GDT: The Pittsburgher Thread: The Steelers out-stupid the Raiders!

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KIRK

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Ha...again..this is what Ive been waiting for. So many of our losses were fans complaining about what was really going on.

Took something as big as this for the media to notice Tomlin being a moron

Step in right direction.. And this a year after his interview with Dungy. That hasnt been forgotten. Especially if we miss playoffs. Go from being favorites(basically beating the Pats..that JJ catch forced a rule change) from never even gettting to face them again and then missing the playoffs?

Sorry, this didn't show in my post. This was the 2nd tweet in that thread:



Clearly, Roethlisberger told Tomlin he could go if he was needed and Tomlin made the call on when he was needed.

EDIT: I sort of get it in 1 sense. After the opening TD, the Raiders offense wasn't doing much. Until they needed to do something. Seems like that's how it goes for anyone against the Steelers D. Up and down, but when they need to score, they do. Tomlin should've put Ben in, go for the W in this one, and let the chips fall next week where they may.
 

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I'm not sure that matters anymore.

EDIT: Unless the minority owners push the point successfully (doubt it) or Roethlisberger pulls a 'me or him' Rogers on McCarthy move (doubt he does, but it's the only chance of change . . . maybe), Tomlin will be the coach next year.

Agreed. I was just using the line that every defender of Tomlins pulls out when people question whether he should be fired because that is all you will here over the next few weeks. Even though guys like McVay and Naggy has huge hype for more than 1 year. Guys come out of nowhere all the time as coaches. Hell Jack Del Rio and now Mike McCarthy are unemployed and both would be vast improvements over Tomlin and they are veteran guys so it’s not like there are only young unproven guys to look at
 
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JimmyTwoTimes

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Raiders did take up about 8 mins on that one td drive to go up 17-14. That didnt help either.

But our D made a few stops to give Dobbs the ball back and Tomlin chose to keep him in there.

No doubt he thought we would win this game no matter what. And this coming after losing 2 in a row. No excuse for that. Idc what he says...its obvious he overlooks opponents and players pick up on that and has an impact.

And we wonder why we start slow...or look sloppy at times...etc

Until we get into the flow of the game of course(you know...the time we saw Dobbs go 2 for 10 with 1INT)
 
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You know what's always bugged me the most about Tomlin? It's how he treats the local media at times.

The majority of this city's sports media have routinely been some of the biggest suck-ups you could possibly ask for if you're anyone of authority in the town's sports teams. They've been that for the Pirates my whole life, they were like that for Bylsma (who remembers the lashing the team received by certain people in the media after they dared to fire Bylsma who had never missed the playoffs?), and they've been that for Tomlin his entire career.

Pittsburgh is no Toronto, this town's media will deify you as the second coming as long as you're friendly enough with them to fill their articles/radio segments/tv talk shows with fluff.

And yet despite how cushy the media relations have been to him his entire tenure here, how far they've bent over backwards to defend him in the past, he'll still go out there for press conferences and stare down anyone with a question even remotely close to a possible criticism, brush it off with some curt arrogant dismissal like it was barely worth the brief acknowledgement he was gracious enough to bestow upon it, then top it off with one of his myriad catch-phrases to sound smart while being entirely without substance.

He's never had to answer for anything actually confrontational his entire career in this town, and yet he acts like we're lucky to have him.

That's what's never made sense to me about him. He should try coaching in New York, Boston, Philly, etc. and experience what being held to your own standards actually feels like.

Remember when by their own admission they judged themselves by championships? Cause I don't, they haven't in a while.

Cowher's defenses without Lebeau were up and down. 1998 was all-around mediocre. Most years he either had a really good run defense or pass defense. Rarely both.
 
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KIRK

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Steelers blow. What else needs to be said?

Not much.

And plenty.

:laugh:

Cowher's defenses without Lebeau were up and down. 1998 was all-around mediocre. Most years he either had a really good run defense or pass defense. Rarely both.

I'm not sure Cowher had a truly good pass defense from Rod Woodson's knee injury onward. They had some statistically good years where they'd beat up on crap QB's, but top QB's lit them up (I know this 100% from like 2000 on with the 5 wide sets).
 

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If I'm reading that right, it will cost the Steelers more next year against the cap to cut Boswell than to keep him. :biglaugh:


I guess you have to offset that cost by the total cost of his missed kicks. Losses and hence revenue from missed playoff games, etc.

He's not quite as wild as 1973 Steve Blass, but his misses are costing the team a lot more.
 
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I've said before that Cowher had 3 non-playoff years in a row before his seat got modestly warm. He didn't have Roethlisberger, but I don't think that will matter. Like you, I'm hard pressed to envision Tomlin being held to a less patient standard.

My only hope regarding a premature Tomlin departure in the future has always been when compared to Cowher, it was pretty accepted he didn't have a real QB to work with after Neil left until Ben came along.

I was admittedly young, but don't remember the general perception of the team having outlandish expectations for the Kordell/Tomczak/Maddox years, outside of the one fluke Kordell year until he remembered who he really was against Denver in the afccg.

If there's any hope for a bucking of the leniency trend Cowher was shown in his down years for Tomlin, I'd hope it would be that. Noll won four super bowl's, and was gifted the 80's as a thank you. Nobody deserves a decade of leniency over just one championship, unless you're the Steelers I guess.
 
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Toad!

 

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Shaftception

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Yeah, but like “who could they get to replace him?”

Exactly, this has always been the ultimate yinzer comeback if there ever was one.

Tomlin was such a nobody before he was hired the town was dumbfounded when Grimm wasn't given the job. And Grimm wasn't exactly some can't miss guru, there just wasn't a name obviously better out there and waiting.

Here's a PG article of reactions after Tomlin's hiring

Now clearly some of those proved hyperbolic considering the success they had over the following years, but it should be obvious how not obvious his hiring was at the time.
 
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I'm looking forward to using the phrase "rhythm and flow" in the Penguin game day threads.
 
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Andy99

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I honestly think his decisions not to use time outs on the Raiders last drive to give them more than a minute of time rather than 21 seconds at the end was a more egregious failure than not putting Ben in earlier....with more time on the clock, Boswell is not lining up for the 40yarder most likely ....they’d have had a decent shot at a TD the way the Raider D was playing...
 
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Coastal Kev

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Can someone translate this for me?


I'll use a quote from Mike that he used back in 07 after the Home Jags Playoff loss where he went for 2 from the 12 yard line in the 3rd quarter.

"Man, that's just baseball"...................... My favorite 70's Steelers mug shattered into hundreds of pieces with that one.
 
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Andy99

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If this loss wasn’t worth firing Tomlin over, then it has to be enough to fire him after next week’s game against the Pats when the team plays a soft zone against Brady again, fails to pressure him up the middle and predictably loses against the Pats for like the fifth time in a row playing the exact same pathetic scheme...that’s the definition of insanity...

I will not be watching and driving myself crazy as I beg them to play man coverage and bring middle pressure like every single successful team against the Pats has done....
 
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Bingo71

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What baffles me more than anything is that it had taken most people this f***ing long to see Tomlin for what he is.

I guess his exceedingly well developed line of bull shit has duped dumbasses for quite a while now...

Tomlin was sold as a defensive guru, especially a DBs specialist. He’s had 12 years to build this defense the way he wanted it and it looks like ass on a weekly basis. HE had major input on drafting these players. HE coaches them. HE is supposed to have the final say in the defensive schemes and gameplanning. Yet for so long he had always been given a pass and the blame was placed on the defensive coordinator or the players themselves.

The offense has slowly been built into one of the most talented units in the league, more than capable of 30+ a game yet they are wildly inconsistent and can easily go from scoring 50 one week to struggling to 13 the next. Teams that have shitty run Ds, they throw 50 passes against. Teams that have shitty pass Ds, they pound the rock against them. It’s like Tomlin is always trying to show how smart and outside the box thinking he is but he f***s over the team repeatedly because his “genius” doesn’t work.

Pitch plays on 3rd and 4th and short, to slow running backs? 50 yard bombs on 3rd and 2 into double coverage? Never scheming receivers open for easy pitch and catches? LBers on TEs and WRs on every play? 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 4? WTF is going on out there? I think some kid who won his local Madden tournament could come up with better playcalling and scheming than this clown show.

But I’m glad they the local media is beginning to put the heat where it belongs now. Whether or not they’ll keep the fires stoked I don’t know.

Boswell has been shit this year after being money last year but if you really step back and look at it, the games should not have been on his foot so much for the past 2 seasons. How many wins last season were because the Steelers has to pull some miraculous drive out of their ass to get Bos in a position to win it? Same shit is happening this year. This offense should not have to pull miracles off each and every week just for a chance to win it in the final seconds. They should be able to easily put up 30 a game and have the game out of reach for the opposition at the end of the 4th quarter. But they don’t at a constant pace. They bumble and stumble and fumble and let other teams hang around. If you want to make it easier on your D, then the offense has to keep scoring and forcing the opposing team to become one dimensional to catch up. Steelers don’t do that.

It was plain as day that Tomlin, in all his glorious arrogance, today decided to “ride the D” to a victory that he thought he had in the bag. Didn’t need Ben back on there because he trusted the D to hold. Didn’t need to call TO when the Raiders were about to score because he trusted the D. This team is built to outscore opponents, not be a defensive juggernaut.

Tomlin is like a politician who lets the bullshit flow with ease, ooing and awwing people with big words and platitudes and cliches while never really saying anything and then failing to get the results that he promised, yet the dumb f***s still re elect him.

I guarantee that Ben threatened to retire last year because he knows that Tomlin runs a shit show with zero accountability or discipline and he was sick of it. From the ridiculous posing on the field after mundane plays to guys yelling into opposing teams locker rooms before games, to guys showing up late to meetings or not showing up at all, to the off the field garbage with social media and the sort. You don’t see that shit with BB and the Pats because he doesn’t put up with that. You focus on football until you can execute at a nearly flawless level and if you f*** up a few times, your gone. Stir things up off the field and you’ll be disciplined. I remember Welker making some joke about Rex Ryan’s foot fetish before a game against the Jets and BB benched him for the first quarter. I remember a kick/punt returner for the Pats muffing a couple of kicks, IN A GAME THAT THEY WON, and he was released on Monday morning. Harrison said he witnessed Brady running scared to a meeting because he was afraid of being late...

That’s not the culture in Pittsburgh, not by a long shot. From AB’s diva antics on and off the field, his live-streaming in the locker room, his social media nonsense, his over the top celebrations that kept penalizing the Steelers, to Bell’s looking past the Jags last year on social media and Tomlin on national TV, to Bell completely missing the meeting before the Jags game, to Mike Mitchell screaming into Jacksonville’s locker room before they game that but the end of it they were “gonna know his name”, to the Harrison situation last year... Complete clown show, top to bottom.

This isn’t a focused football team. There’s constant confusion on both sides of the ball, distractions seemingly everywhere, lack of discipline and accoutability, etc. And where does it start?
 

Rossi Rat

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4 weeks ago, the Steelers were 6-2-1. Since then . . .


I mentioned this before. 13-3 last year. And without counting, let’s just say lots of those games they won were decided in the last minute. So of course things were gonna swing the other way.

@Andy99 ohblessyourheart.gif

As for the person saying the Steelers just aren’t a good team... yeah, probably so. It’s just hard to accept with this talent. Imagine being Juju.

Also, where the **** was AB? Total non-factor. And that narrative that the o line can block for any ol’ RB and Samuels would feast... lol.
 
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