OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[Goalie_Bob]

They signed Herbig to replace Dotson.

As far as Daniels moving from LG to RG, who cares? If Daniels likes the position and doesn't have a problem with it then I don't see where the issue is.

And the reason for Chuks playing RT is because Moore can't play RT. They tried it his rookie year in camp and it was a disaster. Some tackles can play both sides but some can't, just the way it is. I've seen a few mock drafts having the Steelers take a RT at 17 and then moving Chuks to LT.

Which leads us to a good discussion. Trevvor Sikkema of PFF put out a new 3 round mock and the first round is probably the worst case for the Steelers. The top 4 LT, top 3 CB + Brian Branch and Jalen Carter have been picked before 17. So, it's a good discussion point. What would you like the Steelers to do?

My thought would be to trade down if they are going to pick a RT. I think they could trade down to the mid 20's and still get Dawand Jones or Darnell Wright. Pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I wouldn’t call them bottom tier. Ya, at the beginning of the season they were, but with five guys who never played together and a new o-line coach struggles were inevitable.

After the bye week they became at worst a middle of the pack o-line, and I’d lay that fault mostly at the feet of the left side.

Consider before the bye they only rushed for 95 YPG and yielded 2.6 sacks per game. After the bye they had awesome improvement to 146 rushing and 1.8 sacks per game.

They went 7-2 during this surge in o-line play.

The right side is extremely good in pass protection and Daniels was a boss who only allowed 5 pressures all season.

Chuks only let up two sacks all season and was much better in the run game.

Cole was really steady and will just keep getting better I suspect.

The issue is the left side - Moore and Dotson are good in the run game, but poor pass blockers.

Dotson is just inconsistent as hell and a laundry machine, which is a big ass issue.

Moore… he’s really good in the run game, but hot garbage in pass protection. Especially against speed/bull rushers.

Moore let up ten pressures and seven sacks. That can’t happen again if they want KP healthy and to be a star.

Your LT for KP is his blindside and that’s exactly why they need to upgrade the position.

KP’s health should be their top priority, and having Moore protecting his blindside again is playing Russian roulette with KP’s longevity in this league.

I wanted to clarify that I said "bottom tier OFFENSE" , not Oline. Yes the Oline was in the middle of the pack, but the Offense in it's entirety was in the bottom tier.

Having that LT will make everyone's life easier and can propel this offense to middle of the pack if not better.
And I am lukewarm on the results at the end of the year and believe people put too much weight on it.

First part of the season was a murderer's row of teams. 2nd half was much easier, so wherever they ended up from an average standpoint aligns with how good they are in my mind.

 

[xlm34]

Back to the Oline:

We took a good guard who could block on the move and moved him to Center while tasking him almost exclusively to block in a phone booth.
We took a really good RG prospect in Dotson and played him at LG aside from one game in 2020.
We have a good LT prospect in Chuks playing RT.
We signed a great LG FA and immediately moved him to RG.

Somebody make it make sense.

Daniels played RG almost as much as LG in Chicago and was very good at RG last year so I don’t really see any problem there.

When Chuks came in, AV was still playing well, but when he left, the plan was to move Chuks to LT. Then Banner wasn’t healthy enough to play RT so they were forced into starting Moore at LT and keeping Chuks at Rt.

For Dotson, if you can only play one position on the interior, you better be the best in the league or else you’re kind of useless. I also don’t think a move to RG fixes the mental lapses that Dotson suffers from.

We saw this preseason that Green sucks at guard just as much as he did at center.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Have you considered their performance may be impacted due to what side they're on?

Ive considered it.

And it very well may be a factor. But the odds of it being the determining factor, rather than talent is unlikely.

These weren't cant miss studs forced out of position. These were borderline guys, who play like borderline guys.

Theres a better chance that the side doesn't matter at all than it being “the reason” for their poor performance.

For all we know the reason they play the spot they are playing is because at this level thats their best spot. Or at least thats the best combo of the 5 guys that are available.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I wanted to clarify that I said "bottom tier OFFENSE" , not Oline. Yes the Oline was in the middle of the pack, but the Offense in it's entirety was in the bottom tier.

Having that LT will make everyone's life easier and can propel this offense to middle of the pack if not better.
And I am lukewarm on the results at the end of the year and believe people put too much weight on it.

First part of the season was a murderer's row of teams. 2nd half was much easier, so wherever they ended up from an average standpoint aligns with how good they are in my mind.

Ya my bad.

I don’t know if a great LT will change things in terms of offensive production if Canada doesn’t become a better play caller.

It’s hard to quantify because playcalling is so vital to an offense’s success.

I feel like they would need a great LT AND another can’t miss weapon at WR to make the offense almost dummy proof for Canada.

 

[xlm34]

They signed Herbig to replace Dotson.

As far as Daniels moving from LG to RG, who cares? If Daniels likes the position and doesn't have a problem with it then I don't see where the issue is.

And the reason for Chuks playing RT is because Moore can't play RT. They tried it his rookie year in camp and it was a disaster. Some tackles can play both sides but some can't, just the way it is. I've seen a few mock drafts having the Steelers take a RT at 17 and then moving Chuks to LT.

Which leads us to a good discussion. Trevvor Sikkema of PFF put out a new 3 round mock and the first round is probably the worst case for the Steelers. The top 4 LT, top 3 CB + Brian Branch and Jalen Carter have been picked before 17. So, it's a good discussion point. What would you like the Steelers to do?

My thought would be to trade down if they are going to pick a RT. I think they could trade down to the mid 20's and still get Dawand Jones or Darnell Wright. Pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd.

Trading down would probably be my preference as well. I don’t think there’s going to be a massive difference in quality between who you would pick at 17 and who you would pick in the late 20s if the top guys are gone.

I think the Steelers may go with Banks from Maryland in that scenario though. They seem to really like Bresee as well but I’m pretty iffy on him.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Ya my bad.

I don’t know if a great LT will change things in terms of offensive production if Canada doesn’t become a better play caller.

It’s hard to quantify because playcalling is so vital to an offense’s success.

I feel like they would need a great LT AND another can’t miss weapon at WR to make the offense almost dummy proof for Canada.

It doesn’t have to be dummy proof. They will use more 2 te less 3 wr add play action and play like Tennessee next year add more runs by Qb and more rpo like the giants did

 

[JTG]

Well, lets see...

Jack - cut
Bush - let him walk
Spillane - let him walk

I can't remember this team ever nuking a position like this in one off season.

The only leftover is a 7th round pick.

I think they really like Simpson. He's the perfect WILL linebacker for today's NFL, and he can play multiple positions. I'm a huge Sanders and Campbell fan also. I don't think this LB group lacks depth. It's just a different kind of linebacker in this draft - a lot of undersized guys, but that's sort of where the ILB position is going. I know one guy I'd look seriously into is Noah Sewell as a MIKE linebacker. He's built to be a 3-4 MIKE.

 

[JTG]

They signed Herbig to replace Dotson.

As far as Daniels moving from LG to RG, who cares? If Daniels likes the position and doesn't have a problem with it then I don't see where the issue is.

And the reason for Chuks playing RT is because Moore can't play RT. They tried it his rookie year in camp and it was a disaster. Some tackles can play both sides but some can't, just the way it is. I've seen a few mock drafts having the Steelers take a RT at 17 and then moving Chuks to LT.

Which leads us to a good discussion. Trevvor Sikkema of PFF put out a new 3 round mock and the first round is probably the worst case for the Steelers. The top 4 LT, top 3 CB + Brian Branch and Jalen Carter have been picked before 17. So, it's a good discussion point. What would you like the Steelers to do?

My thought would be to trade down if they are going to pick a RT. I think they could trade down to the mid 20's and still get Dawand Jones or Darnell Wright. Pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd.

Daniels played RG. Dotson played LG. Dotson has said he's more comfortable playing RG, but they kept him at LG.

If we are really in worst case scenario, I'd try to get two 2nd's for our first. Pick Wright at 32 to play RT.

I actually think Daniels and Cole should be flip flopped. Daniels was a much better college center and Cole is longer and more athletic than Daniels.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Guy gave up 12 sacks good luck

Daniels played RG. Dotson played LG. Dotson has said he's more comfortable playing RG, but they kept him at LG.

If we are really in worst case scenario, I'd try to get two 2nd's for our first. Pick Wright at 32 to play RT.

Dotson sucks he barely beat out green. Moats has said that he doesn’t take care of his body both of the concussions KP got were because of Dotson

I think they really like Simpson. He's the perfect WILL linebacker for today's NFL, and he can play multiple positions. I'm a huge Sanders and Campbell fan also. I don't think this LB group lacks depth. It's just a different kind of linebacker in this draft - a lot of undersized guys, but that's sort of where the ILB position is going. I know one guy I'd look seriously into is Noah Sewell as a MIKE linebacker. He's built to be a 3-4 MIKE.

Simpson is bush 2.0

 

[JTG]

Simpson is bush 2.0

Except they aren't remotely the same player the way they play the position and Simpson is 4 inches taller.

Simpson isn't my ideal - I'd rather have Campbell or Sanders, but I think a good defensive coordinator can get creative with Simpson because he can do so many different things.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

They signed Herbig to replace Dotson.

As far as Daniels moving from LG to RG, who cares? If Daniels likes the position and doesn't have a problem with it then I don't see where the issue is.

And the reason for Chuks playing RT is because Moore can't play RT. They tried it his rookie year in camp and it was a disaster. Some tackles can play both sides but some can't, just the way it is. I've seen a few mock drafts having the Steelers take a RT at 17 and then moving Chuks to LT.

Which leads us to a good discussion. Trevvor Sikkema of PFF put out a new 3 round mock and the first round is probably the worst case for the Steelers. The top 4 LT, top 3 CB + Brian Branch and Jalen Carter have been picked before 17. So, it's a good discussion point. What would you like the Steelers to do?

My thought would be to trade down if they are going to pick a RT. I think they could trade down to the mid 20's and still get Dawand Jones or Darnell Wright. Pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd.

Definitely trade down if no LT/DL/CB are available

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think they really like Simpson. He's the perfect WILL linebacker for today's NFL, and he can play multiple positions. I'm a huge Sanders and Campbell fan also. I don't think this LB group lacks depth. It's just a different kind of linebacker in this draft - a lot of undersized guys, but that's sort of where the ILB position is going. I know one guy I'd look seriously into is Noah Sewell as a MIKE linebacker. He's built to be a 3-4 MIKE.

It’s hard to tell what they think now of their ILB, but the new group is much faster and more athletic.

They need to add one more guy to the room, so I suspect they will draft an ILB. Just not sure it will be with their first three picks.

I suspect they will focus on the trenches and CB, then in the third round turn their eye towards WR and ILB.

It doesn’t have to be dummy proof. They will use more 2 te less 3 wr add play action and play like Tennessee next year add more runs by Qb and more rpo like the giants did

It’s Canada - it has to be dummy proof.

Expecting him to turn into a good coordinator is like expecting Moore to turn into a good LT.

 

[Pengwins]

There's been a bunch of free agent DT signings around the league that I think would have been better than our Larry O deal

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Except they aren't remotely the same player the way they play the position and Simpson is 4 inches taller.

Simpson isn't my ideal - I'd rather have Campbell or Sanders, but I think a good defensive coordinator can get creative with Simpson because he can do so many different things.

There’s scouting reports say he has no instincts he is a converted safety and just run’s and hits. He is a guy like Simmons in Arizona with no position. He is a money backer which is what Edmunds was for us

 

[bigdaddyk88]

It’s hard to tell what they think now of their ILB, but the new group is much faster and more athletic.

They need to add one more guy to the room, so I suspect they will draft an ILB. Just not sure it will be with their first three picks.

I suspect they will focus on the trenches and QB, then in the third round turn their eye towards WR and ILB.



It’s Canada - it has to be dummy proof.

Expecting him to turn into a good coordinator is like expecting Moore to turn into a good LT.

I don’t think Moore has to be a great LT he is serviceable again they had Starks Villanueva playing LT in the Super bowl runs. I don’t need canada to be elite either the offense will go as far as they do based on growth and work off the field. Tomlin and the defense is being rebuilt to get guys who take the ball away and hopefully gives the offense short field. They aren’t going to ask the offense to win games

There's been a bunch of free agent DT signings around the league that I think would have been better than our Larry O deal

He got the going rate for starting DL. DL and MLB are getting paid because the draft is weak on those positions

 

[JTG]

There’s scouting reports say he has no instincts he is a converted safety and just run’s and hits. He is a guy like Simmons in Arizona with no position. He is a money backer which is what Edmunds was for us

He has stated he sees himself as a WILL and he is inexperienced in the position still, but he has made strides. He has experience covering slot, rushing from the outside, and playing deep. If you are going to make me pick Simpson or Edmunds - it's Simpson 10/10 times, except they also do different things.

It’s hard to tell what they think now of their ILB, but the new group is much faster and more athletic.

They need to add one more guy to the room, so I suspect they will draft an ILB. Just not sure it will be with their first three picks.

I suspect they will focus on the trenches and CB, then in the third round turn their eye towards WR and ILB.



It’s Canada - it has to be dummy proof.

Expecting him to turn into a good coordinator is like expecting Moore to turn into a good LT.

Yeah, I think they draft one also. It's hard to know where Sanders and Campbell are slotted in because I have seen them anywhere from 1st round picks to 3rd round picks. Simpson is pretty steady in the bottom of the 1st to top of the 2nd. The front office has spent a lot of time with Simpson though.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Elandon Roberts is an interesting signing. I thought the Steelers would have interest in him last year with the Flores connection to Roberts in both Miami and New England before that but it didn't happen.

Last year Elandon Roberts posted 4.5 sacks, 10 tackles for loss and 6 QB hits.

The group of Myles Jack, Devin Bush, Robert Spillane and Mark Robinson combined only produced 1 sack, 9 tackles for loss and 5 QB hits. This entire MLB core also produced zero interceptions, zero forced fumbles and zero fumble recoveries. I guess you can see why they are revamping that group this off-season

Is anybody that scheme? Do the Steelers not ask their ILBs to attack behind the line of scrimmage on passing situations?

 

[The Old Master]

Definitely trade down if no LT/DL/CB are available

i just don't think that's possible. but strange things do happen.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I don’t think Moore has to be a great LT he is serviceable again they had Starks Villanueva playing LT in the Super bowl runs. I don’t need canada to be elite either the offense will go as far as they do based on growth and work off the field. Tomlin and the defense is being rebuilt to get guys who take the ball away and hopefully gives the offense short field. They aren’t going to ask the offense to win games


He got the going rate for starting DL. DL and MLB are getting paid because the draft is weak on those positions

I said last summer that’s how this offense would need to play to win games, and it proved true. But that was based on the idea of two new QBs and an o line that needed time to gel.

Thanks no longer the case.

The offense has to evolve into one that allows KP to be the main catalyst.

It’s going to be almost impossible to win in the playoffs, let alone a SB if KP isn’t carrying this team.

He now has a year under his belt in the NFL and an entire off-season to study/get chemistry with his receivers.

Better to find out sooner than later if he’s up for being a franchise guy.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Definitely trade down if no LT/DL/CB are available

i just don't think that's possible. but strange things do happen.

Depends not only on who’s not there but who remains. And how far down you can go. I mean getting more picks and still getting who you want is always nice in theory.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I said last summer that’s how this offense would need to play to win games, and it proved true. But that was based on the idea of two new QBs and an o line that needed time to gel.

Thanks no longer the case.

The offense has to evolve into one that allows KP to be the main catalyst.

It’s going to be almost impossible to win in the playoffs, let alone a SB if KP isn’t carrying this team.

He now has a year under his belt in the NFL and an entire off-season to study/get chemistry with his receivers.

Better to find out sooner than later if he’s up for being a franchise guy.

They didn’t ask ben to win or carry the team until year 4 they aren’t rushing KP. You can win in the playoffs with defense still 49ers are proof just can’t have turnovers from the Qb position. Ben was a game manager with his play off success. KP isn’t nearly as a talented as Ben. Definitely better team mate and seems to take film room and off season work outs more seriously

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Is anybody that scheme? Do the Steelers not ask their ILBs to attack behind the line of scrimmage on passing situations?

They havent recently but its hard to know if thats because they generally dont or if its because they know they dont have the personnel.

Id expect it will be Roberts primary role any time hes on the field. Run straight and hit something.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

They didn’t ask ben to win or carry the team until year 4 they aren’t rushing KP. You can win in the playoffs with defense still 49ers are proof just can’t have turnovers from the Qb position. Ben was a game manager with his play off success. KP isn’t nearly as a talented as Ben. Definitely better team mate and seems to take film room and off season work outs more seriously

The game has changed since 2005 and is more of a passing league than ever.

They have to get past Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Rodgers?, Herbert and Lawrence just in the AFC.

Roth threw all over Cincy, Indy and Den in the first half of those playoff games and set the stage for them to play Cowher ball in the second half.

I’m not saying let him sling it 40x a game, but they have to take the reigns off and let him play QB.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The game has changed since 2005 and is more of a passing league than ever.

They have to get past Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Rodgers?, Herbert and Lawrence just in the AFC.

Roth threw all over Cincy, Indy and Den in the first half of those playoff games and set the stage for them to play Cowher ball in the second half.

I’m not saying let him sling it 40x a game, but they have to take the reigns off and let him play QB.

Yeah but they are going to treat Kp like Dak he is 16-22 when he throws 35 times a game. Not worried about Rodgers they will finish 3rd with him in the east. The East will eat itself like the afc West did last year. I don’t think they win a championship in the next 2 years I think they will win a playoff game this upcoming season

Burrow saying he didn’t understand nfl open on year 3 hurts didn’t pop until year 3 the dolphins went all in on tua in year 3. Allen didn’t pop until year 3. I don’t expect anything until year 3 from kp