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Coastal Kev said:
I hope they trade down if possible. Looking at the players likely to be available, I don't see that much difference between 17-40.

If I had to guess, it will be Porter; my surprise pick would Kancey. But they could go NT, LT, LB or S as well. The only way to know would be to be in their room.

Based on this offseason so far, I'm trusting that they have a plan. Can't wait.
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There really isn't. I'd much rather have Seattle's two 2nd's than 17 if the tackles are all gone, and Gonzalez isn't there. I think Porter will be there at 32.
 
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JTG said:
There really isn't. I'd much rather have Seattle's two 2nd's than 17 if the tackles are all gone, and Gonzalez isn't there. I think Porter will be there at 32.
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I am all for trading down but not out of the 1st round altogether because of the 5th year option. I do think trading down from 32 is on the table
 
I do wonder if they’re going to be a little bit aggressive trying to trade up for one of the tackles. Just trying to put the pieces together, but it seems like plan A in free agency for the OL was make a play for Orlando Brown and then address the interior in the draft. Is plan B Seumalo plus a tackle in the draft?
 
SO far, the only questions this offseason are:

Was not paying Sutton, choosing Petterson a good move? If Sutton stars for the Lions.....

Okunjobi resigning at such a large number. Ton of injury problems and there were interesting players to be had for much cheaper options; Saunders, Roches, Tuttle & Rankins.
 
Coastal Kev said:
SO far, the only questions this offseason are:

Was not paying Sutton, choosing Petterson a good move? If Sutton stars for the Lions.....

Okunjobi resigning at such a large number. Ton of injury problems and there were interesting players to be had for much cheaper options; Saunders, Roches, Tuttle & Rankins.
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They chose Petterson cause they felt Sutton was better in the slot. Larry got half of what Hargrave got from the 49ers and hey got a similar deal from Chicago before the surgery last off season he will start tuttle and rankings are rotation guys
 
Late to the party but Seumalo is a legit upgrade to this team. What's a bit weird for me though is that the Steelers guards didn't really perform all that poorly last year. Here were the Steelers OL rankings according to PFF last year:

-Cole: 67.1
-Dotson: 65.4
-Daniels: 66.9
-Okorafor: 61.2
-Moore: 62.4

It's just a bit odd to see them adding a ton to their guards when their tackles seem to be a much bigger issue than their guards.

With that being said, it's also weird to see Dotson rank fine with PFF but also giving up a lot of sacks and penalties. He took the 2nd most penalties (12) and gave up the 4th most sacks (4), so I'm not sure how those two turn into a halfway decent PFF ranking.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Late to the party but Seumalo is a legit upgrade to this team. What's a bit weird for me though is that the Steelers guards didn't really perform all that poorly last year. Here were the Steelers OL rankings according to PFF last year:

-Cole: 67.1
-Dotson: 65.4
-Daniels: 66.9
-Okorafor: 61.2
-Moore: 62.4

It's just a bit odd to see them adding a ton to their guards when their tackles seem to be a much bigger issue than their guards.

With that being said, it's also weird to see Dotson rank fine with PFF but also giving up a lot of sacks and penalties. He took the 2nd most penalties (12) and gave up the 4th most sacks (4), so I'm not sure how those two turn into a halfway decent PFF ranking.
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Kinda calls into question the criteria and mechanism by which PFF arrives at its scores?

In any case, those kinds of scores are only partners to traditional stats and the eye test. If the FO is working to upgrade/replace a position. I’m going to trust that evaluation over their PFF score.

I’m hoping for some kind of upgrade at tackle too, though.
 
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Double-Shift Lasse said:
Kinda calls into question the criteria and mechanism by which PFF arrives at its scores?

In any case, those kinds of scores are only partners to traditional stats and the eye test. If the FO is working to upgrade/replace a position. I’m going to trust that evaluation over their PFF score.

I’m hoping for some kind of upgrade at tackle too, though.
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Yeah that's a valid point too. I have no complaints whatsoever with upgrading on Dotson. Cole and Daniels are really the only guys from the OL that I like, so I'm good with replacing literally everyone else.

I am curious to see where Herbig plays going forward, though. Seumalo clearly pushes Dotson out of his role, but is Herbig the backup now or is Dotson? Do any of these guys have an ability to play tackle as well?
 
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OnMyOwn said:
The Steelers are in a good spot. The problem is the AFC is a beast in general. If we were in the NFC, it’d be a different story.

I’m hopeful, even with Tomlin here forever. His one perk is the fact people want to play for him.
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Tomlin would be fine, probably great if he could surround himself with a pipeline of high end coordinators.

I’d go as far to say that’s the better set up. Head coach is a leader of men and a manager, assistants/coordinators are the X & Os guys.

I have little faith he will but better late than never. Took Andy Reid like 20 years but he’s on one of the best runs ever finally.
 
I would probably go Kancey over Branch, but that depends on if they are bringing back Edwards.

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I would not read too much into what the Steelers did as far as what will happen with the draft. Mostly because what the Steelers did was shore up their weakest spots so that they were not forced into a reach like they have done in the past for a position of desperate need.

They have options. Many many options.

They can trade down, up, stay and see what falls.

The entire point is that they no longer are forced into anything. They can operate from a position of strength.

Not a bad place to be.
 
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Jaded-Fan said:
I would not read too much into what the Steelers did as far as what will happen with the draft. Mostly because what the Steelers did was shore up their weakest spots so that they were not forced into a reach like they have done in the past for a position of desperate need.

They have options. Many many options.

They can trade down, up, stay and see what falls.

The entire point is that they no longer are forced into anything. They can operate from a position of strength.

Not a bad place to be.
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and it feels so good! now if only the pen's:nod:
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Late to the party but Seumalo is a legit upgrade to this team. What's a bit weird for me though is that the Steelers guards didn't really perform all that poorly last year. Here were the Steelers OL rankings according to PFF last year:

-Cole: 67.1
-Dotson: 65.4
-Daniels: 66.9
-Okorafor: 61.2
-Moore: 62.4

It's just a bit odd to see them adding a ton to their guards when their tackles seem to be a much bigger issue than their guards.

With that being said, it's also weird to see Dotson rank fine with PFF but also giving up a lot of sacks and penalties. He took the 2nd most penalties (12) and gave up the 4th most sacks (4), so I'm not sure how those two turn into a halfway decent PFF ranking.
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Outside of throwing a massive deal at Orlando Brown, there really weren’t many upgrades available at tackle. Good tackles rarely hit free agency and if they do, they’re getting a bag.

And yeah I’d love to see PFF explain how Dotson and Daniels had similar years. Or how Moore was better than Chuks.
 
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xlm34 said:
Outside of throwing a massive deal at Orlando Brown, there really weren’t many upgrades available at tackle. Good tackles rarely hit free agency and if they do, they’re getting a bag.

And yeah I’d love to see PFF explain how Dotson and Daniels had similar years. Or how Moore was better than Chuks.
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Yeah Daniels only took 5 penalties and didn't give up a sack last year, so it definitely is odd to see.
 
I know Moore had an awful grade in the first half of the season but it really went up second half. My guess is he got real strong run grades. I dunno if there's any way to see his pass grades...

Also, fwiw, Kaboly thinks they'll pick a WR early.
 
Peat said:
I know Moore had an awful grade in the first half of the season but it really went up second half. My guess is he got real strong run grades. I dunno if there's any way to see his pass grades...

Also, fwiw, Kaboly thinks they'll pick a WR early.
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I would be fine with taking a WR with the pick they got for Claypool. They have filled a lot of needs in free agency already and got the pick for a WR to begin with. I would absolutely not use 17 on a WR, but if a 1st round caliber WR fell to 32, I'd easily pull the trigger.

The interesting thing to think about with that pick is with Addison. If Addison falls to 32, I think it's an absolute no brainer to take him there. Most boards have him in the 25-45 range, so it's not really a stretch to think he'd be available at that point.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Late to the party but Seumalo is a legit upgrade to this team. What's a bit weird for me though is that the Steelers guards didn't really perform all that poorly last year. Here were the Steelers OL rankings according to PFF last year:

-Cole: 67.1
-Dotson: 65.4
-Daniels: 66.9
-Okorafor: 61.2
-Moore: 62.4

It's just a bit odd to see them adding a ton to their guards when their tackles seem to be a much bigger issue than their guards.

With that being said, it's also weird to see Dotson rank fine with PFF but also giving up a lot of sacks and penalties. He took the 2nd most penalties (12) and gave up the 4th most sacks (4), so I'm not sure how those two turn into a halfway decent PFF ranking.
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I think Moore and Dotson "Melichar'd" each other. One was as bad as the other, and I'm not sure what one was the culprit. Seumalo has been a RG, so I'm curious if Daniels will move to LG. I still believe Moore could be a good G in this league.

Empoleon8771 said:
I would be fine with taking a WR with the pick they got for Claypool. They have filled a lot of needs in free agency already and got the pick for a WR to begin with. I would absolutely not use 17 on a WR, but if a 1st round caliber WR fell to 32, I'd easily pull the trigger.

The interesting thing to think about with that pick is with Addison. If Addison falls to 32, I think it's an absolute no brainer to take him there. Most boards have him in the 25-45 range, so it's not really a stretch to think he'd be available at that point.
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I don't think Boutte gets enough talk. He could be great here and a nice duo with Pickens. Also JSN could be outrageously good here working from the slot with CA3 working on the outside.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I would be fine with taking a WR with the pick they got for Claypool. They have filled a lot of needs in free agency already and got the pick for a WR to begin with. I would absolutely not use 17 on a WR, but if a 1st round caliber WR fell to 32, I'd easily pull the trigger.

The interesting thing to think about with that pick is with Addison. If Addison falls to 32, I think it's an absolute no brainer to take him there. Most boards have him in the 25-45 range, so it's not really a stretch to think he'd be available at that point.
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Unless there’s an egregious faller, I wouldn’t be too mad at Addison or JSN even at 17. Look how many viable pass catchers both the Chiefs and Eagles had, each team was like 5-6 deep.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
Tbh you could reasonably argue drafting any position that’s not QB, RB, or FS early makes sense.

Some positions are more glaring than others but BPA seemingly wins again.
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I am of the belief you take talent regardless of position. People talked about that with Quinton Nelson. "Oh he's a G, you shouldn't take a G that high in the draft." The dude is a tone setter for any offensive line he has been a part of. You want guys like him on your team regardless of position.

I'm not sure the guys we brought in will be drastic upgrades on what we lost, but one thing that is drastically different is the character and mental make up of these guys come in. There is a huge difference there, and that should make an impact.
 
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JTG said:
I don't think Boutte gets enough talk. He could be great here and a nice duo with Pickens. Also JSN could be outrageously good here working from the slot with CA3 working on the outside.
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Addison is a little less scary because he actually played last year but I think JSN is WR1 if you think both end up as slot WRs. The 2021 tape is crazy.

If you think Addison can play outside then he’s probably WR1.

Have always liked Boutte but there’s so many red flags both with his play and off the field stuff that I think it’s gotta be 49 at the earliest. Because even though I like him I could see him being an absolute bust.
 
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