OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[JTG]

I needed a break from work, and my curiousity was piqued. Bresee, Broderick Jones, and Darnell Wright the team has spent the most time with.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

LT is the biggest need on the team, but trading up to fill a need is foolish IMO. That's what they did with Bush and we saw how that turned out.

If you trade up, it should be because you think the guy is a real difference maker....like Troy was. I'm no prospect expert by any means, but it doesn't seem like any of the T are really that franchise type of LT.

I don’t think they have to be franchise Ts to make a big difference as franchise LT are harder to find than franchise QBs.

If they can find a LT that locks the position down with above avg play for the next 7-8 years, it will be well worth moving up.

 

[xlm34]

I needed a break from work, and my curiousity was piqued. Bresee, Broderick Jones, and Darnell Wright the team has spent the most time with.

I’d really like Jones at 17 or with a small trade up.

I’d like Wright at 17, but would not want to trade up for him.

I would not want Bresee at all in round one. Depending on how round one went, I wouldn’t hate it in round 2.

 

[Ryder71]

I’d really like Jones at 17 or with a small trade up.

I’d like Wright at 17, but would not want to trade up for him.

I would not want Bresee at all in round one. Depending on how round one went, I wouldn’t hate it in round 2.

The most recent mock drafts have both of those tackles picked right before us. I think we absolutely should get one if we can. Again as long as the price isn't egregious. But I don't think either will be there at 17.

 

[Peat]

I needed a break from work, and my curiousity was piqued. Bresee, Broderick Jones, and Darnell Wright the team has spent the most time with.

Pretty sure this is inaccurate. I think Paris Johnson had brass as well as management at his pro day, then went and had dinner. Tbh given how it's filled out I don't understand what they mean by brass.

LT is the biggest need on the team, but trading up to fill a need is foolish IMO. That's what they did with Bush and we saw how that turned out.

If you trade up, it should be because you think the guy is a real difference maker....like Troy was. I'm no prospect expert by any means, but it doesn't seem like any of the T are really that franchise type of LT.

I don't think we should be holding up Bush as how all trade ups work. Polamalu and Santonio Holmes were fine. I think all of the the Eagles, Bills, and Chiefs traded up last year and they look fine too. The possibility that Bush would have worked out fine without that knee injury can't be dismissed either.

Also big difference making, franchise altering LTs go top 5. The fact that Paris Johnson probably ain't that is what makes trading up to 10 and getting him realistic. If we're not willing to trade up to the top 10 to get a probably above average but not amazing LT, then how are we getting one? Throwing a ton of darts at it and hoping to get lucky? Dumping money into it in FA? Hoping to get shit?

Or just saying screw it and go about with average OTs and premium IOL in the finest Steelers fashion?

I'm not saying this means we should deffo trade up because it's the only way... just if people don't like that, what do they want?

 

[JTG]

Pretty sure this is inaccurate. I think Paris Johnson had brass as well as management at his pro day, then went and had dinner. Tbh given how it's filled out I don't understand what they mean by brass.



I don't think we should be holding up Bush as how all trade ups work. Polamalu and Santonio Holmes were fine. I think all of the the Eagles, Bills, and Chiefs traded up last year and they look fine too. The possibility that Bush would have worked out fine without that knee injury can't be dismissed either.

Also big difference making, franchise altering LTs go top 5. The fact that Paris Johnson probably ain't that is what makes trading up to 10 and getting him realistic. If we're not willing to trade up to the top 10 to get a probably above average but not amazing LT, then how are we getting one? Throwing a ton of darts at it and hoping to get lucky? Dumping money into it in FA? Hoping to get shit?

Or just saying screw it and go about with average OTs and premium IOL in the finest Steelers fashion?

I'm not saying this means we should deffo trade up because it's the only way... just if people don't like that, what do they want?

I would imagine "Brass" is Khan/Weild with maybe the addition of Tomlin? Its basically that thing I posted the other day in spreadsheet form.

And I agree with you. I actually specifically remember seeing all the OSU guys in a video sitting with Tomlin and Khan at Jeff Ruby's.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I needed a break from work, and my curiousity was piqued. Bresee, Broderick Jones, and Darnell Wright the team has spent the most time with.

Very cool! Thanks! I have seen this kind of data but not in a spreadsheet which is much easier to read and interpret for my engineer brain.

I do have a question. When did they have prior exposure to Bresee? JPJ and Addison makes sense for that column.

And Brass was at Will MacDonald IV (Took him to dinner as well) and anybody else at Iowa State. Plus they were at Alabama, Georgia. Check this out and it will fill you in. 2023 Pittsburgh Steelers Pro Day Tracker - Steelers Depot

 

[JTG]

I’d really like Jones at 17 or with a small trade up.

I’d like Wright at 17, but would not want to trade up for him.

I would not want Bresee at all in round one. Depending on how round one went, I wouldn’t hate it in round 2.

I am of the opinion that if they legitimately believe that one of these tackles is a legitimate 15 year LT, you go and get them. That being said, we have to be careful about what is the best this draft cycle v. what the big picture is. Many have said these tackles aren't franchise tackles, so in that case, trading up for one makes little sense.

Trading up from 17 and trading back from 32 seems like the best game plan for us.

Very cool! Thanks! I have seen this kind of data but not in a spreadsheet which is much easier to read and interpret for my engineer brain.

I do have a question. When did they have prior exposure to Bresee? JPJ and Addison makes sense for that column.

And Brass was at Will MacDonald IV (Took him to dinner as well) and anybody else at Iowa State. Plus they were at Alabama, Georgia. Check this out and it will fill you in. 2023 Pittsburgh Steelers Pro Day Tracker - Steelers Depot

I don't know. It was not outliined. I just wanted to make the article I posted a few days ago earlier to read. Whether the info in that article is accurate, I really don't know, as @Peat has said already.

 

[Peat]

Very cool! Thanks! I have seen this kind of data but not in a spreadsheet which is much easier to read and interpret for my engineer brain.

I do have a question. When did they have prior exposure to Bresee? JPJ and Addison makes sense for that column.

And Brass was at Will MacDonald IV (Took him to dinner as well) and anybody else at Iowa State. Plus they were at Alabama, Georgia. Check this out and it will fill you in. 2023 Pittsburgh Steelers Pro Day Tracker - Steelers Depot

Tomlin's had chats with Bresee at previous pro days I believe.

 

[xlm34]

The most recent mock drafts have both of those tackles picked right before us. I think we absolutely should get one if we can. Again as long as the price isn't egregious. But I don't think either will be there at 17.

Yeah I’m not too optimistic about them getting one of the tackles. I’ve seen rumors of Paris Johnson going as high as 3 which would be a really bad scenario for the Steelers.

 

[Ryder71]

Yeah I’m not too optimistic about them getting one of the tackles. I’ve seen rumors of Paris Johnson going as high as 3 which would be a really bad scenario for the Steelers.

If for some reason we miss out on the tackles I'd be all for getting the best player at a specific position, provided it's at least a position of need, if not a pressing need. For example last year we got the first quarterback off the board in Pickett and we got Harris the year before. So if we would go for another such scenario I'd be okay with that if we couldn't get the tackle. It's not my preference but it is what it is.

 

[Andy99]

Steelers have been so bad at smokescreens the last several years that it's almost comical.

Maybe it is different under Kahn and he's more into subterfuge, but if they move up and take anything but Carter or a T, I'll be floored.

Gerry Dulac in his chat today said unequivocally that the Steelers will only move up for one of Gonzalez or Witherspoon…not a tackle or Carter

 

[xlm34]

Gerry Dulac in his chat today said unequivocally that the Steelers will only move up for one of Gonzalez or Witherspoon…not a tackle or Carter

I’ll have to try to find his chat from last year. He said that the only player they would move up for would be Jordan Davis and the only QB they would take in round one was Willis.

I don’t know how plugged in he really is anymore.

 

[Pens1566]

I still want no part of JPJ at all. If his name was Bob Smith we wouldn't even be talking about him.

 

[Andy99]

I’ll have to try to find his chat from last year. He said that the only player they would move up for would be Jordan Davis and the only QB they would take in round one was Willis.

I don’t know how plugged in he really is anymore.

He’s the PG’s #1 beat reporter for the Steelers so that’s sad lol

 

[Peat]

Honestly if Dulac said that then I feel confident they'll only move up for a linesman.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I still want no part of JPJ at all. If his name was Bob Smith we wouldn't even be talking about him.

Totally disagree with that take. Bob (Robert) Smith was a pretty good NFL player.

 

[The Old Master]

Maybe I'm being misled by the amount of draft rumours and the Steelers' openness, but I just don't think its possible to keep stuff like that secret. Even if your own front office is completely watertight, other teams can still leak (and its arguably in their interest to do so to drive prices up), and teams can just start figuring things out based on your needs, where your scouts are going, your habits...

Someone's going to start talking about it. Best you can do is give them lots to talk about so they're not sure. But completely hiding it... I just don't see it.

oh sure you know teams are going to talk but you can throw them off by saying your looking to trade up for a cb when you are really looking at a ot or don't say who you're looking at and let them guess.

 

[Andy99]

Honestly if Dulac said that then I feel confident they'll only move up for a linesman.

This was one of several questions discussing this in his chat today lol

KN Phoenix: Hello . Thank you as always for the chat . The word on the street is that Steelers are going to trade up to #9 or 11 for an OT . Please tell me that they are not going to do it . Steelers have too many holes to give up draft capital , even if they recoup some of it from moving down from 32 spot . I like Omar Khan aggressiveness in FA but that will be a case of being aggressive to a fault . Thank you
Gerry Dulac: Do not always trust the word on the street. It's easy to say they could trade up or trade down because, well, yeah, they COULD trade up or trade down. They've done it in the past. It's a possibility, sure, but so is the Steelers winning the Super Bowl. But, if they do, I don't think it will be for an O-lineman. A CB, yeah. One of the DL they really like, yeah. But I think they will let the tackles fall to them.

 

[Ryder71]

Gerry Dulac in his chat today said unequivocally that the Steelers will only move up for one of Gonzalez or Witherspoon…not a tackle or Carter

I heard that about Gonzalez yes. And I would love to get Gonzalez but I'm not counting that as a real strong possibility. If they're not going to move up or at least try to move up to 13 or 14 to get one of the tackles can't say I'm thrilled about that.

 

[Ryder71]

This was one of several questions discussing this in his chat today lol

KN Phoenix: Hello . Thank you as always for the chat . The word on the street is that Steelers are going to trade up to #9 or 11 for an OT . Please tell me that they are not going to do it . Steelers have too many holes to give up draft capital , even if they recoup some of it from moving down from 32 spot . I like Omar Khan aggressiveness in FA but that will be a case of being aggressive to a fault . Thank you
Gerry Dulac: Do not always trust the word on the street. It's easy to say they could trade up or trade down because, well, yeah, they COULD trade up or trade down. They've done it in the past. It's a possibility, sure, but so is the Steelers winning the Super Bowl. But, if they do, I don't think it will be for an O-lineman. A CB, yeah. One of the DL they really like, yeah. But I think they will let the tackles fall to them.

Well I seriously doubt any of the tackles will fall to them. So then they're going to get a tackle later in the draft most likely that at best is a project. I do like Mauch from North Dakota state. I believe the Steelers did meet with him, at 49 if we don't address the issue prior I'd be interested. But they say he might be better off as a guard so who knows.

 

[Andy99]

Well I seriously doubt any of the tackles will fall to them. So then they're going to get a tackle later in the draft most likely that at best is a project. I do like Mauch from North Dakota state. I believe the Steelers did meet with him, at 49 if we don't address the issue prior I'd be interested. But they say he might be better off as a guard so who knows.

I don’t think any of the tackles are that special in this draft, no Tony Boselli…so I understand the thought of not moving up…there are four with a first round grade and probably 3 with a second/third round grade and Steelers will probably take one of them…also not convinced they don’t like Moore lol

 

[JTG]

How OK would people be with the Steelers trading 32 for 2024 picks? Because I think they could be very into that if it gets them more assets.

 

[Pengwins]

How OK would people be with the Steelers trading 32 for 2024 picks? Because I think they could be very into that if it gets them more assets.

no thanks. this draft is deeper than last years, especially at corner. not sure about next years. need to win now while Pickett is on a rookie deal

 

[pistolpete11]

I don't think we should be holding up Bush as how all trade ups work. Polamalu and Santonio Holmes were fine. I think all of the the Eagles, Bills, and Chiefs traded up last year and they look fine too. The possibility that Bush would have worked out fine without that knee injury can't be dismissed either.

Eagles, Bills, and Chiefs are in the Super Bowl or bust part of their arc. They are in position to throw some caution to the wind. The Steelers are still building and have too many holes to be spending extra assets on "fine".

Also big difference making, franchise altering LTs go top 5. The fact that Paris Johnson probably ain't that is what makes trading up to 10 and getting him realistic. If we're not willing to trade up to the top 10 to get a probably above average but not amazing LT, then how are we getting one? Throwing a ton of darts at it and hoping to get lucky? Dumping money into it in FA? Hoping to get shit?

Take one at 17, 32, or even 49.

There's not a ton separating the top 4. So there's either a whole lot of above average OT this year or you're reaching to trade up and get 1 of them.