OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[CheckingLineCenter]

I like hearing this from Khan.

He came across very well yesterday imo. I’m a fan so far.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Does anyone else almost despise talking hockey here anymore? I only come for the football talk.

Ya, only here for Steelers talk… haven’t watched the Pens outside of a couple games in the last two years.

Found much better uses of my time.

I’ll always love the Pens, but as you get older you realize wasting your time on an org living in their own delusions is a silly waste of time.

Until they commit to a full rebuild, I’ll find other uses for my time.

Oh boy.

Damn… hope he doesn’t get off just because of who he is.

Looks like he was racing with the car that crashed, but not sure what kind of legal jeopardy that would put him in.

Sounds like it will be a charge of reckless driving, which I doubt alone will change his draft status. The lying to cops thing I dunno…

Guessing it will be two misdemeanors, but maybe Andy could shed some more light on it.

Unfortunately his teammate and the trainer are dead, but it was their choice to do something stupid so…

 

[Pens1566]

Damn… hope he doesn’t get off just because of who he is.

Looks like he was racing with the car that crashed, but not sure what kind of legal jeopardy that would put him in.

Sounds like it will be a charge of reckless driving, which I doubt alone will change his draft status. The lying to cops thing I dunno…

Unfortunately his teammate and the trainer are dead, but it was their choice to do something stupid so…

Yep, if he did it then he should face the consequences.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Unfortunately his teammate and the trainer are dead, but it was their choice to do something stupid so…

Exactly this. Carter didn't make them race him. They made a choice, a bad choice but they made it. Carter should see some reprocussions but he should not receive jail time and I don't believe this will affect his draft status.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Ya I don’t want to be a hypocrite in this Carter thing because I raced my friends on the highways various times as a teen late at night.

I hit 100 mph and was stupid as hell… we did brake jobs on each other just driving around and almost caused a few accidents.

We even played chicken with a bus in a parking lot once.

Fortunately none of us ever got hurt and no one died, but that was just dumb luck really.

Hopefully the statue of limitations is up for me and OMO doesn’t arrest me.

 

[JTG]

Yeah, he left the scene of an accident, but I'm not sure what else he could be prosecuted for?

I'd still take him at 17. There have been concerns about Carter's maturity, but he has also shown that he has a good heart and he's a good kid. One would hope that he would grow up, and I think we have guys on our defense that could keep him on the straight and narrow.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Absolutely, if Carter is there at 17 they better take him.

I don't see that happening though, he still goes top 5.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Absolutely, if Carter is there at 17 they better take him.

I don't see that happening though, he still goes top 5.

I can’t see him slipping out of the top 5.

Let’s be honest, the NFL doesn’t give a shit about some dude racing a car and a couple ppl dying.

They will drool over his immense talent and brush off any immaturity concerns.

 

[xlm34]

Someone will take him pretty high unless more comes out, but If I’m the Bears I’m not touching the dude. And before I was pretty certain they’d just trade down to 4 and take whichever of Carter or Anderson was left.

Waiving this off as immaturity is an NFL thing to do, but there’s immaturity, and then there’s being involved in a drunken street race that leads to your friends getting killed, leaving the scene, and then coming back and lying to the police about it.

I don’t know. Different circumstances but I think back to Tunsil sliding like 10 picks because the gas mask video. And this to me is way worse.

 

[Arkadiusz]

CBS (Trapasso) just mocked him falling to us
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The Steelers stop the Carter fall and feel they have the right coaching structure and locker room to handle everything that will come with making this selection.

 

[Peat]

A wrinkle to be considered about how far Carter will fall is any team that wants a disruptive three downs DL doesn't really have a whole bunch of options other than Carter if he's there. There's no Ronnie Stanley to use the Tunsil comp. The closest you have is Bresee, who's all over the place in terms of rankings, and then the void.

It's gonna make it that bit easier for teams to talk themselves into Carter.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Someone will take him pretty high unless more comes out, but If I’m the Bears I’m not touching the dude. And before I was pretty certain they’d just trade down to 4 and take whichever of Carter or Anderson was left.

Waiving this off as immaturity is an NFL thing to do, but there’s immaturity, and then there’s being involved in a drunken street race that leads to your friends getting killed, leaving the scene, and then coming back and lying to the police about it.

I don’t know. Different circumstances but I think back to Tunsil sliding like 10 picks because the gas mask video. And this to me is way worse.

At least the Tunsil shit made me laugh.

 

[JTG]

A wrinkle to be considered about how far Carter will fall is any team that wants a disruptive three downs DL doesn't really have a whole bunch of options other than Carter if he's there. There's no Ronnie Stanley to use the Tunsil comp. The closest you have is Bresee, who's all over the place in terms of rankings, and then the void.

It's gonna make it that bit easier for teams to talk themselves into Carter.

It's really insane to think about, but Breese very well could be there at 32. If Carter drops to 17 and Breese drops to 32...that'd be really hard to pass up, and I am not a huge Breese fan. Kenny would get killed because we didn't take a tackle, but that front 3 would see Highsmith and Watt be basically untouched, which is what both need to stay healthy.

 

[Peat]

It's really insane to think about, but Breese very well could be there at 32. If Carter drops to 17 and Breese drops to 32...that'd be really hard to pass up, and I am not a huge Breese fan. Kenny would get killed because we didn't take a tackle, but that front 3 would see Highsmith and Watt be basically untouched, which is what both need to stay healthy.

I think I'd just trade down from 32 for a haul in that unlikely scenario.

I'd also be more worried about the defence being toast everytime the QB gets the ball away in that scenario. Weak LB and CB rooms means intermediate routes should be open all day. Maybe I'm a fool, but I think the OL came together enough at the end of last year that I'm not terrified if they don't get upgraded (and would target Dotson and his focus lapses first).

I certainly hope I'm right as I don't think immediate help at OT will be available in this draft unless they trade up from 17. Sure you can maybe get a RT at 32 or maybe 49, but I don't regard Okorafor as an imminent threat to Pickett or an upgrade on Moore if switched over.

 

[Pens1566]

Carter won't drop that far, if at all, IMHO.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Carter won't drop that far, if at all, IMHO.

I didn’t think so either, but Albert Breer claims there were a lot of concerns BEFORE the police charges:

Jalen Carter’s Arrest Warrants Further Cloud His NFL Draft Status

The new charges connected to the death of Carter’s former teammate and a Georgia staffer could shake up the entire draft.

www.si.com

Apparently he’s seen as a lazy prospect that has a poor work ethic.

I still can’t imagine him falling out of the top five.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Being that we both have been posting here for a really long time, I'm sure 10 years ago we were the same way some of these posters are, but it's just the land of group think and piling up on a few specific people. I remember a lot of guys who used to post here, specifically in the mid-2000's that I loved talking hockey with, and all of a sudden one day they just fell away and never came back. I'm kind of there. If not for this thread, I'd probably be there already.

I barely post anywhere but when lurking I pretty much just lurk here. I could complain about the board - I think it’s too overmoderated and “clean”. Nobody creates topics, they’re created for you and your thing is just a reply in a large running thread. Kind of boring. But ultimately I’m just not craving nhl discussion like I used to when I was younger. Getting more tired of screens in general.

 

[JTG]

I barely post anywhere but when lurking I pretty much just lurk here. I could complain about the board - I think it’s too overmoderated and “clean”. Nobody creates topics, they’re created for you and your thing is just a reply in a large running thread. Kind of boring. But ultimately I’m just not craving nhl discussion like I used to when I was younger. Getting more tired of screens in general.

I started reading content on HF around 2002. I started posting around 2005, and it was mainly because the community was so involved in prospects and reporting of them and how they were developing. Way back then it was a wealth of knowledge where it was actually hard to have a conversation with a normal hockey fan because you were so well informed and up to date, you could only have conversations with each other because we were all nerds.

What this has reduced down to is just beating up of the same topics, group think, and a handful of posters running around basically bullying if you don't agree with what they think. Maybe I am just getting older? It's weird. I'm thankful some old timers still post here.

Carter won't drop that far, if at all, IMHO.

He's not going to drop at all. He's entirely too skilled. It was a pie in the sky post.

 

[OnMyOwn]

I started reading content on HF around 2002. I started posting around 2005, and it was mainly because the community was so involved in prospects and reporting of them and how they were developing. Way back then it was a wealth of knowledge where it was actually hard to have a conversation with a normal hockey fan because you were so well informed and up to date, you could only have conversations with each other because we were all nerds.

What this has reduced down to is just beating up of the same topics, group think, and a handful of posters running around basically bullying if you don't agree with what they think. Maybe I am just getting older? It's weird. I'm thankful some old timers still post here.


He's not going to drop at all. He's entirely too skilled. It was a pie in the sky post.

HF was WELL moderated back in that time. Not trying to shit on mods or anything, it was just different. Posters that came in spewing garbage were banned pretty quickly. You couldn’t just shit on the coach/players/gm and have nothing else to provide. Those types have been allowed to grow into consistent pains that you have to put on ignore, now.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

CB/OL in some order

#mantra

I know I know BPA but B is not always fixed and could very well be a good player at a need position is also BPA. And while it’s not easy to do, I’m not ruling out the FO doing some maneuvering.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

CB/OL in some order

#mantra

I know I know BPA but B is not always fixed and could very well be a good player at a need position is also BPA. And while it’s not easy to do, I’m not ruling out the FO doing some maneuvering.

This is my area of contention with the Steelers' draft rankings. They say "well we took the BPA in our rankings"

What they don't state is their BPA is weighted by their position of need. Everyone and their brother knew the past 2 years the STeelers were going to take a RB and a QB. The ILB pick of Bush was not a surprise either...the fact they traded up so far was though

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

This is my area of contention with the Steelers' draft rankings. They say "well we took the BPA in our rankings"

What they don't state is their BPA is weighted by their position of need. Everyone and their brother knew the past 2 years the STeelers were going to take a RB and a QB. The ILB pick of Bush was not a surprise either...the fact they traded up so far was though

Everyone weighs their needs in their rankings. Plus, everyone has a different ranking of players even before taking positional need into account.

BPA is generally a fallacy.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Everyone weighs their needs in their rankings. Plus, everyone has a different ranking of players even before taking positional need into account.

BPA is generally a fallacy.

Seems like a misguided approach. To me, positional weights should be an organizational philosophy vs a need based one. That way you have your parameters established and they don't fluctuate much as time goes by.

For example, QB's and EDGE would be at the top of the value/weight chart for an organization. Safeties and ST's players would be at the bottom.

I keep pointing to the Troy Edwards and Javon Kearse draft as an example of this. Steelers reached for a WR (I believe 2 had already been taken). Could you imagine the impact a duo of Porter and Kearse would of been for a 3-4 team?

 

[JTG]

The Steelers have always orchestrated their boards differently than they said they are this year. Colbert would create his board according to round, obviously position of need is going to rise to the top there.

I have read that Weidl puts his board together a bit differently and it is more conducive to being aggressive moving up and back. Colbert basically had 10-15 guys in each round and if one of those guys was there, he was going to take them.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I keep pointing to the Troy Edwards and Javon Kearse draft as an example of this. Steelers reached for a WR (I believe 2 had already been taken). Could you imagine the impact a duo of Porter and Kearse would of been for a 3-4 team?

Maybe you shouldn't use that as an example when that draft (1999) was not facilitated by the previous GM (Colbert) or the current GM. I honestly don't understand how a draft that happened 24 years ago by a totally different group of people holds any relevance to this years draft.

Plus, if they had taken Kearse in the first round, there is a pretty decent chance they don't take Porter in the 3rd.