OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[Coastal Kev]

So you're preferring quantity over quality? Here's the thing, in my estimation there's a precipitous drop off after Darnell Wright. Whereas with a corner you can still Garner a good player in the second even maybe the third round. With Pickett getting two concussions in short order I think we need to accentuate the urgency in protecting him. I think Omar Khan will extract reasonable value here. I don't think we're going to get taken to the Wood Shed. I really like what we've done in the offseason thus far. So I trust he's not going to get lambasted. But if we have a chance to move up and get a good offensive tackle I think we need to do so. That doesn't mean we just throw the rest of the draft into chaos, I think we still can extract value later with a position that's deeper but a far less pressing need.

I’m saying the quality is about the same from about 10 on.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Nevermind Johnston, that one is *wild* with the QB movement. Either he knows something the rest of the NFL doesn't, or he's smoking something good.

Also that draft is screaming for trading up with the Packers to get an OT ahead of the Jets. Green Bay can 100% get their TE at 17.

It would be pretty wild if the Rodgers trade allows the Steelers to move into the Jets original spot to get a T.

Pretty confident Jets would have never dealt their pick to the Steelers given their common need at T.

So now with the Packers in that spot, it’s one more potential partner they can realistically talk to.

 

[Peat]

It would be pretty wild if the Rodgers trade allows the Steelers to move into the Jets original spot to get a T.

Pretty confident Jets would have never dealt their pick to the Steelers given their common need at T.

So now with the Packers in that spot, it’s one more potential partner they can realistically talk to.

I'm kinda fixated by the possibility now tbh.

Trading up to 8-10 just feels real spendy to me. I dunno if you're going to look at Paris Johnson and think that was absolutely value for money in a few years. I also wonder if you'll be able to trade up to there if he's still there. Chicago and Tennessee are both said to love him. I don't want to do that for Broderick Jones.

But a small trade to 12 or 13 to get Broderick Jones? I dig that. Nobody seems to know what Houston are thinking, but everyone seems convinced Green Bay want a TE for Love and they can do that while trading down super easy.

Dream world is Bears get distracted by Carter, Titans go QB, and Johnson is sat there at 12 or 13. But I'm not that optimistic.

Guess the one problem for targeting that one for trade is if they don't agree, you don't have a fallback plan. You're right onto teams that would like a Tackle then.

 

[JTG]

Unless they move up, Steelers are looking at Wright, JPJ, Banks or possibly Van Ness at #17…I wouldn’t take the corners, either Wright or Van Ness

I think people have to look at Van Ness' highlights. It's not our biggest need, but he has TJ level skill, I think, except he could be anywhere from a 1-tech to a 5-tech to a stand up OLB. The more I watch of him, the more I see a true game wrecker.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I'm kinda fixated by the possibility now tbh.

Trading up to 8-10 just feels real spendy to me. I dunno if you're going to look at Paris Johnson and think that was absolutely value for money in a few years. I also wonder if you'll be able to trade up to there if he's still there. Chicago and Tennessee are both said to love him. I don't want to do that for Broderick Jones.

But a small trade to 12 or 13 to get Broderick Jones? I dig that. Nobody seems to know what Houston are thinking, but everyone seems convinced Green Bay want a TE for Love and they can do that while trading down super easy.

Dream world is Bears get distracted by Carter, Titans go QB, and Johnson is sat there at 12 or 13. But I'm not that optimistic.

Guess the one problem for targeting that one for trade is if they don't agree, you don't have a fallback plan. You're right onto teams that would like a Tackle then.

Ya we really need to hope Bears go Carter, because they will likely go T if he’s gone/they pass on him.

I feel like Gonzalez and Witherspoon will have to go in the top ten, and kind of reset the board some.

Even then, I fully expect at least one T off the board before the Packers pick comes up.

Possibly two if Chi and Ten go that route.

I just wonder what happens if Skoronski is the last man standing. Will the Steelers want to move up for him?

 

[Ryder71]

I’m saying the quality is about the same from about 10 on.

I would agree with you as it pertains to almost every position with the exception of offensive tackle. And in my opinion I would say that's the position we need to shore up the most. As far as cornerback, defensive tackle (with the exception of Carter) etc, yeah you can still get a pretty good player at 28 or 47 or maybe even 65. But you can't say that about offensive tackle.

 

[Peat]

Ya we really need to hope Bears go Carter, because they will likely go T if he’s gone/they pass on him.

I feel like Gonzalez and Witherspoon will have to go in the top ten, and kind of reset the board some.

Even then, I fully expect at least one T off the board before the Packers pick comes up.

Possibly two if Chi and Ten go that route.

I just wonder what happens if Skoronski is the last man standing. Will the Steelers want to move up for him?

I don't think they've paid enough attention to Skoronski to see it.

Here's the optimist's version of how Paris Johnson falls into easy trade up territory -

1 - Young (easy)
2 - Anderson (feel like we're hearing this one a lot)
3 - Wilson
4 - Stroud
5 - Richardson (seems a bit optimistic, dunno how much Seattle have been paying attention to QBs but there seems to be some chat, although I guess any combination of these players in the top 5 works)
6 - Witherspoon (lot of buzz about him being a Campbell play at Detroit)
7 - Skoronski (Raiders need OL help but aren't as set on it being a T)
8 - Titans trade up for Levis (Athletic article reckons they really like him)
9 - Carter
10 - Gonzalez
11 - Van Ness/Robinson (both players Atlanta are meant to like)
12 - In this scenario, things have gone perfectly, Paris Johnson is on the board; a run at Tackle is clearly about to start; I can't think of a pressing reason for the Texans to stay put and if they do, it's probably not for OT.

Doubt things fall that perfectly though.

 

[JTG]

Skoronski is the best bet at OL in this draft. He's either a really good tackle at best, or he's probably the best G prospect to come out since Q Nelson at worst.

 

[Pens1566]

I don't think they've paid enough attention to Skoronski to see it.

Here's the optimist's version of how Paris Johnson falls into easy trade up territory -

1 - Young (easy)
2 - Anderson (feel like we're hearing this one a lot)
3 - Wilson
4 - Stroud
5 - Richardson (seems a bit optimistic, dunno how much Seattle have been paying attention to QBs but there seems to be some chat, although I guess any combination of these players in the top 5 works)
6 - Witherspoon (lot of buzz about him being a Campbell play at Detroit)
7 - Skoronski (Raiders need OL help but aren't as set on it being a T)
8 - Titans trade up for Levis (Athletic article reckons they really like him)
9 - Carter
10 - Gonzalez
11 - Van Ness/Robinson (both players Atlanta are meant to like)
12 - In this scenario, things have gone perfectly, Paris Johnson is on the board; a run at Tackle is clearly about to start; I can't think of a pressing reason for the Texans to stay put and if they do, it's probably not for OT.

Doubt things fall that perfectly though.

I've seen most mocks having Houston taking JSN at 12. So they might trade down, but I'm not sure it would be to 17. He likely won't last that long.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Probably the most interesting draft from a steeler perspective in a good while.

Multiple needs
Pick borders no mans land
#32
And a new front office

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I don't think they've paid enough attention to Skoronski to see it.

Here's the optimist's version of how Paris Johnson falls into easy trade up territory -

1 - Young (easy)
2 - Anderson (feel like we're hearing this one a lot)
3 - Wilson
4 - Stroud
5 - Richardson (seems a bit optimistic, dunno how much Seattle have been paying attention to QBs but there seems to be some chat, although I guess any combination of these players in the top 5 works)
6 - Witherspoon (lot of buzz about him being a Campbell play at Detroit)
7 - Skoronski (Raiders need OL help but aren't as set on it being a T)
8 - Titans trade up for Levis (Athletic article reckons they really like him)
9 - Carter
10 - Gonzalez
11 - Van Ness/Robinson (both players Atlanta are meant to like)
12 - In this scenario, things have gone perfectly, Paris Johnson is on the board; a run at Tackle is clearly about to start; I can't think of a pressing reason for the Texans to stay put and if they do, it's probably not for OT.

Doubt things fall that perfectly though.

Ya they basically need the top 4 QBs and top 2 corners to go off the board, then hope the Packers are willing to trade down/Steelers have the best offer.

Once the Jets are up, I’m 99% sure none of the big three slide to 17.

It’s a murderers row of teams that need LTs.

Jets and NE we all know about, but the Commanders have their own Moore Jr in Leno.

I have a hard time seeing them passing on whomever is left at 16, and that’s if one of the big three somehow slips past the Jets and NE.

I keep looking at the board various ways and it will take some unreal luck for these guys to fall to 17.

Steelers have figured that out as well, which is why there is all the smoke about them moving up.

 

[Pens1566]

Would be nice if Robinson gets picked ahead of us. I'm seeing some hints that he might go early.

 

[Peat]

I've seen most mocks having Houston taking JSN at 12. So they might trade down, but I'm not sure it would be to 17. He likely won't last that long.

Hpmh. Probably not. One can hope I guess.

Would be nice if Robinson gets picked ahead of us. I'm seeing some hints that he might go early.

I know it's a bit (lot) reckless given team needs but I really wish this team was looking at grabbing him. You want a guy to bring YAC ability, Robinson is that guy. I hope whichever team gets him looks to be creative and move him around the field, he's going to produce some real fun highlights if they do.

 

[Pens1566]

Hpmh. Probably not. One can hope I guess.



I know it's a bit (lot) reckless given team needs but I really wish this team was looking at grabbing him. You want a guy to bring YAC ability, Robinson is that guy. I hope whichever team gets him looks to be creative and move him around the field, he's going to produce some real fun highlights if they do.

Yeah, he seems like he's going to be a great weapon.

 

[Ryder71]

Would be nice if Robinson gets picked ahead of us. I'm seeing some hints that he might go early.

At a minimum we need to get ahead of the Jets and commanders. Maybe the Packers would deal with us but it looks like they want to tight end? And the Commanders might take one if we take OT which could screw up the packers. I think in order to ensure we get one of the offensive tackles we need to make a trade with either Houston or Green Bay at 12 or 13. It just depends (obviously) on how much they really want players at those positions in the draft and what draft Capital we'd have to part with.

 

[The Old Master]

Guess the one problem for targeting that one for trade is if they don't agree, you don't have a fallback plan. You're right onto teams that would like a Tackle then.

yeah and it's not like the other teams aren't looking at moving up too. so better to take what you can, than hope for something else to fall in your lap.

 

[Peat]

yeah and it's not like the other teams aren't looking at moving up too. so better to take what you can, than hope for something else to fall in your lap.

Famous last words but I don't think anyone much is reporting that they are.

 

[The Old Master]

Famous last words but I don't think anyone much is reporting that they are.

if you were a gm of another team, would you be looking at maybe a move up? if not you would be negligent in your job.

 

[Peat]

if you were a gm of another team, would you be looking at maybe a move up? if not you would be negligent in your job.

I presume they're all talking about it. But to me, there's a difference between talking about it because you never know and actively looking to. Not a "well maybe if this scenario plays out", but a "we are in this scenario unless something changes".

The Steelers are, I think, in the latter. Given the amount of noise and how it marries up with team needs + mocks, I think they're going to try to move up unless the OTs come off the board before they can.

I don't think any other team is coming across that aggressive.

 

[The Old Master]

I presume they're all talking about it. But to me, there's a difference between talking about it because you never know and actively looking to. Not a "well maybe if this scenario plays out", but a "we are in this scenario unless something changes".

The Steelers are, I think, in the latter. Given the amount of noise and how it marries up with team needs + mocks, I think they're going to try to move up unless the OTs come off the board before they can.

I don't think any other team is coming across that aggressive.

yeah, it all comes down to how bad do you/they want a ot.
edit; if i'm another gm and i want a ot and i know the steelers are looking to move up maybe to get one. i'm not telling anyone that i'm going to try to move up to get one.

 

[td_ice]

On theFAN today they mentioned Peter King's Steelers mention at 17. King has Steelers taking Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Hedged with saying if they go corner, Deonte Banks.

King correctly predicted Steelers taking Pickett last year in the 1st.

 

[JTG]

Would be nice if Robinson gets picked ahead of us. I'm seeing some hints that he might go early.

Robinson is a rare player. Call him a RB and let people beat their chests over taking a RB that early - fact is, you get him the ball, whether in the passing or running game, and you let him work. He's a complete differentiator on offense and whoever takes him is going to immediately make him the focus of their team. If I were the Eagles, I'd take Van Ness at 10 and trade up at from 30 to take Robinson.

On theFAN today they mentioned Peter King's Steelers mention at 17. King has Steelers taking Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Hedged with saying if they go corner, Deonte Banks.

King correctly predicted Steelers taking Pickett last year in the 1st.

King has the pulse of the Steelers. I think it is kind of what happens when a respected journalist that has been around for decades and an ownership/front office that sees very little turnover combines. From everything I have read, I think Christian Gonzalez is the Steelers guy, and JPJ is the consolation prize. I'm not sure they are that terribly into the tackles.

 

[Peat]

yeah, it all comes down to how bad do you/they want a ot.
edit; if i'm another gm and i want a ot and i know the steelers are looking to move up maybe to get one. i'm not telling anyone that i'm going to try to move up to get one.

Maybe I'm being misled by the amount of draft rumours and the Steelers' openness, but I just don't think its possible to keep stuff like that secret. Even if your own front office is completely watertight, other teams can still leak (and its arguably in their interest to do so to drive prices up), and teams can just start figuring things out based on your needs, where your scouts are going, your habits...

Someone's going to start talking about it. Best you can do is give them lots to talk about so they're not sure. But completely hiding it... I just don't see it.

King has the pulse of the Steelers. I think it is kind of what happens when a respected journalist that has been around for decades and an ownership/front office that sees very little turnover combines. From everything I have read, I think Christian Gonzalez is the Steelers guy, and JPJ is the consolation prize. I'm not sure they are that terribly into the tackles.

That would be the smokescreen of all smokescreens imo. I think they've been all over that tackle class at the top, and given their lack of depth and lack of interest further down, have kind of locked themselves into acting early.



Fwiw, Ike Taylor has said the mocks aren't too far away from what the Steelers are talking about. Not sure much worth that is given the wide variance of mocks.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Maybe I'm being misled by the amount of draft rumours and the Steelers' openness, but I just don't think its possible to keep stuff like that secret. Even if your own front office is completely watertight, other teams can still leak (and its arguably in their interest to do so to drive prices up), and teams can just start figuring things out based on your needs, where your scouts are going, your habits...

Someone's going to start talking about it. Best you can do is give them lots to talk about so they're not sure. But completely hiding it... I just don't see it.



That would be the smokescreen of all smokescreens imo. I think they've been all over that tackle class at the top, and given their lack of depth and lack of interest further down, have kind of locked themselves into acting early.



Fwiw, Ike Taylor has said the mocks aren't too far away from what the Steelers are talking about. Not sure much worth that is given the wide variance of mocks.

Steelers have been so bad at smokescreens the last several years that it's almost comical.

Maybe it is different under Kahn and he's more into subterfuge, but if they move up and take anything but Carter or a T, I'll be floored.

 

[pistolpete11]

LT is the biggest need on the team, but trading up to fill a need is foolish IMO. That's what they did with Bush and we saw how that turned out.

If you trade up, it should be because you think the guy is a real difference maker....like Troy was. I'm no prospect expert by any means, but it doesn't seem like any of the T are really that franchise type of LT.