OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Blamed Canada

[MrBrightside]

I could go on but there is a LOT of this coming from people who have "Pitt" in their Twitter bios.

Anyway, I think this is probably the most plausible explanation for what happened:

 

[ChaosAgent]

There are millions of Steelers fans and tons of them post online. If you collect tens of thousands of opinions you can find plenty "shitting on Kenny" or "shitting on Mason" or can make any point you want about "what everybody does."

I thought everyone understood this about the internet, but apparently there are some that do not.

 

[MrBrightside]

There are millions of Steelers fans and tons of them post online. If you collect tens of thousands of opinions you can find plenty "shitting on Kenny" or "shitting on Mason" or can make any point you want about "what everybody does."

I thought everyone understood this about the internet, but apparently there are some that do not.

Good point. Look long enough you find people who post on message boards that the Steelers should trade TJ Watt to move up a few spots in the 1st round. Pretty crazy things out there.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Good point. Look long enough you find people who post on message boards that the Steelers should trade TJ Watt to move up a few spots in the 1st round. Pretty crazy things out there.

It's a great point, missed by people who would rather die than be happy about anything.

 

[MrBrightside]

Assuming that pretty much everyone on this list plus Lamar is out on Saturday.

It's a great point, missed by people who would rather die than be happy about anything.

I mean, there are indeed a lot of miserable people around on this board but I'm not really sure how someone thinking the Steelers will not and should not trade their best player to move up a few spots in the draft correlates with preferring death than happiness. Perhaps you can explain the connection.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Assuming that pretty much everyone on this list plus Lamar is out on Saturday.




I mean, there are indeed a lot of miserable people around on this board but I'm not really sure how someone thinking the Steelers will not and should not trade their best player to move up a few spots in the draft correlates with preferring death than happiness. Perhaps you can explain the connection.

Oh no, I was just doubling down on how good my point was. You and Empo can keep back and forthing your "everyone hates Kenny" "every Pitt person will defend Kenny to the death" as opposed to actually arguing the merits of the pont whenever you are ready.

 

[MrBrightside]

Oh no, I was just doubling down on how good my point was. You and Empo can keep back and forthing your "everyone hates Kenny" "every Pitt person will defend Kenny to the death" as opposed to actually arguing the merits of the pont whenever you are ready.

Eh, it was just a couple of passing tweets while sitting in airport waiting on a flight, but nevertheless, while your confidence is admirable, the point is not. First and foremost, the only QB you'd even consider trading a Watt for is Caleb or maybe May, and no one is trading a top 2 pick for 1st round swap that moves back 15-20 places and a 30-year-old player. Second, there's just no chance in the world that it would happen even if you think it should, as the Steelers are not in a window where trading a veteran for a rookie makes any sense.

 

[wheelz87]

People who care where kids go to college and choose to cheer for them based off that are...
Listen, PSU should burn. But I love Pat, cheer on JPJ. Recognize Parsons as a stud. (I know thats irrelevant here)
Rudolph has played a couple good games against a couple crap teams. And he's won them and looked solid. Good for him. And he absolutely deserves to start the finale. (and theres OK ST people right now saying SEEEE). But the team needs to build actual talent around either of them to truly see if either is worth a damn. Because our o-line is trash, regardless of what they showed this past week. And we have overrated 'weapons' ala Diontae. Need an upgrade at slot receiver too. And I still have zero trust in Pickens.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Assuming that pretty much everyone on this list plus Lamar is out on Saturday.




I mean, there are indeed a lot of miserable people around on this board but I'm not really sure how someone thinking the Steelers will not and should not trade their best player to move up a few spots in the draft correlates with preferring death than happiness. Perhaps you can explain the connection.

I don’t know lamar wants to play a few series he keeps referencing the 2019 loss to the titans when they were the 1st seed and lost after resting everyone against us week 18

 

[Empoleon8771]

Oh no, I was just doubling down on how good my point was. You and Empo can keep back and forthing your "everyone hates Kenny" "every Pitt person will defend Kenny to the death" as opposed to actually arguing the merits of the pont whenever you are ready.

I'm not even doing that here. I think it's silly to use Mason playing well as a justification to say Pickett sucks, but that's as far as I've gone.

I feel like the only people in here who even mention Pitt are non-Pitt fans who are taking shots at Pitt or Steelers fans for being "Pitt fans". Even though they simultaneously joke that Pitt has no fans. Kinda like Schroedinger's Pitt Fans, they simultaneously don't exist but are also abundant and have stupid opinions

How many Steelers fans shit on Freiermuth because he went to PSU and say that fans aren't critical enough of him because he went to PSU? Literally no one, every Steelers fan (even non-PSU fans) love Freiermuth.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Eh, it was just a couple of passing tweets while sitting in airport waiting on a flight, but nevertheless, while your confidence is admirable, the point is not. First and foremost, the only QB you'd even consider trading a Watt for is Caleb or maybe May, and no one is trading a top 2 pick for 1st round swap that moves back 15-20 places and a 30-year-old player. Second, there's just no chance in the world that it would happen even if you think it should, as the Steelers are not in a window where trading a veteran for a rookie makes any sense.

I was not addressing trading Watt, but it is something I would consider. He is about to be on the wrong side of 30 and eats up a ton of cap. He has had many injury issues. If you even look elsewhere on the team to Patrick Peterson you see how swiftly decline can come. For that matter, look at Watt's brother.

Regardless, I would like to see more arguments for why people are pro-Kenny, anti-Kenny, pro-Mason or anti-Mason. And less about "what everyone else says." Pretty sure I've seen online polls that are very pro-Mason at this point. Those are more indicative of what most people believe than a collection of 5 tweets.

 

[MrBrightside]

I'm not even doing that here. I think it's silly to use Mason playing well as a justification to say Pickett sucks, but that's as far as I've gone.

I feel like the only people in here who even mention Pitt are non-Pitt fans who are taking shots at Pitt or Steelers fans for being "Pitt fans". Even though they simultaneously joke that Pitt has no fans. Kinda like Schroedinger's Pitt Fans, they simultaneously don't exist but are also abundant and have stupid opinions

How many Steelers fans shit on Freiermuth because he went to PSU and say that fans aren't critical enough of him because he went to PSU? Literally no one, every Steelers fan (even non-PSU fans) love Freiermuth.

The thing is, I'm not a Pitt or Penn State fan. I truly don't care about either, and I really don't care about how NFL players who went to my college fare in the NFL and I'm truly baffled how invested many Pitt fans seem to be in Pickett being a legitimate NFL QB. I don't care where Pickett went to college and I have no allegiance to or animosity against Pitt. I just wish Pickett had gone to Idaho or something so people would stop grading him favorably (or unfavorably) because he went to Pitt.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think what they'll do is go into next year with Pickett as the "starter" but they'll go very quickly to Rudolph if Pickett doesn't play well. They'll give Pickett a chance now that Canada is gone but have him on an incredibly short leash because of what Rudolph showed. This could even be as short of a leash as Pickett losing out the starter's role in the pre-season if Rudolph outplays him. I think that's both the move they'll do and the move that makes the most sense.

I do find it kinda annoying that Steelers fans are turning Rudolph's strong performances into shitting on Pickett, though. Especially considering Pickett's performance in his only full game against the Bengals after Canada was fired (24/33 with 278 passing yards and 421 total yards) was well in line with what Rudolph did against the Seahawks (18/24 with 274 passing yards and 468 total yards). I don't particularly view him as the QB of the future anymore though, so I'm not particularly in a spot where I care enough to argue against those people.

Yinzers ALWAYS turn on Steeler QBs.

They were literally booing Rudolph this summer and now he’s their savior.

I had to argue with moron Yinzers that Rudolph wasn’t the worst QB in the league just a couple of years ago, now in bizarro Yinzer world I have to point out Rudolph isn’t their savior.

Yinzers gonna yinz.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I'm not even doing that here. I think it's silly to use Mason playing well as a justification to say Pickett sucks, but that's as far as I've gone.

I feel like the only people in here who even mention Pitt are non-Pitt fans who are taking shots at Pitt or Steelers fans for being "Pitt fans". Even though they simultaneously joke that Pitt has no fans. Kinda like Schroedinger's Pitt Fans, they simultaneously don't exist but are also abundant and have stupid opinions

How many Steelers fans shit on Freiermuth because he went to PSU and say that fans aren't critical enough of him because he went to PSU? Literally no one, every Steelers fan (even non-PSU fans) love Freiermuth.

I think Kenny is a backup QB, as most late 1st rounders-3rd rounders end up being. For that matter, so is Rudolph.

Drafting Kenny looks pretty bad at this point and him going to Pitt was absolutely a factor in the pick. As a 2nd-3rd rounder? Appropriate.

Since you brought him up, I am also not over the moon on Freiermuth anymore. He is good but also the TE position is so stacked league-wide. Every game we are going up against some beast TE. Freiermuth is an above average pass catcher but not a great run blocker, doesn't get open that easily and has no great YAC ability.

Finally, for clarification I did not go to college in or near Pittsburgh. Since that matters apparently.

 

[Peat]

I was not addressing trading Watt, but it is something I would consider. He is about to be on the wrong side of 30 and eats up a ton of cap. He has had many injury issues. If you even look elsewhere on the team to Patrick Peterson you see how swiftly decline can come. For that matter, look at Watt's brother.

To riff on this - the odds of this team making serious noise before Watt is done is pretty low.

So if the idea is make serious noise, you've kind of got to consider it.

I get anyone who doesn't want to trade Watt. I don't want to. But that's kind of emotional. It's a hell of a lot of fun to watch him go. Remove the emotion and the choice between trying to stay competitive and hope for something big to happen quick a little out of nowhere vs tearing some stuff down seems a hard one.

 

[Pens1566]

KP doesn't suck because Rudolph has had a few good games. KP sucks because he's a bad NFL QB that hasn't demonstrated anything that justifies any of the hype or his draft position.

We're not even having this conversation if he'd gone to say ... Georgia Tech in college.

 

[MrBrightside]

I don’t know lamar wants to play a few series he keeps referencing the 2019 loss to the titans when they were the 1st seed and lost after resting everyone against us week 18

After ending the last two seasons with injuries and with nothing to play for at all this weekend, playing Lamar would be utter malpractice.

 

[MrBrightside]

To riff on this - the odds of this team making serious noise before Watt is done is pretty low.

So if the idea is make serious noise, you've kind of got to consider it.

I get anyone who doesn't want to trade Watt. I don't want to. But that's kind of emotional. It's a hell of a lot of fun to watch him go. Remove the emotion and the choice between trying to stay competitive and hope for something big to happen quick a little out of nowhere vs tearing some stuff down seems a hard one.

I don't know about that. They aren't really any different than where Baltimore or Cleveland have been the last few years. Watt is hardly in a Heyward situation where he's got maybe one productive year left - Watt has 3-5 years left barring another major injury.

It's all academic anyway. They aren't going to trade him.

 

[Peat]

I don't know about that. They aren't really any different than where Baltimore or Cleveland have been the last few years. Watt is hardly in a Heyward situation where he's got maybe one productive year left - Watt has 3-5 years left barring another major injury.

It's all academic anyway. They aren't going to trade him.

Agreed it's all academic.

I think the Steelers' current situation is in between where Baltimore and Cleveland were a couple of years ago. Better than Detroit too, to pick another example of a quick turn around.

But then I don't know Cleveland and Detroit are going to have sustained post-season success, which is what I'd consider serious noise.

This iteration of the Steelers needs to solve its offensive woes and it needs to do something about its secondary. I get that it could take literally just one great off-season. I just question how likely that is. Particularly when there's question marks over the coaching.

 

[WickedWrister]

I wanted to see about a 20 game sample size before I drew any meaningful conclusions regarding Pickett. Yeah, this kind of felt like a lame duck year with Canada as OC and we only got a 1 game look at Kenny without him. Still, the body of work has him as like a bottom 5 starter in the league and we were winning games in spite of the offense.

At this point we should absolutely kick the tires on any and all QB's available (draft + FA). Some of these guys won't be available but: Kyler Murray, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, Baker Mayfield .

Little early for draft szn but Maye, Williams, and Jayden Daniels surely go before we pick. We'd probably have to trade up a few picks for a guy like Michael Penix Jr. if he continues to look good en route to the Natty.

There should be some tier 2 QB's or guys with medical issues like Jordan Travis, Bo Nix, Quinn Ewers (probably returning to Texas), JJ McCarthy that fall into the 2nd round if we don't go QB in round 1.

 

[Empoleon8771]

KP doesn't suck because Rudolph has had a few good games. KP sucks because he's a bad NFL QB that hasn't demonstrated anything that justifies any of the hype or his draft position.

We're not even having this conversation if he'd gone to say ... Georgia Tech in college.

What kind of "hype" was around him? Even the most optimistic evaluations of him said his upside was more "system QB" type of guy.

Being drafted as a late 1st rounder due to a bad QB class along with a connection to a NFL team doesn't scream "major hype" to me. He was compared to Alex Smith prior to being drafted, not Patrick Mahomes.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Speaking of the QBs, NFL Network radio was just coincidentally talking about the Steelers QB situation, specifically regarding the difference in playstyle between Rudolph (vertical down-field passer) and Trubisky/Pickett (running QB). It was mostly in the context of how Rudolph is working really well because he fits the style of QB that this Steelers team needs, but there were also some talks about how they've schemed their offense with Pickett and Trubisky at QB that I agree with. The Steelers don't incorporate many QB runs, play-action passes or option plays in their offense, which kinda defeats the purpose of having those mobile QBs.

Looking back on Trubisky's stats with Chicago, he did put up a decent amount of rushing yards on those Chicago teams (20.7 yards/game and 2 rushing TDs per season essentially). With the Steelers, he only had about a third of that. Pickett is the same way, he's only at 11.6 yards/game rushing with the Steelers. Obviously neither of these guys are going to be Lamar Jackson while running the QB, but not tailoring the offense to be around a mobile QB seems to defeat the purpose of adding a mobile QB.

With all of that being said, I hate the idea of building around a mobile QB unless your QB is like freakishly athletic. Even with Jackson, the offense that Baltimore runs is super unique and it requires him to have the athleticism of a top RB to work. Just go get a pure pocket passer, I don't care if he's literally immobile if he can identify open targets before getting sacked. I think Levis and Pickett are probably roughly equally as talented QBs, but I'd take Levis at this point solely because I want a pocket passer over a scrambler.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I could go on but there is a LOT of this coming from people who have "Pitt" in their Twitter bios.

Anyway, I think this is probably the most plausible explanation for what happened:

Where was this outrage when Mason was getting f***ed over?

When that fat f*** of a slob Ben Turdlisberger was talking shit about why is Mason here if Mitch is signed, he’s not needed etc, no one said shit.

Now a QB they originally drafted to be someone to take over for Ben is getting his shot and thriving and people are pissed some doofus that had 2yrs to prove he was the legit future of Steelers QB and faltered is getting every excuse in the book and suddenly the development is in question.

Yet, not a single peep about how much they f***ed Mason over and yet he’s here, thriving because he kept working hard.

 

[Peat]

Speaking of the QBs, NFL Network radio was just coincidentally talking about the Steelers QB situation, specifically regarding the difference in playstyle between Rudolph (vertical down-field passer) and Trubisky/Pickett (running QB). It was mostly in the context of how Rudolph is working really well because he fits the style of QB that this Steelers team needs, but there were also some talks about how they've schemed their offense with Pickett and Trubisky at QB that I agree with. The Steelers don't incorporate many QB runs, play-action passes or option plays in their offense, which kinda defeats the purpose of having those mobile QBs.

Looking back on Trubisky's stats with Chicago, he did put up a decent amount of rushing yards on those Chicago teams (20.7 yards/game and 2 rushing TDs per season essentially). With the Steelers, he only had about a third of that. Pickett is the same way, he's only at 11.6 yards/game rushing with the Steelers. Obviously neither of these guys are going to be Lamar Jackson while running the QB, but not tailoring the offense to be around a mobile QB seems to defeat the purpose of adding a mobile QB.

With all of that being said, I hate the idea of building around a mobile QB unless your QB is like freakishly athletic. Even with Jackson, the offense that Baltimore runs is super unique and it requires him to have the athleticism of a top RB to work. Just go get a pure pocket passer, I don't care if he's literally immobile if he can identify open targets before getting sacked. I think Levis and Pickett are probably roughly equally as talented QBs, but I'd take Levis at this point solely because I want a pocket passer over a scrambler.

But Trubisky has a big arm and loves to sling it. We were all screaming at him for slinging it on a 3rd and short. I get talking about it with Pickett, who has average arm strength and has been playing conservatively, but Trubisky? Surely if it was just about style, Trubisky would have worked out great?

Obviously there's always more to it than just style. But this idea Trubisky is a running QB... well, you've already posted how he isn't that here. Hell, his numbers aren't dramatic at Chicago either. You compare him a guy like Hurts or Allen - not even super fast guys like Jackson - and it's not much.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Speaking of the QBs, NFL Network radio was just coincidentally talking about the Steelers QB situation, specifically regarding the difference in playstyle between Rudolph (vertical down-field passer) and Trubisky/Pickett (running QB). It was mostly in the context of how Rudolph is working really well because he fits the style of QB that this Steelers team needs, but there were also some talks about how they've schemed their offense with Pickett and Trubisky at QB that I agree with. The Steelers don't incorporate many QB runs, play-action passes or option plays in their offense, which kinda defeats the purpose of having those mobile QBs.

Looking back on Trubisky's stats with Chicago, he did put up a decent amount of rushing yards on those Chicago teams (20.7 yards/game and 2 rushing TDs per season essentially). With the Steelers, he only had about a third of that. Pickett is the same way, he's only at 11.6 yards/game rushing with the Steelers. Obviously neither of these guys are going to be Lamar Jackson while running the QB, but not tailoring the offense to be around a mobile QB seems to defeat the purpose of adding a mobile QB.

With all of that being said, I hate the idea of building around a mobile QB unless your QB is like freakishly athletic. Even with Jackson, the offense that Baltimore runs is super unique and it requires him to have the athleticism of a top RB to work. Just go get a pure pocket passer, I don't care if he's literally immobile if he can identify open targets before getting sacked. I think Levis and Pickett are probably roughly equally as talented QBs, but I'd take Levis at this point solely because I want a pocket passer over a scrambler.

Getting a QB that is good on the scramble and routinely gets out of pocket coverage to throw hasn’t been the Steelers’ style of QB for a very long time, even Kordell had issues with that and he was essentially one of the first few prototypes of the Vick’s and Lamar’s of the NFL. Teams that like those, get those. But if your scouting picks him and has seen him for years down the road and didn’t realize he was never the right fit and then got another QB as a backup that is similar and also fails, yet the one that has pocket presence, size, and calmness that is required to be a Steelers QB Is finally thriving, what the f*** is the actual issue?

If Kenny goes and does better elsewhere, who cares? Maybe that was his fit all along. I think so many wanted Kenny to work because of where he went to school over anything else really. The biggest vocal group of dipshit whiners about Kenny not getting played are the fans of his from college, fans that aren’t really even Steelers fans, just Kenny Pickett fans.

They can go f*** off.

I sincerely hope Kenny and his camp ask to be traded, it’d be a blessing at this point. I don’t really give two f***s about Kenny.