OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Blamed Canada

[The Old Master]

The real quagmire is going to be if Rudolph plays well on Saturday and they win but don't make the playoffs. The offseason will be a shitshow if that's the closing note on the year.

that could be my dream come true.

 

[T1K]

Baltimore's back-ups could well make for a better defence than either of the last two we've played tbh.

Nope, but it’s a nice narrative for Pickett apologists to latch onto

 

[JTG]

I think Mason already did everything he needed to do to get a job somewhere else next year. Unless he really enjoys Pittsburgh, they give him a raise, and he gets a shot to compete. I do not think they will give him a shot to complete, and they will tell him that they are rolling with Kenny at QB1.

Nope, but it’s a nice narrative for Pickett apologists to latch onto

There's some truth to that actually.

Kenny's not even playing. Settle the f*** down.

 

[T1K]

I think Mason already did everything he needed to do to get a job somewhere else next year. Unless he really enjoys Pittsburgh, they give him a raise, and he gets a shot to compete. I do not think they will give him a shot to complete, and they will tell him that they are rolling with Kenny at QB1.



There's some truth to that actually.

Kenny's not even playing. Settle the f*** down.

You guys are trying to suggest a backup Defense who has no incentive to win is going to give us meaningful information about either of these QBs? I don’t buy that at all

Let’s see some stats to backup the claim that Baltimore’s backups are better than Cincy and Seattle’s starters. Laughable suggestion

 

[ChaosAgent]

I think Mason already did everything he needed to do to get a job somewhere else next year. Unless he really enjoys Pittsburgh, they give him a raise, and he gets a shot to compete. I do not think they will give him a shot to complete, and they will tell him that they are rolling with Kenny at QB1.



There's some truth to that actually.

Kenny's not even playing. Settle the f*** down.

Mason is not finding a better potential starting situation than this one. The only risk for him is us drafting a new 1st round QB. Unless he plays terrible on Saturday he will have every chance to win the job over Pickett next year.

 

[JTG]

You guys are trying to suggest a backup Defense who has no incentive to win is going to give us meaningful information about either of these QBs? I don’t buy that at all

Let’s see some stats to backup the claim that Baltimore’s backups are better than Cincy and Seattle’s starters. Laughable suggestion

Not suggesting that at all. You're just so wrapped up about who is defending Kenny Pickett that you're spinning narratives now.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm at the point of just wanting to move on from Pickett as a starter just so I can stop reading the insane arguments regarding the QB position. I've seen Steelers fans on Reddit say that Rudolph looks like 30 year old Ben and he's a legitimate QB1

Trade Pickett in the Kyler Murray deal and make Murray the new QB1. He has the exact kind of mobility Tomlin wants in his QB, while also being a damn solid QB himself. I think Arizona would have to eat the bonus money in any deal they'd send him out, so he'd likely only be coming in at around $30 million a year cap hit.

 

[T1K]

Not suggesting that at all. You're just so wrapped up about who is defending Kenny Pickett that you're spinning narratives now.

I don’t care who is defending Pickett, I’m just calling it as I see it. The point I was trying to emphasize is that either QB beating down on a backup defense doesn’t give us anything meaningful to go off of for next year. Matt Flynn balled out in the last game of the season years ago, got paid starter money, and then didn’t even win the starting QB job the next year.

 

[JTG]

This has honestly been one of the worst football seasons I have experienced in my life. The entire league blows.

I watched an interview with Arch Manning and how he speaks and handles himself is eerily like Sid. I just think the league is in a weird spot right now, and the stuff happening with NIL deals and things like that, I think you will see more kids begin to opt to go back to college which thins drafts out. I think there is a new generation of QB coming to the NFL very soon that will be ushering in a new regime. It's been some meh years for QBs.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

It’s not a “rumor”. It’s 100% true. At least 5 reporters have basically said as much.

5 guys who probably have a agenda like you do. I am all for Rudolph to keep starting. KP needs to work on many things. I just have issues with attacking a kids character. It’s a pretty scummy thing to do

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I'm at the point of just wanting to move on from Pickett as a starter just so I can stop reading the insane arguments regarding the QB position. I've seen Steelers fans on Reddit say that Rudolph looks like 30 year old Ben and he's a legitimate QB1

Trade Pickett in the Kyler Murray deal and make Murray the new QB1. He has the exact kind of mobility Tomlin wants in his QB, while also being a damn solid QB himself. I think Arizona would have to eat the bonus money in any deal they'd send him out, so he'd likely only be coming in at around $30 million a year cap hit.

Murray's contract is already guaranteed for 2024 at 37 million. And on March 22nd, his 2025 salary and roster bonus is guaranteed at 29.9 mil. Thus whoever trades for him is signing up for 2 years and 67 million before he even plays a game. And his following year's salary is guaranteed in March of every year.

If he was a free agent, he would get at least a 3 year deal and the same kind of guarantees. Carr's contract is 4 years/150 mil and 60 mil of it is 100% guaranteed.

All that being said, I think anyone who trades for Murray will have him rework his contract as part of the deal.

 

[Peat]

I'm at the point of just wanting to move on from Pickett as a starter just so I can stop reading the insane arguments regarding the QB position. I've seen Steelers fans on Reddit say that Rudolph looks like 30 year old Ben and he's a legitimate QB1

Trade Pickett in the Kyler Murray deal and make Murray the new QB1. He has the exact kind of mobility Tomlin wants in his QB, while also being a damn solid QB himself. I think Arizona would have to eat the bonus money in any deal they'd send him out, so he'd likely only be coming in at around $30 million a year cap hit.

If Arizona are trading Murray, it's because they're selecting one of Maye and Williams and don't need Pickett, no?

You guys are trying to suggest a backup Defense who has no incentive to win is going to give us meaningful information about either of these QBs? I don’t buy that at all

Let’s see some stats to backup the claim that Baltimore’s backups are better than Cincy and Seattle’s starters. Laughable suggestion

Seattle have the worst running defence in the league over the last 10 games. They were missing at least 4 starters most snaps thanks to Witherspoon being limited. They were playing Devin Bush for 90% of their snaps.

Plus everyone could see they looked like actual crap.

Ravens back-ups playing for nothing but pride and the rivalry? Honestly think that might be 50-50 to be better than Seattle.

Don't really get why pointing out the extreme softness of the defences the Steelers have done well against bothers so many people tbh.

And it's not Pickett apologism because the offence tore up the Bengals too. If I wanted to pump up Pickett's tires, I wouldn't be talking shit on the Bengals. But the most likely explanation for an offence that couldn't put up 400 yards for 50 games suddenly putting up 400 yards back to back on a team is that team is shit.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Arizona are trading Murray, it's because they're selecting one of Maye and Williams and don't need Pickett, no?

I think he'd be used as a stopgap/mentor type for those guys rather than throwing them directly into the fire. With that being said, I'd have no issues at all with keeping Pickett as a backup in that case.

I think you could probably get him for just the Steelers 1st rounder without much more being added.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

They very well might. I could see some dumb GM offering up a high draft pick based on 2 or 3 good games for Rudolph So many teams need a QB. I would not be surprised if KP is the only QB kept from this years team going into next season.

 

[Peat]

I think he'd be used as a stopgap/mentor type for those guys rather than throwing them directly into the fire. With that being said, I'd have no issues at all with keeping Pickett as a backup in that case.

I think you could probably get him for just the Steelers 1st rounder without much more being added.

Guys taken that high pretty much always start though.

We'll see but the last I saw was Arizona want to build around Murray and will take Harrison Jr. It was a while ago but I doubt that what they are seeing would be changing their mind. And I think that if he was available, someone would make a stupid offer, particularly after that Eagles game.

 

[WickedWrister]

More importantly…

 

[Pens1566]

Pennix with his injury concerns is being mocked in low 20s high 30s

I could see that from a team that is really desperate for a QB that they'd swing for the fences like that.
I wouldn't touch him that high for this team though. I'd also rather have Nix, but that's personal preference.

 

[ChaosAgent]

5 guys who probably have a agenda like you do. I am all for Rudolph to keep starting. KP needs to work on many things. I just have issues with attacking a kids character. It’s a pretty scummy thing to do

But remember, the likes of Mark Kaboly and Chris Mack are "big time in this town." And then the poster makes fun of grocery store baggers, who are at least a net positive to the world unlike himself.

I like Rudolph a lot more than Pickett, but Rossi Rat is a sad person.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I could see that from a team that is really desperate for a QB that they'd swing for the fences like that.
I wouldn't touch him that high for this team though. I'd also rather have Nix, but that's personal preference.

Yes. I think Nix is a bronco he is Brees with more mobility. Guys like JJ Ewers(if he declares and Penix are the 2nd wave
Its Maye Williams and Daniels are locks for the top 10
If your looking at 2nd round Ward Travis

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Guys taken that high pretty much always start though.

We'll see but the last I saw was Arizona want to build around Murray and will take Harrison Jr. It was a while ago but I doubt that what they are seeing would be changing their mind. And I think that if he was available, someone would make a stupid offer, particularly after that Eagles game.

Kyle isnt going anywhere I do think they take MHJ though I could see a slight trade down with the giants who take Daniel and then another trade back with the jets who take LT the cards take naperd from lsu at 8

 

[Peat]

But remember, the likes of Mark Kaboly and Chris Mack are "big time in this town." And then the poster makes fun of grocery store baggers, who are at least a net positive to the world unlike himself.

I like Rudolph a lot more than Pickett, but Rossi Rat is a sad person.

I almost find him strangely impressive in that I've never seen someone try to troll harder on an agenda nobody cares about or respects.

 

[T1K]

If Arizona are trading Murray, it's because they're selecting one of Maye and Williams and don't need Pickett, no?



Seattle have the worst running defence in the league over the last 10 games. They were missing at least 4 starters most snaps thanks to Witherspoon being limited. They were playing Devin Bush for 90% of their snaps.

Plus everyone could see they looked like actual crap.

Ravens back-ups playing for nothing but pride and the rivalry? Honestly think that might be 50-50 to be better than Seattle.

Don't really get why pointing out the extreme softness of the defences the Steelers have done well against bothers so many people tbh.

And it's not Pickett apologism because the offence tore up the Bengals too. If I wanted to pump up Pickett's tires, I wouldn't be talking shit on the Bengals. But the most likely explanation for an offence that couldn't put up 400 yards for 50 games suddenly putting up 400 yards back to back on a team is that team is shit.

My pushback to Jaded’s original comment was that we would gain new information with a Pickett start against Baltimore’s backups. I disagree with that for the reasons I outlined in my other posts. Your comments about the last two defenses we’ve played are valid, but I don’t think it’s apples-apples to compare a starting defense vs a backup unit that we haven’t seen yet.

Ultimately I think we’re going to see a camp battle with Pickett and Rudolph/vet free agent to determine the 2024 starter. Barring a complete implosion from Rudolph in week 18.

But remember, the likes of Mark Kaboly and Chris Mack are "big time in this town." And then the poster makes fun of grocery store baggers, who are at least a net positive to the world unlike himself.

I like Rudolph a lot more than Pickett, but Rossi Rat is a sad person.

I like how he tried to slip in a humble brag about being golf buddies with Gerry Dulac

 

[JTG]

Yes. I think Nix is a bronco he is Brees with more mobility. Guys like JJ Ewers(if he declares and Penix are the 2nd wave
Its Maye Williams and Daniels are locks for the top 10
If your looking at 2nd round Ward Travis

I want to like Williams, but I am not sold on him. Super talent, but I think if you're really this unbelievable prospect, you can will your team to victory. Vince Young is still the best college football player I've ever seen. Williams is like Lawrence to me.

Maye is in that Roethlisberger/Allen mold. You're going to get the good with the bad. He'd benefit greatly (much like Ben at the same age) to live to fight another day rather than making a mess a complete disaster by getting killed or throwing a ball that had no business leaving his hand.

I think Daniels could be the best of the bunch. I think all 3 will be at least plus starters in the NFL with potential to be a ridiculous generational class of QBs...and by winning two meaningless games we completely pulled ourselves out of the running for any of them.

 

[Pens x]

They need to dump Kenny. I dont want him on the roster next year - the organization will piss away another season dying on the Kennny P hill.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Caleb Williams is so like the Quarterback in the Kevin Costner NFL draft movie. Character questions everywhere.

I want to like Williams, but I am not sold on him. Super talent, but I think if you're really this unbelievable prospect, you can will your team to victory. Vince Young is still the best college football player I've ever seen. Williams is like Lawrence to me.

Maye is in that Roethlisberger/Allen mold. You're going to get the good with the bad. He'd benefit greatly (much like Ben at the same age) to live to fight another day rather than making a mess a complete disaster by getting killed or throwing a ball that had no business leaving his hand.

I think Daniels could be the best of the bunch. I think all 3 will be at least plus starters in the NFL with potential to be a ridiculous generational class of QBs...and by winning two meaningless games we completely pulled ourselves out of the running for any of them.

If we are willing to package the 2024 1st or TJ, we could get Daniels at least. IMO.