OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Blamed Canada

[Double-Shift Lasse]

The team has issues with coaching the details and people think we should bring in a player whose contract basically told him he had to spend time doing film study?

On the other hand, if the game plan is going to be "go out there run around and do stuff" then I guess maybe there isn't a better fit than Kyler. I don't see that as a winning plan, though, assuming by "winning plan" people would take it to mean "more than just 9-8".

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I don’t think even if we went 7-10 we would crack the the top 10 so we were not getting any of the top 3 Qbs in this class

 

[JTG]

They very well might. I could see some dumb GM offering up a high draft pick based on 2 or 3 good games for Rudolph So many teams need a QB. I would not be surprised if KP is the only QB kept from this years team going into next season.

He's a free agent.

Caleb Williams is so like the Quarterback in the Kevin Costner NFL draft movie. Character questions everywhere.



If we are willing to package the 2024 1st or TJ, we could get Daniels at least. IMO.

I mean...that's just never going to happen.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

He's a free agent.

Oh, did not know that. I’m bad at keeping track of such things

 

[Peat]

My pushback to Jaded’s original comment was that we would gain new information with a Pickett start against Baltimore’s backups. I disagree with that for the reasons I outlined in my other posts. Your comments about the last two defenses we’ve played are valid, but I don’t think it’s apples-apples to compare a starting defense vs a backup unit that we haven’t seen yet.

Ultimately I think we’re going to see a camp battle with Pickett and Rudolph/vet free agent to determine the 2024 starter. Barring a complete implosion from Rudolph in week 18.

We don't know how back-up Baltimore is going to be either.

I guess that my main point is that if we are being super cautious about what we can learn from poor opposition, we should be being super cautious now. And if we're convinced we can learn things, we can still learn from Baltimore.

Me, I think there are things to learn about Pickett vs Baltimore. They fired Canada because they thought he was hampering things, and Pickett go six quarters without him. Even if the Ravens won't be all that, getting to see another four for Pickett would be big. Seeing whether he'll play aggressive, seeing if he'll be safe when he does.

But... eh, I don't know, I can't bring myself to care all that much. Evaluating Pickett only matters if you think they're committed to making him the number one guy going forwards. I don't think that's true any more, so *le shrug*. I wish that would be followed up by going and trying to draft a QB1 again, but I guess I've been on board punting next year and building the line, so if that's what happens, maybe that's a good thing.

 

[The Old Master]

I think Mason already did everything he needed to do to get a job somewhere else next year. Unless he really enjoys Pittsburgh, they give him a raise, and he gets a shot to compete. I do not think they will give him a shot to complete, and they will tell him that they are rolling with Kenny at QB1.

that would be consistence with how he's been treated. but i doubt they would say it. so i could see him telling them to "go pound salt" any way.

 

[T1K]

We don't know how back-up Baltimore is going to be either.

I guess that my main point is that if we are being super cautious about what we can learn from poor opposition, we should be being super cautious now. And if we're convinced we can learn things, we can still learn from Baltimore.

Me, I think there are things to learn about Pickett vs Baltimore. They fired Canada because they thought he was hampering things, and Pickett go six quarters without him. Even if the Ravens won't be all that, getting to see another four for Pickett would be big. Seeing whether he'll play aggressive, seeing if he'll be safe when he does.

But... eh, I don't know, I can't bring myself to care all that much. Evaluating Pickett only matters if you think they're committed to making him the number one guy going forwards. I don't think that's true any more, so *le shrug*. I wish that would be followed up by going and trying to draft a QB1 again, but I guess I've been on board punting next year and building the line, so if that's what happens, maybe that's a good thing.

Yeah I mean personally, I’d rather them try to make a move to find a potential franchise guy, but sadly I don’t think it’s in the cards for us this offseason.

If the Steelers have intentions to bring Mason back, they need to start him this week as a sign of good faith that he actually has an opportunity to win the starting QB job. He may not even be interested in coming back for all we know, but I think starting Pickett in week 18 after the success MR has had would certainly burn the Rudolph bridge.

 

[Josey Wales]

Kenny Pickett wants to play Saturday but says Mason Rudolph seized the opportunity and he will support him as the backup

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[JTG]

Oh, did not know that. I’m bad at keeping track of such things

To be fair, two weeks ago Mason probably thought he was going to start selling insurance in a few months anyway. He just reinvigorated his completely dead career.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think what they'll do is go into next year with Pickett as the "starter" but they'll go very quickly to Rudolph if Pickett doesn't play well. They'll give Pickett a chance now that Canada is gone but have him on an incredibly short leash because of what Rudolph showed. This could even be as short of a leash as Pickett losing out the starter's role in the pre-season if Rudolph outplays him. I think that's both the move they'll do and the move that makes the most sense.

I do find it kinda annoying that Steelers fans are turning Rudolph's strong performances into shitting on Pickett, though. Especially considering Pickett's performance in his only full game against the Bengals after Canada was fired (24/33 with 278 passing yards and 421 total yards) was well in line with what Rudolph did against the Seahawks (18/24 with 274 passing yards and 468 total yards). I don't particularly view him as the QB of the future anymore though, so I'm not particularly in a spot where I care enough to argue against those people.

 

[JTG]

I'm very similar. I think Kenny could be one of these guys that sits for a really long time and then turns out to be decent. Odds of him doing that here are worse right now than they were at the SPLY.

 

[Peat]

I don't particularly view him as the QB of the future anymore though, so I'm not particularly in a spot where I care enough to argue against those people.

I cba to argue for Pickett, but some of the memory editing/logic drives me wild.

I also don't get all the stuff in which some people get excited for Rudolph/worried about him going elsewhere. He's spent his entire career being a number two. The odds of these last two games him being the next Geno Smith rather than just one of those things is tiny.

And I'm worried the more the team gets into maybe he's that, the longer we go before taking a real swing at a QB1.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think the KP cincy game was ok but the follow up against Arizona killed any hope.
Mason is using the same players who couldn’t run routes who were always miscommunication with the qb and wr. The same o line that was constantly being used as an excuse the same play book. He is taking hits to majexa play he is processing the defense KP isn’t learning anything watching the guy whose been in the offense for 3 seasons and here for 6

 

[JTG]

My biggest issue right now with Kenny and Mason is how Mason stands in there and Kenny does not. This line hasn't been great, but some of that is caused by how Kenny also plays the game. Right now, Mason has brought some calm to this whole situation and until he screws the pooch...we should ride with him. Try to sign Mason again in the offseason if he plays well and there is an open QB competition in the fall. Maybe we add another QB to the mix through the draft or in free agency. Cut Mitch.

The best thing for this front office to do is to start nuking parts of this team that aren't working, but that will never happen. TJ and Minkah got like 4 years left. We need to get a roll on it with this offense or we are blowing the careers of one of the best OLBs and safties in this era of football.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I cba to argue for Pickett, but some of the memory editing/logic drives me wild.

I also don't get all the stuff in which some people get excited for Rudolph/worried about him going elsewhere. He's spent his entire career being a number two. The odds of these last two games him being the next Geno Smith rather than just one of those things is tiny.

And I'm worried the more the team gets into maybe he's that, the longer we go before taking a real swing at a QB1.

I think the plan should be go with kp and mason use the 30 million we can open up to fill out the roster draft a qb in round 2 or 3 or punt on QB and go all in in 25 for a qb trade up if needed

 

[MrBrightside]

I really wonder if there are Jets fans who went to BYU that spend a lot of time on message boards complaining about Zach Wilson just hasn't gotten a fair shot and needs a better OC and he'll totally ball out. Or if there are Patriots fans living in Alabama that really just know that once Mac Jones gets freed from the bad coaching in NE and gets a WR he'll be the star they knew he would be. Or maybe there are a bunch of kinds sitting in North Dakota shouting into the void about how Trey Lance just needs coaching and a chance...

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think the KP cincy game was ok but the follow up against Arizona killed any hope.
Mason is using the same players who couldn’t run routes who were always miscommunication with the qb and wr. The same o line that was constantly being used as an excuse the same play book. He is taking hits to majexa play he is processing the defense KP isn’t learning anything watching the guy whose been in the offense for 3 seasons and here for 6

Pickett's game against Cincy and Rudolph's game against Seattle are effectively the same statistically, or at least really damn similar.

I think the only thing we truly know about this QB room is that Trubisky is awful. The most likely outcome is that both Rudolph and Pickett are just backup caliber (probably good backups with both of them), but neither are legitimate starting options. But we don't really know that yet.

I cba to argue for Pickett, but some of the memory editing/logic drives me wild.

I also don't get all the stuff in which some people get excited for Rudolph/worried about him going elsewhere. He's spent his entire career being a number two. The odds of these last two games him being the next Geno Smith rather than just one of those things is tiny.

And I'm worried the more the team gets into maybe he's that, the longer we go before taking a real swing at a QB1.

I think it's more about him not wanting to play for the Steelers than him being able to get better opportunities elsewhere, because they haven't exactly treated him well over his career.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Against Cincinnati last season kp threw for 260 and td they scored 30 Cincinnati with canada as the oc

 

[Josey Wales]

Colin Dunlap

@colin_dunlap
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Be logical (I know difficult for some)…Do you think Steelers org would let a 2nd year QB in doghouse stand in front of media and flat out lie, making 17th year head coach look bad?And then take him on trip this weekend?Those thinking Pickett lied today are just full of shit.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I really wonder if there are Jets fans who went to BYU that spend a lot of time on message boards complaining about Zach Wilson just hasn't gotten a fair shot and needs a better OC and he'll totally ball out. Or if there are Patriots fans living in Alabama that really just know that once Mac Jones gets freed from the bad coaching in NE and gets a WR he'll be the star they knew he would be. Or maybe there are a bunch of kinds sitting in North Dakota shouting into the void about how Trey Lance just needs coaching and a chance...

Literally who is doing this at this point with Pickett?

People keep bringing up this "Steelers fans are too nice to Pickett" idea as if a huge part of the fanbase isn't shitting on him right now solely because Rudolph had 2 good games. It was nonsensical when this was posted for the past few months and it's even more nonsensical now.

The media is coming up with a smear campaign to say he refused to dress as a backup to make him look bad. Fans are saying he sucks because Rudolph had 2 good games. Yet you're still complaining about fans being too nice to Pickett? It's just nonsense, no one has been doing that for months at minimum.

 

[Peat]

I think the plan should be go with kp and mason use the 30 million we can open up to fill out the roster draft a qb in round 2 or 3 or punt on QB and go all in in 25 for a qb trade up if needed

If you have Pickett and Rudolph, then there's no point getting a QB to be QB3 and not get any meaningful reps.

I think it's a case of punt for 25. But we're not going to be drafting higher than 20, and it's sounding like there's going to be intriguing QB talent there, and I'm increasingly thinking the team should be going there.

 

[MrBrightside]

Literally who is doing this at this point with Pickett?

People keep bringing up this "Steelers fans are too nice to Pickett" idea as if a huge part of the fanbase isn't shitting on him right now solely because Rudolph had 2 good games. It was nonsensical when this was posted for the past few months and it's even more nonsensical now.

The media is coming up with a smear campaign to say he refused to dress as a backup to make him look bad. Fans are saying he sucks because Rudolph had 2 good games. Yet you're still complaining about fans being too nice to Pickett? It's just nonsense, no one has been doing that for months at minimum.

Well, my Twitter "For You" section is absolutely filled with Pitt fans who do exactly this. And come on - do you really believe this is a created media smear campaign just to bash Pickett? Really? You're smarter than this. I don't know what really occurred but something unusual happened for a guy to be cleared to play and then scratched and not dressed so the team can play a man down in a must win game.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Pickett denies rumors he refused to be QB2 Sun.

Kenny Pickett on Tuesday denied rumors that he refused to be Mason Rudolph's backup for Sunday's game at Seattle.

www.espn.com

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If i was healthy I was starting against Seattle on Thursday he was cleared he had been practicing for 2 weeks. Now he is healthy and not starting