OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[Buddy Bizarre]

You didnt provide evidence, you provided someone saying they were fired up, and make a logical leap that, that anecdotal post hoc data is evidence.

The BEST case scenario is it is a single data point out of THOUSANDS of games. And thats only IF there is a real causation and not just correlation.

To attribute the reason for the Pats killing the Steelers was because Anthony smith talked shit rather than Anthony smith was a starting safety and couldnt cover, is wild man.

I said it's "A" reason. Not "THE" reason. And that's my point: why give your opponent another thing thats not necessary? It's bulletin board material. And I'll absolutely admit that emotion can only take you so far in a game. But once you run into an opponent that is emotional and they have early success, things can snowball quickly against you. I mean that Bengals game is a great example of where they hit JJ and he fumbled early, setting the tone.

Heck, they even talk about the A Smith thing in the Pats book. All week long BB kept talking about it to his team. The Pats were a fantastic team as it was. They even admit in the book that their game plan was to absolutely humiliate A Smith...to bury him. And during that season, Smith was emerging as very decent S for the Steelers. He was limited in coverage, but still found his way around the ball frequently. So he wasn't some scrub we found off the street. I think he was like a 2nd round pick.

 

[JTG]

Over under on 2 years before he’s arrested.

Under. And it's going to be a moving violation while intoxicated or something like that. I can all but guarantee it. He seems to lack any common sense or fear of ramifications.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Under. And it's going to be a moving violation while intoxicated or something like that. I can all but guarantee it. He seems to lack any common sense or fear of ramifications.

Maybe seeing his teammate and that girl die in front of him will help Carter grow up.

i suspect it may, but we’ll see.

 

[wheelz87]

Okudah for a 5th. Kids had some injuries but just 24. Has he really fallen that far? I’ll never understand nfl trades. Where you can take flyers on high potential guys like him for practically nothing. But if you’re a half decent qb you’re fetching multiple first rounders.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

So, we are up to pick 32 in the HFboards NFL mock draft and these are the players available:

Calijah Kancey
Bryan Bresee
Will McDonald IV
Emmanuel Forbes
Mazi Smith
Cam Smith
Josh Downs
Joe Tippman
JM Schmitz
Darnell Washington
Trenton Simpson
Drew Sanders

I already traded up with the 17th and 80th to the 14th to take Broderick Jones. So OT is taken care of. What do you guys, gals and theys think?

I’m also looking at trading down.

My thought is to go DL with Bresee or Mazi Smith. I think the Steelers would go with Will McDonald to provide coverage for TJ and Highsmith and to play the 60-70% of the snaps when they are taking a break.

 

[JTG]

So, we are up to pick 32 in the HFboards NFL mock draft and these are the players available:

Calijah Kancey
Bryan Bresee
Will McDonald IV
Emmanuel Forbes
Mazi Smith
Cam Smith
Josh Downs
Joe Tippman
JM Schmitz
Darnell Washington
Trenton Simpson
Drew Sanders

I already traded up with the 17th and 80th to the 14th to take Broderick Jones. So OT is taken care of. What do you guys, gals and theys think?

I’m also looking at trading down.

My thought is to go DL with Bresee or Mazi Smith. I think the Steelers would go with Will McDonald to provide coverage for TJ and Highsmith and to play the 60-70% of the snaps when they are taking a break.

I hope hope the board looks like this for us. I'd say Drew Sanders. Would have taken Mazi Smith with 47 if you still had it. I'm just not a Bresee fan. His talent is undeniable...but he has been really banged up in college and he doesn't get a ton of pressure. Josh Downs is the ultimate slot WR. Tippmann would be a fan favorite C/G prospect here. He's an animal. Big fan of Emmanuel Forbes, but his weight would really worry me. Darnell Washington doesn't have the production to warrant being picked this high. Trenton Simpson is Bush 2.0. Cam Smith could also be a really nice add.

Sanders, Cam Smith, Mazi Smith, Forbes, Tippmann would be my top 5 there.

Side note: The Athletic's Draft Guide is really well put together and something special. The time and effort put into it is undeniable.

 

[xlm34]

So, we are up to pick 32 in the HFboards NFL mock draft and these are the players available:

Calijah Kancey
Bryan Bresee
Will McDonald IV
Emmanuel Forbes
Mazi Smith
Cam Smith
Josh Downs
Joe Tippman
JM Schmitz
Darnell Washington
Trenton Simpson
Drew Sanders

I already traded up with the 17th and 80th to the 14th to take Broderick Jones. So OT is taken care of. What do you guys, gals and theys think?

I’m also looking at trading down.

My thought is to go DL with Bresee or Mazi Smith. I think the Steelers would go with Will McDonald to provide coverage for TJ and Highsmith and to play the 60-70% of the snaps when they are taking a break.

I don’t love the idea of Bresee at 17, but at 32 that’s a high risk-high reward pick I could get behind. On paper, he’s the perfect replacement for Heyward down the line.

With that board though trading down 5 or so picks and getting back a 4th might not be a bad move.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

So, we are up to pick 32 in the HFboards NFL mock draft and these are the players available:

Calijah Kancey
Bryan Bresee
Will McDonald IV
Emmanuel Forbes
Mazi Smith
Cam Smith
Josh Downs
Joe Tippman
JM Schmitz
Darnell Washington
Trenton Simpson
Drew Sanders

I already traded up with the 17th and 80th to the 14th to take Broderick Jones. So OT is taken care of. What do you guys, gals and theys think?

I’m also looking at trading down.

My thought is to go DL with Bresee or Mazi Smith. I think the Steelers would go with Will McDonald to provide coverage for TJ and Highsmith and to play the 60-70% of the snaps when they are taking a break.

If all the Steelers had to give up was pick 80 and they landed Jones and Cam Smith with their first two picks, I’d be ecstatic.

 

[JTG]

I don’t love the idea of Bresee at 17, but at 32 that’s a high risk-high reward pick I could get behind. On paper, he’s the perfect replacement for Heyward down the line.

With that board though trading down 5 or so picks and getting back a 4th might not be a bad move.

If all the Steelers had to give up was pick 80 and they landed Jones and Cam Smith with their first two picks, I’d be ecstatic.

Yeah, that really puts this roster in motion in a big way.

One guy I'd love to get our hands on is Andre Carter out of Army. I actually think with an NFL strength program he can totally be a 3-4 end. The dude is a very lean 265. If we can back up and get a 4th, he may still be there. Awesome developmental opportunity, and our DL room would be pretty good from a developmental standpoint with Cam still being productive and Leal, Loundermilk, and an addition of Carter, it would have potential to be really, really good.

Bresee is way too boom or bust for my liking. He just has not really intrigued me as a prospect. Van Ness has done way more in that regard for me.

 

[The Old Master]

i was thing things would be clearing up on who we would pick ........ i guess not.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I said it's "A" reason. Not "THE" reason. And that's my point: why give your opponent another thing thats not necessary? It's bulletin board material. And I'll absolutely admit that emotion can only take you so far in a game. But once you run into an opponent that is emotional and they have early success, things can snowball quickly against you. I mean that Bengals game is a great example of where they hit JJ and he fumbled early, setting the tone.

Heck, they even talk about the A Smith thing in the Pats book. All week long BB kept talking about it to his team. The Pats were a fantastic team as it was. They even admit in the book that their game plan was to absolutely humiliate A Smith...to bury him. And during that season, Smith was emerging as very decent S for the Steelers. He was limited in coverage, but still found his way around the ball frequently. So he wasn't some scrub we found off the street. I think he was like a 2nd round pick.

1. Smith was certainly a scrub, pedigree or not. Its why he started 19 games his entire career.

To attribute any of that or any other ass whoopin the Pats laid out that year to bulletin board material is so unbelievably silly.

It post hoc narrative that plays well on sports radio.

Id bet a paycheck that if you go through every game and find the teams “motivated” by narrative nonsense, they have exactly the winning percentage you would expect them to without it.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I selected Bryan Bresee. My thought is that they have heavily scouted him. The DL prospects aren’t great in this draft and getting a player with top 10 talent at 32 is too good to pass up.

He can learn from Cam and Ogunjobi and help contribute through rotation with them.

I still feel I can get a good CB at 49. Sorry Jiggy.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I selected Bryan Bresee. My thought is that they have heavily scouted him. The DL prospects aren’t great in this draft and getting a player with top 10 talent at 32 is too good to pass up.

He can learn from Cam and Ogunjobi and help contribute through rotation with them.

I still feel I can get a good CB at 49. Sorry Jiggy.

How the f*** am I suppose to sleep now?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

So, we are up to pick 32 in the HFboards NFL mock draft and these are the players available:

Calijah Kancey
Bryan Bresee
Will McDonald IV
Emmanuel Forbes
Mazi Smith
Cam Smith
Josh Downs
Joe Tippman
JM Schmitz
Darnell Washington
Trenton Simpson
Drew Sanders

I already traded up with the 17th and 80th to the 14th to take Broderick Jones. So OT is taken care of. What do you guys, gals and theys think?

I’m also looking at trading down.

My thought is to go DL with Bresee or Mazi Smith. I think the Steelers would go with Will McDonald to provide coverage for TJ and Highsmith and to play the 60-70% of the snaps when they are taking a break.

Forbes for me. I like him way more than Porter Jr. and I went to PSU.

His weight is a fair concern but I see someone that covers, consistently gets their head around and doesn’t need to be grabby or need to rely on their hands in space. Ball skills obv a major plus too.

Breese I want to like, I remember when he was in HS and he’s gone through a lot but I just simply don’t see it with him.

 

[JTG]

In typical Steelers "where there's smoke there's fire" fashion, I wouldn't be surprised to see them (over) select Kelee Ringo. I've seen far too many publications linking us to him. I think Ringo is an athletic freak, but it's almost like Artie Burns 2.0.

 

[Peat]

I'd have traded down from 32 if possible. Also, while my head says take a CB, or a coverage ILB, or a DL... my heart would have been "screw it, take Darnell Washington, bully bully bully!"

Breese I want to like, I remember when he was in HS and he’s gone through a lot but I just simply don’t see it with him.

So here's a thing.

How hard is it to coach a guy to play DL?

I get the feeling it generally doesn't take as much experience and skill as most positions, and it's more about sheer athleticism. But then I see a lot about how DL have one of the slowest adjustment periods in the NFL.

Basically... for DL, how much do you say "if he's got the athleticism, we can teach him"?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

So here's a thing.

How hard is it to coach a guy to play DL?

I get the feeling it generally doesn't take as much experience and skill as most positions, and it's more about sheer athleticism. But then I see a lot about how DL have one of the slowest adjustment periods in the NFL.

Basically... for DL, how much do you say "if he's got the athleticism, we can teach him"?

Not sure. I have to imagine it’s coachable, I feel like everyone that has the size/athleticism to play DL (especially 5 tech) and shows clear technical proficiency is a top 10 pick. And there’s a lot of guys that are good DL that weren’t. NFL in general also feels like traits matter more than how good you were as a collegian.

So I wouldn’t have a problem going with athlete over finished product- especially at a premium position- but Bresee just doesn’t show it. There’s a ton of tape on the Clemson DL vs opposing OLs on YouTube. He’s supposed to be this great athlete and I never see him really tap into that athleticism. Doesn’t convert it into splash plays on a consistent basis, much less disruption. Honestly if every write up didn’t call him athletic I wouldn’t really think he was from watching him.

To illustrate my point- I turn on Tyree Wilson, there’s warts but I completely understand why he could go top 5. I see the freaky athletic ability in pads versus live competiton. Van Ness- don’t love him but I see the raw power on tape even if it doesn’t always mean results. Kancey has freaky burst. Doesn’t mean they should all be high picks but I can wrap my head around why they’d be put in 1st round discussion.

Just can’t do that with Bresee imo. Maybe he’s just really had a rough go the last few years but with the other talent at 17, 32, 49.. I don’t bother personally.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

So Kiper has the Steelers taking a wide receiver in the first round. Because, you guessed it, he played with Tomlin's son at Boston College.

Steelers Take Wide Receiver In First Round Of Mel Kiper's Latest Mock Draft

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. dropped his latest two-round mock draft today, and he has the Steelers going in a direction we haven’t really seen in many mocks. At No. 17 overall, Kiper has the Steelers selecting Boston College wide receiver Zay Flowers, before turning around and grabbing...

steelersdepot.com

Sadly, this could very well prove to be true given a past such as Canada.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Kiper is an idiot. Zero chance the Steelers take Flowera at 17 with Paris Johnson Jr still on the board.

And the idiot says this the place where a run on WR could happen and the next WR is taken at like 22 then the next at like 34.

Just say no to Kiper.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Kiper is an idiot. Zero chance the Steelers take Flowera at 17 with Paris Johnson Jr still on the board.

And the idiot says this the place where a run on WR could happen and the next WR is taken at like 22 then the next at like 34.

Just say no to Kiper.

I agree. Mel Kiper hasn't been relevant for the past like 20 years

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Kiper grew up in Baltimore and is a Ravens fans.

I always take him with a grain of salt when it comes to mocking/grading Steeler’s picks.

I don’t think he has the best interests of the Steelers in mind, even if he tries hard to hide it.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I thought he was a Colts fan? And then when they moved he basically renounced any fandom to any team.

I'd have traded down from 32 if possible. Also, while my head says take a CB, or a coverage ILB, or a DL... my heart would have been "screw it, take Darnell Washington, bully bully bully!"

I would have liked to trade down as well but there is barely any trade movement in this mock. I'm the only one to make a trade in the 1st round and the guy I traded with in the first has made a trade in the 2nd. People are just making picks and haven't really been participating in the mock draft experience.

And I do really like the idea of Washington but I don't think he is worth taking at 32. And he is gone now anyways, so I can't take him at 49. But there are other really good TE's still left that could provide the slot receiver production but with a TE body. Which I kind of like over a true slot receiver.

 

[xlm34]

Zay Flowers at least is really good, and I don’t hate the idea of a WR in round one if they stay put and the tackles and CBs are gone. But Flowers over Paris Johnson Jr is insanity.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

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[Buddy Bizarre]

Zay Flowers at least is really good, and I don’t hate the idea of a WR in round one if they stay put and the tackles and CBs are gone. But Flowers over Paris Johnson Jr is insanity.

This years draft for Steelers is hard to call. Last 2 years I absolutely knew they'd take a QB and RB, just wasn't sure who.

Here are my predictions at the moment. I have a right to chance my mind

Round 1, Pick 17 CB Joey Porter, Jr. Penn State
Round 2, Pick 32 EDGE Drew Sanders, Arkansas