OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

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I don’t think any of the tackles are that special in this draft, no Tony Boselli…so I understand the thought of not moving up…there are four with a first round grade and probably 3 with a second/third round grade and Steelers will probably take one of them…also not convinced they don’t like Moore lol
Right, but I think there is a decided drop from the first round caliber tackles to the second or third rounders. We're not going to be able to pick probably in this position for a long time. I just hope we maximize the draft capital that we have. And I would really hope that they would move up and get a Mainstay on the offensive line for the next 10 years if possible.

And the other thing is if we say want to pursue Broderick Jones or Darnell Wright we wouldn't have to move up that far to get either I wouldn't think. We have to move up to 12, 13 or 14, sure we'd have to pay for that but I don't think it would be an egregious amount.
 
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Gerry Dulac in his chat today said unequivocally that the Steelers will only move up for one of Gonzalez or Witherspoon…not a tackle or Carter

Same dude who said Steelers in no way were going to take a QB last year.

Then had a hissy fit because he was wrong and insisted it wasn’t the right move.

Anything could happen, but I put zero stock in what Dulac says
 
Eagles, Bills, and Chiefs are in the Super Bowl or bust part of their arc. They are in position to throw some caution to the wind. The Steelers are still building and have too many holes to be spending extra assets on "fine".


Take one at 17, 32, or even 49.

There's not a ton separating the top 4. So there's either a whole lot of above average OT this year or you're reaching to trade up and get 1 of them.

Most mocks I am seeing in the last week or so have all four of the top OTs gone before 17.

If it looked like you could just sit there and get Broderick Jones or Darnell Wright then great, fine, sit there.

But most mocks, Skoronski goes around 7 to 11, Paris Johnson goes between 7 and 14 (and occasionally as high as 3), and that little run of tackle hungry teams right in front of the Steelers swallows up Broderick Jones and Darnell Wright.

It's trade up or run a big risk of missing out. If we miss out, what's the plan? Just take a complete project and hope it's not a waste? Punt it to next year and hope the draft boards are more merciful?

I don't think it's a reach either. Paris Johnson is 8th on one consensus rankings and 11th on another. Taking such a guy at 9th or 10th is bang on schedule. I think people are overtalking his flaws. Yeah, he's not Evan Neal or Sewell... but those guys were going top 5. I think he's close to Charles Cross, and he went 9th. Safe LT prospects that should be plus guys going at around 10 looks about right. Broderick Jones at about 13 looks fine too. Can you get better value some years? Yeah. Are we going to? Dunno. Ideally this team is picking north of 20 again next year.

Finally, if spending to move up to the top 10 is throwing caution to the wind, what is relying on Dan Moore to protect your hopeful next franchise QB, or Le'Raven whatshisface if there's an injury?


I don't really like moving up. But I don't like the idea of relying on two of the league's more mediocre starters with zero competition to be the guys who protect the franchise's biggest investment either, and I don't see how that gets solved without a major investment in tackle at some point or a bit of luck. I'm happy for them to bite the bullet now.

I'd also make the point that if any move mirrors the rumoured Chicago move, you walk in with 2 picks and leave with 2 picks. Moving down from 32 or 49 isn't a nightmare in a draft that looks more deep than top heavy. The team can still fill holes.
 
Excited for this draft tomorrow. I really wish we could trade up and get a top CB like Gonzalez. Not likely, but hearing possibilities of trading up for Paris Johnson. If they go OLine first, like most ppl think, I’d rather it be Paris Johnson. After Peterson though, I really think we need a good CB, for once. Branch would be fun to grab too. A lot of scenarios can play out here, pending who if drafted early on what the Steelers do.
 
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Yahoo Sports writer, forget his name, had his latest mock today and the Steelers trade up to #8 with Atlanta for Paris Johnson and it costs them the #32 pick as well…yeah, no thanks…I don’t think the team should move up that high…I don’t think Johnson is the next 10-year Pro Bowl player in the making…the Steelers need a starting CB, which they absolutely have to have at 17 or 32…they need DL help, OLB help since Watt and Highsmith can’t play every snap and they need a SS because Kazee isn’t that and they really have no one else…if those top 4 tackles are gone by 17, then pick a corner and take Harrison or Bergeron in the second…
 
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Yahoo Sports writer, forget his name, had his latest mock today and the Steelers trade up to #8 with Atlanta for Paris Johnson and it costs them the #32 pick as well…yeah, no thanks…I don’t think the team should move up that high…I don’t think Johnson is the next 10-year Pro Bowl player in the making…the Steelers need a starting CB, which they absolutely have to have at 17 or 32…they need DL help, OLB help since Watt and Highsmith can’t play every snap and they need a SS because Kazee isn’t that and they really have no one else…if those top 4 tackles are gone by 17, then pick a corner and take Harrison or Bergeron in the second…
I want a CB as well, but who do you have in mind after Gonzalez and Witherspoon? To me, it drops a little after those two to the point where I almost would have them take a different position at 17 then grab a CB at some point after.
 
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Yahoo Sports writer, forget his name, had his latest mock today and the Steelers trade up to #8 with Atlanta for Paris Johnson and it costs them the #32 pick as well…yeah, no thanks…I don’t think the team should move up that high…I don’t think Johnson is the next 10-year Pro Bowl player in the making…the Steelers need a starting CB, which they absolutely have to have at 17 or 32…they need DL help, OLB help since Watt and Highsmith can’t play every snap and they need a SS because Kazee isn’t that and they really have no one else…if those top 4 tackles are gone by 17, then pick a corner and take Harrison or Bergeron in the second…
I would be very reluctant to trade 32 myself. Unless we trade 32 and move up late in the first round that is. I don't think we need to move up to number eight or nine. I'd be very content with Darnell Wright or Broderick jones. Yeah it'd be great to get Paris Johnson Jr, but I'd be happier if we traded to 12 or 13 and paid far less of a premium in doing so.
 
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I want a CB as well, but who do you have in mind after Gonzalez and Witherspoon? To me, it drops a little after those two to the point where I almost would have them take a different position at 17 then grab a CB at some point after.
Yeah, maybe, depends on who’s available at #17 who would be better than and higher ranked on their board than the next available CB…I like Banks better than JPJ and would consider him at 17 depending on who else is there, but there are several starting quality corners they could nab in round two…they could also trade back at 17 if there’s another team with interest and pick up a corner later in round one
 
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If we are high on branch I would suggest maybe we trade down a bit and Garner an extra pick. I would think we could get him at 22 or 23.
 
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Having 3 top 50 picks is exciting. I really hope if we do move up it’s not trading the 32nd as well. Always feel the value and the value charts are just so off and not worth it. We’ve got a chance to draft multiple impact guys this year, after what I feel has been a real strong off-season. Keep adding to the talent pool.
 
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Yeah, maybe, depends on who’s available at #17 who would be better than and higher ranked on their board than the next available CB…I like Banks better than JPJ and would consider him at 17 depending on who else is there, but there are several starting quality corners they could nab in round two…they could also trade back at 17 if there’s another team with interest and pick up a corner later in round one
Agreed. I also prefer Banks over JPJ as well.
 
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I also think if things are to fall the right way for us Houston with the number two overall pick need to take a quarterback. Because let's say we want to move up, if they don't take a quarterback with second overall, they're probably not going to want to trade their 12th overall pick cuz they'll undoubtedly want to pick one there. Well, unless they make trade or something for an established
NFL quarterback.

Agreed. I also prefer Banks over JPJ as well.
I don't know, if we got either of those guys at 17 I would think it's an okay pick, but I don't look at it as great value exactly. It wouldn't be the end of the world, but I wouldn't get overly excited about it.
 
Yahoo Sports writer, forget his name, had his latest mock today and the Steelers trade up to #8 with Atlanta for Paris Johnson and it costs them the #32 pick as well…yeah, no thanks…I don’t think the team should move up that high…I don’t think Johnson is the next 10-year Pro Bowl player in the making…the Steelers need a starting CB, which they absolutely have to have at 17 or 32…they need DL help, OLB help since Watt and Highsmith can’t play every snap and they need a SS because Kazee isn’t that and they really have no one else…if those top 4 tackles are gone by 17, then pick a corner and take Harrison or Bergeron in the second…

17 + 32 is too much. Even 17 + 32 for 8 + 75 is too much, that's losing an early 4th, although it's more palateable.

To me that's the big one. The number of picks in the first two days of this draft has to stay the same. I don't mind shopping in the 3rd for Edge and CB help, I see players I like there.

The deals that makes sense to me are 17 + 32 for 9 + 68, or 17 + 49 for 10 + 94.

I don’t think any of the tackles are that special in this draft, no Tony Boselli…so I understand the thought of not moving up…there are four with a first round grade and probably 3 with a second/third round grade and Steelers will probably take one of them…also not convinced they don’t like Moore lol

I'm still not sure they dislike him.

But I hate the depth and I suspect they do too. I think they have to do something. I think they're clearly planning to do something. At which point why not take the concrete no brainer going to work out almost certainly an upgrade?

Also, possible smokescreen, but they've shown no interest in any OT below Dawand Jones in this draft unless you think Mauch is an OT at the next level.

oh sure you know teams are going to talk but you can throw them off by saying your looking to trade up for a cb when you are really looking at a ot or don't say who you're looking at and let them guess.

But once you've done that once, teams are just going to start guessing, preparing for the worst and trading up to beat you on a suspicion. It's not like it's hard to guess what positions most teams are looking for, or what sort of players they like. I don't really see the advantage gained.

How OK would people be with the Steelers trading 32 for 2024 picks? Because I think they could be very into that if it gets them more assets.

I'd be okay with trading it for one 23 pick and one 24 pick. Like I'd do 43 + next year's 2nd from NYJ. Or 32 + next year's 3rd for next year's 1st and this year's 3rd. But it'd have to be the best offer on the table. Probably not ideal.
 
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To go from 20-10 for bush it was 20 and 2nds plus 3rd in the next year draft. They aren’t going to get to 8 without 32
 
To go from 20-10 for bush it was 20 and 2nds plus 3rd in the next year draft. They aren’t going to get to 8 without 32
We have too many holes to be mortgaging picks...I'd prefer to just take Wright if the LTs are swiped.

We aren't one star player away, we need to build a better roster.

Khan's draft tomorrow sets the tone for the Steelers over the next several years. We really need to hit.
 
Most mocks I am seeing in the last week or so have all four of the top OTs gone before 17.

If it looked like you could just sit there and get Broderick Jones or Darnell Wright then great, fine, sit there.

But most mocks, Skoronski goes around 7 to 11, Paris Johnson goes between 7 and 14 (and occasionally as high as 3), and that little run of tackle hungry teams right in front of the Steelers swallows up Broderick Jones and Darnell Wright.

It's trade up or run a big risk of missing out. If we miss out, what's the plan? Just take a complete project and hope it's not a waste? Punt it to next year and hope the draft boards are more merciful?

I don't think it's a reach either. Paris Johnson is 8th on one consensus rankings and 11th on another. Taking such a guy at 9th or 10th is bang on schedule. I think people are overtalking his flaws. Yeah, he's not Evan Neal or Sewell... but those guys were going top 5. I think he's close to Charles Cross, and he went 9th. Safe LT prospects that should be plus guys going at around 10 looks about right. Broderick Jones at about 13 looks fine too. Can you get better value some years? Yeah. Are we going to? Dunno. Ideally this team is picking north of 20 again next year.

Finally, if spending to move up to the top 10 is throwing caution to the wind, what is relying on Dan Moore to protect your hopeful next franchise QB, or Le'Raven whatshisface if there's an injury?


I don't really like moving up. But I don't like the idea of relying on two of the league's more mediocre starters with zero competition to be the guys who protect the franchise's biggest investment either, and I don't see how that gets solved without a major investment in tackle at some point or a bit of luck. I'm happy for them to bite the bullet now.

I'd also make the point that if any move mirrors the rumoured Chicago move, you walk in with 2 picks and leave with 2 picks. Moving down from 32 or 49 isn't a nightmare in a draft that looks more deep than top heavy. The team can still fill holes.
If the price to move up in the 1st is moving down from 32 or 49, then great. I doubt it, though.
 
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To go from 20-10 for bush it was 20 and 2nds plus 3rd in the next year draft. They aren’t going to get to 8 without 32
Well, I don't think we need to move up to number eight. I'm okay with trading down in the second or third round provided we get one of those tackles at say 12, 13 or 14. I don't even think we'd have to move from 32, we may have to give up 49 and get a pick later in the draft though. As long as we still get a draft pick say in the 4th or fifth round I consider it as I think a tackle is very important.
 
Let me ask you guys, if it guaranteed us either Jones or Darnell Wright, would you make a deal with the Green Bay Packers to trade for 13 and 78 and give up 17 and 49? That would mean we'd still have four picks in the top 80 but we'd have to slide down 29 spots in doing so. But then we get that offensive tackle we need and still hold on to pick 32 and not lose a pick in the draft.
 
Let me ask you guys, if it guaranteed us either Jones or Darnell Wright, would you make a deal with the Green Bay Packers to trade for 13 and 78 and give up 17 and 49? That would mean we'd still have four picks in the top 80 but we'd have to slide down 29 spots in doing so. But then we get that offensive tackle we need and still hold on to pick 32 and not lose a pick in the draft..
No because i don’t think value in RT only Wright is worth trading up for. Jones needs a year to work on technique.
Starks Smith Gilbert Adams were 2nd round picks.
I think 17 is a CB or pass rusher
 
Let me ask you guys, if it guaranteed us either Jones or Darnell Wright, would you make a deal with the Green Bay Packers to trade for 13 and 78 and give up 17 and 49? That would mean we'd still have four picks in the top 80 but we'd have to slide down 29 spots in doing so. But then we get that offensive tackle we need and still hold on to pick 32 and not lose a pick in the draft.
are Jones and Wright in reality that much better LTs than, say, Harrison, who we could probably nab at 32? If they aren’t tremendous difference makers, then just follow the board and grab a tackle on day two..I’d rather pick three quality starters in this draft than one who might be slightly better and the other two worse
 
I'd gamble sticking at 17. There's always a shocking reach or two that'll push guys down.

Hope for Wright at 17. If it's not there assess BPA and trade down if necessary to pickup more picks. I'm more interested in collecting good talent in bulk than putting our hope in the 2023 Devin Bush so to speak.

are Jones and Wright in reality that much better LTs than, say, Harrison, who we could probably nab at 32? If they aren’t tremendous difference makers, then just follow the board and grab a tackle on day two..I’d rather pick three quality starters in this draft than one who might be slightly better and the other two worse
Wright is a RT and would be a stalwart at the position IMO. But I'm not interested in selling premium picks for him or others.
 
are Jones and Wright in reality that much better LTs than, say, Harrison, who we could probably nab at 32? If they aren’t tremendous difference makers, then just follow the board and grab a tackle on day two..I’d rather pick three quality starters in this draft than one who might be slightly better and the other two worse
They were talking NFL draft today onTHEFAN, (Cook and Joe show) with Brian Baldinger, he felt Wright was the best OT iin the draft, mainly on the strength of playing and doing extremely well against the best competition.

His top CB? Devon Witherspoon. Says, he could have easily played in the 70's, because he of his physicality. Says he hits like a Mac truck.

fwiw

Everyday they talk to someone new, and just like us, everyone has their own favorite list.
 
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They were talking NFL draft today onTHEFAN, (Cook and Joe show) with Brian Baldinger, he felt Wright was the best OT iin the draft, mainly on the strength of playing and doing extremely well against the best competition.

His top CB? Devon Witherspoon. Says, he could have easily played in the 70's, because he of his physicality. Says he hits like a Mac truck.

fwiw

Everyday they talk to someone new, and just like us, everyone has their own favorite list.
Wright may be the best tackle in the draft but according to him, he’s also a RT…Steelers could use that too but they’re not as valued….speaking of tackles, BR gives his endorsement for Dan Moore sticking around as a starter lol…

 
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We have too many holes to be mortgaging picks...I'd prefer to just take Wright if the LTs are swiped.

We aren't one star player away, we need to build a better roster.

Khan's draft tomorrow sets the tone for the Steelers over the next several years. We really need to hit.

Do we?

I've said it a few times, but I'm looking at the roster and I see no reason it couldn't hit the playoffs as is. It is more or less the same roster as the one that was one win away with the main differences being Pickett should be making a jump, Watt shouldn't suffer a season-crippling injury, Seumalo should be a lot better than Dotson and in an OL that plays all season like the end of last season rather than the beginning, and the fear that we'll really miss Sutton if Peterson has his age drop off super quick. Which is three good things and maybe one bad one.

We do have some places where one injury feels potentially cataclysmic, but even there I think it's just Tackle and Edge.

If we're talking holes as in terms of plus starters who lift all boats and who can help us win a Super Bowl, then yeah... but even there, I wonder. The big hole is QB, we don't know how many other holes disappear if that one disappears. Which makes patching the holes around him all the more important, no?

Tbh, if everyone could stay fit and Pickett could take a jump, then I feel like the only *big* holes are Tackle and Cornerback. Bit of a race against time to get there before Heyward leaves a hole on DL, but I think we're closer than it may appear. Think Khan did a good job this offseason.

I dunno. I'm not straining at the leash to do it but I'm increasingly coming round to it being a good idea.

are Jones and Wright in reality that much better LTs than, say, Harrison, who we could probably nab at 32? If they aren’t tremendous difference makers, then just follow the board and grab a tackle on day two..I’d rather pick three quality starters in this draft than one who might be slightly better and the other two worse

Today? Yeah. Or there'd be no chance of nabbing him at 32. His play strength is notably behind them. He's probably about as good at controlling a pass rusher unless they manage to exploit that, but he's more exploitable there, but nowhere near the same run blocker. Also I hadn't realised until looking at his profile again, but he was a penalty magnet in college (14 in 2 seasons) while being protected by his college scheme. Wright only had 2 penalties last season while Jones was never called for holding at college, and they're both stronger. I've seen plenty of people talk about Harrison not being ready for a year, while Jones and Wright are.

Down the line? Possibly the same. Part of me would like to get Harrison and take a gamble on that. He's got good movement skills and length. I'm not sure he's got the same attitude. For a team that's talking over and over about the importance of the run game, I'm not sure how much they want him.

Part of me suspects that, for all of that one report about them not loving Dawand Jones' love ethic, they'd prefer him.

But we shall see. I would also note that while you probably get Harrison at 32, there might be a few squeaky bum moments at the end of the 1st. I've seen him thrown around as an option for Chiefs, Bills, and Bengals in the last week. If you absolutely must have him you've got to take him at 17, which would stink. If he's there at 32 you probably have to take him to be sure, which would make me grumpy as I want to trade down a little and pick up some late round picks to target quality in less premium positions (TE, C, ILB/SS). And yeah I know you'd potentially sacrifice that moving up anyway. But I'd rather sacrifice that in the name of getting someone where I'd be a little shocked if we were revisiting the position in a couple of years than jumping on a need with someone I didn't feel great about.

Besides, to flip the question... are Emmanuel Forbes, Kelee Ringo, and DJ Turner that much better at CB than Tyrique Stevenson or Darius Rush? Will McDonald vs Tuli Tulipulotu?
 
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