OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[Night Shift]

I know some of you hate Sullivan (yet will defend the Clown to the Moon and back lord knows why)..But Does anyone actually think the Clown is capable of doing what Sully is doing now which is out coach another top coach?

This isnt a question at all, I'm being sarcastic. There is no way in hell or this galaxy that Clown would ever.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I know some of you hate Sullivan (yet will defend the Clown to the Moon and back lord knows why)..But Does anyone actually think the Clown is capable of doing what Sully is doing now which is out coach another top coach?

This isnt a question at all, I'm being sarcastic. There is no way in hell or this galaxy that Clown would ever.

Anything is possible - the issue is Tomlin’s arrogance which is enabled by AR2.

If you know you won’t be held accountable for poor job performance, that makes one lazy and gives an individual an inflated sense of their actual accomplishments.

Many Steeler fans have their heads buried in the sand and can’t face the reality of what Tomlin has done.

I continue to point out the historic five year playoff drought he’s embarrassingly spearheaded, but most fans don’t know how deep this actually runs.

9 of the last 11 years he’s not won a single playoff game. Fans don’t want to face that hardcore fact though, because denial of reality is a coping mechanism for them.

The only defense is the DB defense - no losing seasons! Like that means anything when you can win a single playoff game… cmon.

Tomlin has to be humbled to change and obviously getting blown out every playoff game hasn’t accomplished that.

 

[Night Shift]

Anything is possible - the issue is Tomlin’s arrogance which is enabled by AR2.

If you know you won’t be held accountable for poor job performance, that makes one lazy and gives an individual an inflated sense of their actual accomplishments.

Many Steeler fans have their heads buried in the sand and can’t face the reality of what Tomlin has done.

I continue to point out the historic five year playoff drought he’s embarrassingly spearheaded, but most fans don’t know how deep this actually runs.

9 of the last 11 years he’s not won a single playoff game.

The only defense is the DB defense - no losing seasons! Like that means anything when you can win a single playoff game… cmon.

Tomlin has to be humbled to change and obviously getting blown out every playoff game hasn’t accomplished that.

Great post. But you and I know it wont happen.

 

[JTG]

The more I watch George Pickens the more I start to believe this dude is too good to be true and his immature issues must be serious. He attacks and catches the ball like AJ Green did. He's downright nasty and throws blocks like a lineman. There has to be a catch here.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Anything is possible - the issue is Tomlin’s arrogance which is enabled by AR2.

If you know you won’t be held accountable for poor job performance, that makes one lazy and gives an individual an inflated sense of their actual accomplishments.

Many Steeler fans have their heads buried in the sand and can’t face the reality of what Tomlin has done.

I continue to point out the historic five year playoff drought he’s embarrassingly spearheaded, but most fans don’t know how deep this actually runs.

9 of the last 11 years he’s not won a single playoff game. Fans don’t want to face that hardcore fact though, because denial of reality is a coping mechanism for them.

The only defense is the DB defense - no losing seasons! Like that means anything when you can win a single playoff game… cmon.

Tomlin has to be humbled to change and obviously getting blown out every playoff game hasn’t accomplished that.

But he's never had a losing season

Let's coin the phrase "NHALS"

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The more I watch George Pickens the more I start to believe this dude is too good to be true and his immature issues must be serious. He attacks and catches the ball like AJ Green did. He's downright nasty and throws blocks like a lineman. There has to be a catch here.

It’s more his knee injury and lack of playing time (only 12 games over his last two seasons) that made him slip I suspect.

Combine that with whispers of maturity issues, an extremely deep class of flankers and him slipping to the second round isn’t that crazy.

Great post. But you and I know it wont happen.

I’d be lying if I said otherwise, but ART2 prefers to lean on their tradition of not firing coaches, rather than having to make tough decisions.

Often times the status quo is the easy out.

So we just have to hope he figures it out or ART2 finally puts him on the hot seat and he’s forced to change.

He can’t keep being an epic playoff failure in perpetuity - there has to be a line at some point, which is like a few years off.

 

[Night Shift]

It’s more his knee injury and lack of playing time (only 12 games over his last two seasons) that made him slip I suspect.

Combine that with whispers of maturity issues, an extremely deep class of flankers and him slipping to the second round isn’t that crazy.



I’d be lying if I said otherwise, but ART2 prefers to lean on their tradition of not firing coaches, rather than having to make tough decisions.

Often times the status quo is the easy out.

So we just have to hope he figures it out or ART2 finally puts him on the hot seat and he’s forced to change.

He can’t keep being an epic playoff failure in perpetuity - there has to be a line at some point, which is like a few years off.

I think whats promising is they didn't let him botch the pick and take Willis. He had Zero choice it seems

 

[DanielPlainview]

Well Colbert is gone and I suspect Art2 will pick someone who won’t butt heads with Tomlin, which is why they’re not promoting Khan

The amount of appeasement Tomlin gets for not having won shit for a decade is astounding

 

[JTG]

Well Colbert is gone and I suspect Art2 will pick someone who won’t butt heads with Tomlin, which is why they’re not promoting Khan

The amount of appeasement Tomlin gets for not having won shit for a decade is astounding

I think it will be Louis Riddick. It all lines up, IMO. Pittsburgh guy, he was very complimentary of what they did in the draft, specifically taking Pickett, so his values and their values align. And not saying he isn't worthy of being the next GM on merit, but he's also black. That helps the cause and further promotes the Rooney Rule. I can't see Art 2 passing up the opportunity to look this good with a black GM and a black HC.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think whats promising is they didn't let him botch the pick and take Willis. He had Zero choice it seems

I think Tomlin had a big hand in the KP pick. I read he wanted Willis, but the last few weeks he became sold on KP.

If he wanted Willis badly enough, I’m more than certain he’d be a Steeler right now.

I try to be objective as possible with Tomlin, which obviously isn’t easy being human and all.

So I’ll give him credit for making what I feel is a much more sound pick in KP.

Even if KP is a scrub and Willis becomes a superstar, I won’t be mad at Tomlin. Just would make me a massive hypocrite given how badly I wanted them to take KP and avoid Willis at all costs.

 

[Night Shift]

I try to be objective as possible with Tomlin, which obviously isn’t easy being human and all.

You are stronger than me.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I know some of you hate Sullivan (yet will defend the Clown to the Moon and back lord knows why)..But Does anyone actually think the Clown is capable of doing what Sully is doing now which is out coach another top coach?

This isnt a question at all, I'm being sarcastic. There is no way in hell or this galaxy that Clown would ever.

As much as I don't like Tomlin, or Sullivan, Tomlin won a Super Bowl and went to another one. So the answer is obviously yes. IF they get the roster right, they can win with Tomlin.

 

[Night Shift]

As much as I don't like Tomlin, or Sullivan, Tomlin won a Super Bowl and went to another one. So the answer is obviously yes. IF they get the roster right, they can win with Tomlin.

Sullivan won 2 Cups. And it wasnt almost 15 years ago.

 

[The Old Master]

There are always excuses

correction; There are always reasons, but there are NO excuses.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Sullivan won 2 Cups. And it wasnt almost 15 years ago.

ok

And Sully could win another one, either here or somewhere else. Again, you have never cared to understand my critique of Sully, which is why you now think you have me caught.

Let me give you an analogy.

I'm in sales for a profession. Let's say I don't do the fundamentals with my profession, I stop cold calling. While my sales numbers are currently acceptable, my boss warns me that eventually not searching out to new customers will come back to bite me in the end.

Then I have a long drought, no sales and the boss is getting prepared to let me go. It's at this point one of my existing customers contacts me for a project that surpasses all of my goals for the entire year.

Was my boss wrong?

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

ok

And Sully could win another one, either here or somewhere else. Again, you have never cared to understand my critique of Sully, which is why you now think you have me caught.

Let me give you an analogy.

I'm in sales for a profession. Let's say I don't do the fundamentals with my profession, I stop cold calling. While my sales numbers are currently acceptable, my boss warns me that eventually not searching out to new customers will come back to bite me in the end.

Then I have a long drought, no sales and the boss is getting prepared to let me go. It's at this point one of my existing customers contacts me for a project that surpasses all of my goals for the entire year.

Was my boss wrong?

The analogy isnt wrong. Its just doesnt fit this situation at all.

 

[Night Shift]

ok

And Sully could win another one, either here or somewhere else. Again, you have never cared to understand my critique of Sully, which is why you now think you have me caught.

Let me give you an analogy.

I'm in sales for a profession. Let's say I don't do the fundamentals with my profession, I stop cold calling. While my sales numbers are currently acceptable, my boss warns me that eventually not searching out to new customers will come back to bite me in the end.

Then I have a long drought, no sales and the boss is getting prepared to let me go. It's at this point one of my existing customers contacts me for a project that surpasses all of my goals for the entire year.

Was my boss wrong?

What does this have to do with Clown?

 

[Coastal Kev]

The analogy isnt wrong. Its just doesnt fit this situation at all.

Why not?

What does this have to do with Clown?

Too short...... I'll ignore in kind

 

[Night Shift]

Why not?


Too short...... I'll ignore in kind

Idk. I see a guy who is an actual NHL quality type coach who gets continually **** on. Even if his expiration date is here, even if 6 years too long. And then I see another who has proven to be a fraud and a clown. His expiration already past. But always has excuses made for him (excuses Sullivan never gets away with).

But anyway you brought up that Tomlin has 2 trips to the Super Bowl like Sullivan's 2 trips to the Cup Finals means nothing. What is that about???

 

[Coastal Kev]

Idk. I see a guy who is an actual NHL quality type coach who gets continually **** on. Even if his expiration date is here, even if 6 years too long. And then I see another who has proven to be a fraud and a clown. His expiration already past. But gets every excuse made for him (excuses Sullivan never gets away with).

I don't think I have ever read that Sully is a bad coach (tomlin is a different story)

They both have warts and I think a lot of it gets exposed with both coaches due to their tenure with the same team.

As much as people crush Mikey T, his teams usually show up to play consistently and play very hard for him. We can have a field day with game management, discipline and game planning........and we do. The reality is, Coach T is a terrific leader of men. That one skill isn't easy to find. If you disagree, take a look around how many terrible Head Coaches there have been.

Tenured coaches become very stubborn. They also tend to surround themselves with yes men who are compliant because they are reliant.

I think the sweet spot for an NFL coach is 7-10 years. In the NHL, I think those numbers are 3-5.

Now you understand why I'm a critic of both HC's

 

[DanielPlainview]

When there isn't pressure to improve and win from the top, you get organizational rot. We saw it with the Coonley-Huntington-Hurdle era with the Buccos. We're seeing it now in the Art2-Tomlin era with the Steelers. It's actually quite shocking that the Steelers' ownership quality has fallen from one of the best in all of sports to arguably the worst amongst the Big 3 in Pittsburgh (at least Bob had enough sense to clean house).

The Pens are a bit different because Mario clearly wants to win - it's been win now since 2008. He hires GMs who will make a bunch of trades to keep the team in the hunt at the expense of the draft and development. His downfall has been dealing with the HC. Whether it's being overly loyal to Bylsma and Sullivan or completely whiffing on the Johnston hire, he hasn't brought the best judgement. We've been fortunate the team has had multiple all-time, generational talents to carry the team to multiple Cups.

 

[Night Shift]

I don't think I have ever read that Sully is a bad coach (tomlin is a different story)

They both have warts and I think a lot of it gets exposed with both coaches due to their tenure with the same team.

As much as people crush Mikey T, his teams usually show up to play consistently and play very hard for him. We can have a field day with game management, discipline and game planning........and we do. The reality is, Coach T is a terrific leader of men. That one skill isn't easy to find. If you disagree, take a look around how many terrible Head Coaches there have been.

Tenured coaches become very stubborn. They also tend to surround themselves with yes men who are compliant because they are reliant.

I think the sweet spot for an NFL coach is 7-10 years. In the NHL, I think those numbers are 3-5.

Now you understand why I'm a critic of both HC's

NFL Coaches never last 7 years. It was fine with Cowher and Noll because uhh they were actually good.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

It’s amazing how much your highest paid players doing good in the playoffs make you a better coach. It was that long ago that we were a 1 line team in Pittsburgh and rust and Jake weren’t scoring in the playoffs.

 

[Coastal Kev]

NFL Coaches never last 7 years. It was fine with Cowher and Noll because uhh they were actually good.

1. Bill Belichick
2. Sean Payton
3. Mike Tomlin
4. John Harbaugh
5. Pete Carroll
6. Andy Reid
7. Mike Zimmer

All of these recent coaches were at or beyond 7 years; That's over 20% of the league.

 

[Night Shift]

1. Bill Belichick
2. Sean Payton
3. Mike Tomlin
4. John Harbaugh
5. Pete Carroll
6. Andy Reid
7. Mike Zimmer

All of these recent coaches were at or beyond 7 years; That's over 20% of the league.

Ok I get it. You like Clown. Have at it. Lol