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Found this breakdown interesting. Don't agree with where they have some guys ranked compared to other publications, but it notates how many times Steelers front office and coaching staff met with guys.

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Pittsburgh Steelers' 2023 NFL Draft Big Board (Final Grade Edition)

Organized by Highest Value (“HV#”) to the Steelers. Great players for other teams get downgraded here, as do positions where Pittsburgh has limited “want.” An HV of 1:25 means the player is a reach for the Steelers if they pick at any point before Pick # 25 overall but good value at any point...
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The Steelers Depot big board is specific to the Steelers. Which is why Kancey is rated so low. He doesn’t fit the scheme. So you have to look at it from that standpoint.

But is is interesting where they have some of the players.

Like he has Wright as a second rounder. Which is where he was til like week or so. So is the jump for Wright real or is it like other bumps that players get right before the draft and then they fall back to where they should be.
 
Peat said:
Speaking of trading, Rodgers is now a Jet, which includes a swap of 1st round picks, which maybe opens up trading to 13 to get ahead of the Jets.
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Yeah, maybe stick it there to Rodgers maybe he loses an OT if they'd be willing to trade with us. I think this probably only helps the Steelers.
 
I didn't look as I'd seen the earlier ones and figured not much would have changed. I've also got to point out that some of the info is incomplete (i.e. they didn't just have Meyer at Pro Day for Paris Johnson, they had everyone, then went for dinner).

One thing I have noticed is Pavelle focuses mainly on physical and technical, without much note of character or mental (I mean look at the brevity of the Carter profile). Would I rather have Gonzalez or Witherspoon? Gonzalez is the athlete built in a lab to play CB, but Witherspoon is the hungry, aggressive guy. If one of those guys gives up a touchdown to bring a game to within one score, and then has to go back out there shortly to prevent them from getting the other guys from the next one with no time to comeback, which one is going to play like that touchdown never happened? Probably Witherspoon, going from chat. Is that more valuable than Gonzalez being the more ideal athlete? Maybe, maybe not, but its worth considering.

It's part of why I'm beginning to wonder if I don't want Darnell Wright after all. Paris Johnson and Broderick Jones are ideal LT athletes who should be great guys if handled right, but they don't want to f*** up a guy's day like Darnell Wright.

(although I'd point out he has Darnell Wright at 1:20, not second round, and 1:20 sounds about right 5 places give or take either way).
 
Looks like Kahn has also talked to the Titans as well about moving up:

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What McShay is hearing about the NFL draft: Buzz on the top 13 picks, interesting team storylines

Todd McShay has the latest on what every team in the top 10 could do when the NFL draft kicks off Thursday, plus where QBs could land.
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I've heard Pittsburgh has contacted multiple teams, including the Bears (No. 9) and Titans (No. 11), about trading up for an offensive tackle. The Steelers need a long-term answer as protection for Kenny Pickett, and there are three potential cornerstone left tackles in this class who will be available in that range. It wasn't that long ago that Pittsburgh moved up in Round 1 and took linebacker Devin Bush, and we could see a similar move this year, albeit for a different position.
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Titans apparently want to move up, but if they can’t, they are talking to teams about a move down so they can get more draft capital.
 
JTG said:
Peter King has the Steelers taking JSN. I'll probably not like the pick if there are tackles and corners on the board that are of a similar value, but holy shit would that offense be unreal with JSN in the slot. I think they could legitimately look at flipping DJ if that happens.

He didn't see a lot of looks from Kenny last year, and if they give him a possession guy like JSN, those looks are going WAY down.
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I was advocating for that exact scenario a while back. Deal DJ for picks. Use one of the picks in 1st/2nd on a replacement. And JSN was my ideal choice. I think he's gonna be a freak.
 
Peat said:
(although I'd point out he has Darnell Wright at 1:20, not second round, and 1:20 sounds about right 5 places give or take either way).
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They originally rated him as a late day 2, early day 3 pick. 2023 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Tennessee OT Darnell Wright - Steelers Depot

And stated even up to a couple weeks ago that he was a day 2. Now, the original analysis was in January before the combine, but I find it interesting that it has changed over time by nothing else than the collective masses feeling he should be picked higher.
 
Haven't been posting much since I've been paying more attention to the Bucs. They're focused on Tackle and thank goodness since this is something that the Steelers continue to neglect and has frustrated me over the years @Mr Jiggyfly knows it.

My ideal draft is for the Bucs and Steelers to go Tackle. The Steelers need one to protect Pickett and the Bucs having 2 Tackles solidified for their next QB.
 
Goalie_Bob said:
They originally rated him as a late day 2, early day 3 pick. 2023 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Tennessee OT Darnell Wright - Steelers Depot

And stated even up to a couple weeks ago that he was a day 2. Now, the original analysis was in January before the combine, but I find it interesting that it has changed over time by nothing else than the collective masses feeling he should be picked higher.
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Oh right, misread.

Pazelle says in the comments this isn't his personal board, but rather one designed to reflect the consensus. So I guess that explains that.
 
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Goalie_Bob said:
The Steelers Depot big board is specific to the Steelers. Which is why Kancey is rated so low. He doesn’t fit the scheme. So you have to look at it from that standpoint.

But is is interesting where they have some of the players.

Like he has Wright as a second rounder. Which is where he was til like week or so. So is the jump for Wright real or is it like other bumps that players get right before the draft and then they fall back to where they should be.
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I didn't think Wright was ever a 2nd rounder. I watched the Tennessee-Alabama game where he stonewalled Will Anderson. The thing with Wright is he has what you can't coach, and he's an immediate starter. Is he the most athletic tackle? No. But there is value there because you can throw him to the wolves and he'll be fine. I think there is really good potential all 4 LT's get abused their first year, if they play.

Skoronski - We will quickly find out if his length is an issue. Being so technically sound, I think he will be good his first year. If a team starts him at G he makes the Pro Bowl.

Johnson - There are going to be edge rushers in the NFL that jack him up and put him on his back when he plays too high, which he does frequently.

Harrison - He will get almost 0 push in the run game, and some rushers will make it look like he's on skates in the pass game. He's actually the best pure LT, IMO, but he has so much work to do.

Jones - has the physical attributes to hold his own, but I think at least once a game he will look silly because he's just not that technical yet.
 
Pens1566 said:
I was advocating for that exact scenario a while back. Deal DJ for picks. Use one of the picks in 1st/2nd on a replacement. And JSN was my ideal choice. I think he's gonna be a freak.
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If we draft JSN, I'd try to get a collection of picks for DJ in 2024. Having multiple drafts in a row with multiple top 64 picks would be huge.

And anything that gives us more opportunity to pick what is probably my favorite NFL prospect in 10 years in Joe Alt.
 
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The Steelers should trade down, not up. I don't see the value of any player that's a 2 for 1. Said the same thing regarding Bush before that draft and that turned out to be a disaster.
 
Night Shift said:
Haven't been posting much since I've been paying more attention to the Bucs. They're focused on Tackle and thank goodness since this is something that the Steelers continue to neglect and has frustrated me over the years @Mr Jiggyfly knows it.

My ideal draft is for the Bucs and Steelers to go Tackle. The Steelers need one to protect Pickett and the Bucs having 2 Tackles solidified for their next QB.
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They have to keep investing in KP, and as I’ve been writing ad nauseam, the best way to do that is getting a LT.

I’m guessing KP will make this a competitive team and they won’t be picking this high again for awhile, so this is the time to make a move and get your long term answer at LT.

They obviously have to hit on him, but a team can’t ever do better than landing their future QB and LT in b2b drafts.

I’m 100% convinced Kahn is thinking that way with all the smoke around the Steelers.

Some will argue the smoke is so they can move up for a corner, but that’s not the way Weidl thinks… his philosophy is to build from the trenches out.

So to me, it’s not IF Kahn wants to move up and get a T, but if he can.
 
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Unless they move up, Steelers are looking at Wright, JPJ, Banks or possibly Van Ness at #17…I wouldn’t take the corners, either Wright or Van Ness
 
Coastal Kev said:
The Steelers should trade down, not up. I don't see the value of any player that's a 2 for 1. Said the same thing regarding Bush before that draft and that turned out to be a disaster.
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I don't know that you can judge this scenario as that one. I wasn't enamored with that move either, but just because it didn't work then doesn't mean it wouldn't work now. Besides, we're not necessarily going to do a twofor one, maybe we just have to move down quite a bit in a later round.
 
Steelers Depot guy thinks Steelers take Wright over Jones being available….not enamored of his picks overall..

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Here it is. My final Pittsburgh Steelers’ mock draft. The last time I’ll try to predict what the team will do Thursday, Friday, and Saturday before the actual picks roll in. Honestly, this was as difficult a mock as any in recent memory, probably as difficult since 2019 and even then, we at...
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Sounds to me like they have a guy - maybe two - that they like.

I said a week or so back that I had a group of guys, any of whom I was ok with at 17 - it included the four tackles and three corners. But I have the luxury of doing that, and if not personally needing to get more detailed scouting.

If the team has a guy they like - or a guy they don’t - them that list of seven becomes smaller and the need to move up to better ensure you get who you want becomes greater.

To my way of thinking, that’s gotta be what the FO is about in exploring a move up.
 
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Andy99 said:
Unless they move up, Steelers are looking at Wright, JPJ, Banks or possibly Van Ness at #17…I wouldn’t take the corners, either Wright or Van Ness
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I think the cornerback class is pretty deep, so you could probably get a really good player at 32. I look at Van Ness as a luxury pick, we need to go for a tackle.

If the Titans want to move down or at least are open to the idea, maybe we can trade 17 and 49 for 11 and 72. If we had to add our second seventh rounder I guess I would do that as well.
 
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Only Steeler I see getting traded is Dotson. This team has both talked the talk and walked the walk when it comes to valuing and chasing depth and competition this year; Trubisky, Moore, and Okorafor are all part of that. Lets say you get Broderick Jones, trade Moore, then two weeks in Jones breaks a leg or outright sucks and your new starting LT is uh *googles* Le'Raven Clark. I don't think they're going to do that. Trubisky is a similar boat. If you could trade them and use the pick to get a similarly good player, that would be different, but you almost definitely can't.

Diontae Johnson is a bit different because maybe you can get a pick good enough to bring in a high end WR, but even there I don't see it. I doubt their belief in Johnson has wavered all that much since signing him to his deal. He is, assuming he's the same guy who played the seasons before 22 (tiny assumption) a better aid to Pickett than any rookie WR. Only way that wouldn't be true is if Pickett is telling them he just can't connect with the guy.

Moving Dotson makes sense because he's two injuries away from starting, maybe three after the draft. The others? Nah. Not imo.

Double-Shift Lasse said:
Sounds to me like they have a guy - maybe two - that they like.

I said a week or so back that I had a group of guys, any of whom I was ok with at 17 - it included the four tackles and three corners. But I have the luxury of doing that, and if not personally needing to get more detailed scouting.

If the team has a guy they like - or a guy they don’t - them that list of seven becomes smaller and the need to move up to better ensure you get who you want becomes greater.

To my way of thinking, that’s gotta be what the FO is about in exploring a move up.
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Imo the quickest way to cut that list to a size where you have to move up is to say "I need position X" i.e. a tackle. Which I think is what happens.

Even if they're comfy with the starters, there's zero depth on the roster behind them, and there's not a whole lot of depth in the draft below the top 4 - or 3 if you think Skoronski is a guard.
 
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