles in 1 on 1 balls but I don’t think the rest of his skill set is on par with that.

Pickens has a stupid amount of natural talent. Yeah his route running is very raw, but you can coach that. Coaching his hands, build, speed, and competitiveness are far harder.

I would rather the Steelers coached him up and got him the ball enough to keep him happy than cut bait. A coaching team that can't succeed at the former is never going to get it done. And yeah, maybe that's where we're at, but I would rather keep Pickens and grind the point home in the hope of seeing change.

There’s a lot you can type about Tomlin but the truth is this shouldn’t be a boiling point. It’s been the same shit for a decade. Now I’m glad it’s catching on more, both nationally and locally, but that game changed zero about my attitude towards this team. Blind leading the blind.

I feel disheartened for the competitors like Watt, Minkah, Pickett, etc who do seem like they want to win. But this is nothing new at all.

I dunno. Maybe the process isn't new. But the results are new, or close to it. First time a .500 team has lost to two 2-10 teams back to back. Choking away a more or less guaranteed playoff. I think this is a deserved boiling point. I know a lot of people think he's been underperforming for ages, but this is about as stark as you can make it.

If that's true, then for his teams to show up as unprepared, unfocused, unserious, and taking the opponent lightly as often as they do, that he is unprepared, unfocused, unserious, and taking the opponent lightly. Doesn't sound like a leader of men to me.


Watt is at worst the 3rd best defensive player in the NFL. At worst.

I get the distinction. I remember when I did cadets, they talked about the difference between a leader and a manager and how they were two separate things that came together in a commander. A leader of men doesn't have to be serious or well prepared - a manager does, but a leader doesn't. He simply needs the confidence and charisma to persuade people to follow him.

Whether he leads them anywhere good is besides the point.

 

[gopens66]

Cowherd has been and is the only national media guy criticizing or being honest about Tomlin. I think it was around week 5 or 6, but the ESPN commentators praising Tomlin up and down as the greatest coach ever for several minutes. Then, they started trashing Mike McCarthy saying he's only 8-9 in the playoffs since winning "his only Superbowl". Take a look at Tomlin's record since that same Superbowl. You know, the he lost to McCarthy...

 

[Peat]

Our 2nd and 3rd corners are Levi Wallace and a 34 year old. We have one safety.

The Steelers are not that talented. Even TJ Watt is showing why Garrett is clearly superior.

Wallace and Kazee are capable of playing well if coached and supported well. They're not incapable of success. I dunno about saying this team should be a top 5 defence with them, but they should still be good.

Running out of ILBs and the Box Safety was a real kick in the teeth that makes the idea of them being a top 5 defence implausible for the time being, but you'd like to believe smarter coaches could get better answers there.

 

[pistolpete11]

I get the distinction. I remember when I did cadets, they talked about the difference between a leader and a manager and how they were two separate things that came together in a commander. A leader of men doesn't have to be serious or well prepared - a manager does, but a leader doesn't. He simply needs the confidence and charisma to persuade people to follow him.

Whether he leads them anywhere good is besides the point.

Haha fair enough.

Either way, it's not a football coach I want.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I know no one wants to talk about race, but I think we can all agree he would have been canned years ago if he was a white dude. He should have been canned after losing to Tebow. It’s hysterical (for fans of other teams) he wasnt fired after the Jaguar’s and Browns games.

I don’t see race having anything to do with it.

Noll was kept around about 10+ years past his expiration date.

Cowher was kept around even when he went through a shitty three year span that would have gotten other coaches fired.

It’s just the “Steeler Way” not to fire their head coach, white or black.

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

They are. No one is living up to their contract currently, but these guys are good football players.

This defense should be a top 5 unit.

There are a bunch of people outside the organization that say we are talented too... (Talent does not mean good team)

We have talented individuals but football is a legit TEAM game. We do not have a good team on Offense or Defense. It might be talent mix too but our coaching is absolute dog shit. Start cleaning house at the top then move your way down to players.

FYI... a lot of people on this board have said our OL was shit. I'm tired of doing others research but just look up Dotson... he's now one of the highest rated IL this year... or look up the stats on the guy we sent to Houston before he was hurt.

I'm positive of one thing... we have a shitty coaching staff.

 

[pistolpete11]

Here we are, 5 years later

And Bradshaw a year before that.

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

I don’t see race having anything to do with it.

Noll was kept around about 10+ years past his expiration date.

Cowher was kept around even when he went through a shitty three year span that would have gotten other coaches fired.

It’s just the “Steeler Way” not to fire their head coach, white or black.

Yeah, this has nothing to do with race. Totally, the Steeler way... remember those late gem OC for Noll. Holy shit... they remind me of...

Cowher (had those horrible family issues) and he knew the fire was gone and got out... good for him. If Cowher would have stayed... I bet it would have been years of up and down performances too. You have to be dialed in and on to be a NFL Head Coach.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I don’t see race having anything to do with it.

Noll was kept around about 10+ years past his expiration date.

Cowher was kept around even when he went through a shitty three year span that would have gotten other coaches fired.

It’s just the “Steeler Way” not to fire their head coach, white or black.

I agree about 95%. But things are never simply this or that. They always have layers.

The Rooneys are very proud, rightly, of the Rooney Rule, etc. Race is meaningless in this. Ronney's ego is certainly a part. To that extent it might play a small role.

 

[MrBrightside]

Steelers Need Change. Is Firing Mike Tomlin the Answer?

PITTSBURGH — For the first half of the 2023 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers did a pretty good job of maximizing the team’s ability. The Steelers weren’t playing dominant overall football, but they were winning games thanks to a specific formula. The Steelers didn’t turn the ball over on offense...

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[Pengwins]

Tomlin gotta go

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I agree about 95%. But things are never simply this or that. They always have layers.

The Rooneys are very proud, rightly, of the Rooney Rule, etc. Race is meaningless in this. Ronney's ego is certainly a part. To that extent it might play a small role.

I’m sure there may also be some hesitation to fire him if they feel he’s a role model for the black community or fear of some kind of blowback for kicking his ass to the curb.

Can’t rule out anything because I’m not AR2, can just look at facts and past history with their tradition of never firing coaches.

Besides they will go like 2-2 or 3-1 down the stretch and as usual convince AR2 things are on the right track.

 

[TimmyD]

I don’t see race having anything to do with it.

Noll was kept around about 10+ years past his expiration date.

Cowher was kept around even when he went through a shitty three year span that would have gotten other coaches fired.

It’s just the “Steeler Way” not to fire their head coach, white or black.

I don’t believe race plays a role in the Steelers keeping him. I do however believe that race is a little bit of a factor in why national media is very hesitant to criticize him

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I’m sure there may also be some hesitation to fire him if they feel he’s a role model for the black community or fear of some kind of blowback for kicking his ass to the curb.

Can’t rule out anything because I’m not AR2, can just look at facts and past history with their tradition of never firing coaches.

Besides they will go like 2-2 or 3-1 down the stretch and as usual convince AR2 things are on the right track.

I certainly agree with that. It is an academic debate like how many angels can dance on a pinhead. We will answer that one before the Steelers fire Tomlin.

I was simply saying that the Rooneys have shown in the past that their rep is a big deal to them and that could play a role, albeit a secondary role.