OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[Buddy Bizarre]

They tried to trade up to 15 but the Texans decided not to trade down that would have been the 4th time they traded up for a player under Colbert. Colbert doesn’t trade down that is his thing he did it once for Hampton under cowher l. The GM before him didn’t trade up much. I am not mad at QB I am mad that they took the guy who will always be the 4th best Qb in the division and top out at 12th in the afc

The last time we traded up ended up being monumentally stupid and set this team back. Glad the Texans saved us from ourselves.

We didn’t really survive trading up for Bush. Not really. It hurt. Big time.

Intangibles are awesome but sometimes you have to add top talent, especially to a team with lots of #2s and #3s starting for it. They’re missing superstars, especially on the offensive side.

Pickett will likely do a good job of taking what the defense gives him, what the coach wants him to do, will scramble a little. I expect him to be like a backup QB starting for you. Might work for some games/for a while, but teams will figure him out and he’ll plummet because he doesn’t have elite talent to fall back on. If you have elite talent you can take your lumps and learn the game to get better. If your knowledge of the game is already high for a college player, there’s less room to improve.

If you want to make yourself crazy in 3-4 years, think about who the Steelers might have selected with those 4 1sts, the picks they gave up in the trade for Bush, and the QBs/LBs/Ss they didn’t take in the years following. A nightmare of bad drafting will eventually bite them when they don’t have a stud QB or the best defensive player this side of Aaron Donald to make everything work out in the end.

For all the criticism of trading a 1st for Minkah, it’s the best use of a 1st in 5 years. They’ve had basically 3 quality 1st round picks in 10 years, unless Najee Harris becomes LaDanian Tomlinson and Pickett becomes a top 5 QB.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Um everyone knew jones was going to the best QB in year one of his class he had the lowest ceiling highest floor. Everyone knew fields and Lance would need time and Trevor was doomed going to Jacksonville with no WR or TE to throw to. Tons of people said Pickett would be the 6th or 7th QB in last years class. Your not winning the division with Mac jones. New England never asked jones to win games either

Nah there was tons of talk Jones wouldn’t even go in the first round - he was disrespected as hell.

Most teams have little clue how to evaluate the QB position, but this game will never evolve beyond the best guys being the most accurate and cerebral.

As far as the AFC North, only Burrows is a concern and it took a first overall to land him.

Even then many pundits said he was a one year wonder and could potentially be an Alex Smith type bust.

Jackson and Watson have a COMBINED two playoff wins in their career. Two.

Tomlin absolutely owns Jackson. He’s Tomlin’s bitch. I have zero worries about him.

The Browns just used a mega ton of assets to land Watson. Now they have little draft capital to build around him AND they have to allocate insane cap space for his ridiculous new deal.

Browns gonna Browns because they are the Browns.

 

[Night Shift]

I think @bigdaddyk88 hates the pick.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

6 trades before the Steelers pick and 6 afterwards. You have to think that several teams contacted the Steelers about their pick. They probably had no intentions of moving no matter how sweet a deal might have been had.

 

[pistolpete11]

I have to say, this role reversal is very confusing.

The one guy who defended every decision the Steelers have ever made is now complaining about their pick and everyone else who has been shitting on the Steelers for years are anywhere from cautiously optimistic to thrilled.

 

[Night Shift]

I have to say, this role reversal is very confusing.

The one guy who defended every decision the Steelers have ever made is now complaining about their pick and everyone else who has been shitting on the Steelers for years are anywhere from cautiously optimistic to thrilled.

He wanted Mr Wilbus the running man.

Or was it the Riddler?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Nah there was tons of talk Jones wouldn’t even go in the first round - he was disrespected as hell.

Most teams have little clue how to evaluate the QB position, but this game will never evolve beyond the best guys being the most accurate and cerebral.

As far as the AFC North, only Burrows is a concern and it took a first overall to land him.

Even then many pundits said he was a one year wonder and could potentially be an Alex Smith type bust.

Jackson and Watson have a COMBINED two playoff wins in their career. Two.

Tomlin absolutely owns Jackson. He’s Tomlin’s bitch. I have zero worries about him.

The Browns just used a mega ton of assets to land Watson. Now they have little draft capital to build around him AND they have to allocate insane cap space for his ridiculous new deal.

Browns gonna Browns because they are the Browns.

What the moment the 49ers traded 3 1st to get to 3 the mac jones talk started and then Tomlin showed up to Fields pro day and says let’s show everyone why we are year and the talk of him trading for fields started. Yeah Tomlin has a winning record with QBS not named Ben so he and the defense will find a way to make it work regardless of the QB but they aren’t going to win any super bowls

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

So who is the mock draft faller thats there for the Steelers rd2 pick that they also pass on and everyone gets pissed. Seems to happen every year.

 

[Night Shift]

What the moment the 49ers traded 3 1st to get to 3 the mac jones talk started and then Tomlin showed up to Fields pro day and says let’s show everyone why we are year and the talk of him trading for fields started. Yeah Tomlin has a winning record with QBS not named Ben so he and the defense will find a way to make it work regardless of the QB but they aren’t going to win any super bowls

?

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Who's the last DL they took after R2 that had any impact whatsoever? Keisel?

Loudermilk was pretty decent last season. But it was only one season, guess we will see. Before him Javon Hargrave (3rd round in 2016).Honestly they haven't spent any mid round picks on DL over the past ten years or so. It's all been flyers in the high rounds.

Thus, I totally agree with you. I think they need to go WR/DL in Round 2 and Round 3. Not necessarily in that order.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He wanted Mr Wilbus the running man.

Or was it the Riddler?

I wanted upside be it Ridder or Willis I figured since AR2 said play with in the pocket and throwing was his biggest factor they would lean Ridder especially since Tomlin said he wanted competitiveness in his QB so no way do they go Willis. I was extremely disappointed when all the QBs were on the board and they didn’t trade down

 

[xlm34]

These are always cool to me for some reason. Tomlin also seems downright giddy about this pick which is cool.

It seems like the Steelers were really surprised he was available.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I have to say, this role reversal is very confusing.

The one guy who defended every decision the Steelers have ever made is now complaining about their pick and everyone else who has been shitting on the Steelers for years are anywhere from cautiously optimistic to thrilled.

I saw no hope for the future heading into this offseason. Now, I'm actually excited.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

?

Once the 49ers traded up to 3 everyone said jones was going 3 how was he disrespected then at the draft the pats let him fall to them. After fields pro day there were reports we would trade up for him cause Tomlin loved him they didn’t they took Harris

 

[ChaosAgent]

I have to say, this role reversal is very confusing.

The one guy who defended every decision the Steelers have ever made is now complaining about their pick and everyone else who has been shitting on the Steelers for years are anywhere from cautiously optimistic to thrilled.

mike will make it work either way. We still have Canada Teryl rudolph and they can get blocking from moore dan. they really liked kyle hamilton took him to dinner it was Ponderosa steakhouse gross maybe they didn't like him that much. Like we had Landry Kenny Duck Rudolph running more RPOs art said he wants a more progressive offense. in short 9-8 is likely if alu Stephon devin jack myles live up to their promise. they have sutton too

 

[Night Shift]

I saw no hope for the future heading into this offseason. Now, I'm actually excited.

This is the exact opposite of clown, like Idk what to say

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Loudermilk was pretty decent last season. But it was only one season, guess we will see. Before him Javon Hargrave (3rd round in 2016).Honestly they haven't spent any mid round picks on DL over the past ten years or so. It's all been flyers in the high rounds.

Thus, I totally agree with you. I think they need to go WR/DL in Round 2 and Round 3. Not necessarily in that order.

It’s the same with o line Tuitt and hargrave were 2nd and 3rd picks but they haven’t spent high picks on it under Colbert. ADams and Gilbert were the highest picks on the o line not named Decastro and Pouncy who both fell. They play a ton of 2 DL and as much as I want Hayward on a pitch clock I don’t think they will go day dl on day 2.

 

[xlm34]

mike will make it work either way. We still have Canada Teryl rudolph and they can get blocking from moore dan. they really liked kyle hamilton took him to dinner it was Ponderosa steakhouse gross maybe they didn't like him that much. Like we had Landry Kenny Duck Rudolph running more RPOs art said he wants a more progressive offense. in short 9-8 is likely if alu Stephon devin jack myles live up to their promise. they have sutton too

This deserves more than just a like.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

What the moment the 49ers traded 3 1st to get to 3 the mac jones talk started and then Tomlin showed up to Fields pro day and says let’s show everyone why we are year and the talk of him trading for fields started. Yeah Tomlin has a winning record with QBS not named Ben so he and the defense will find a way to make it work regardless of the QB but they aren’t going to win any super bowls

2021 NFL Draft: Mac Jones, despite gaudy statistics at Alabama, lacks in key areas as a prospect

www.cbssports.com

Day two pick?

2021 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Mac Jones – WalterFootball

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Backup QB?

2021 NFL draft profile: Alabama QB Mac Jones

The 2021 NFL draft is right around the corner, and we’ve got all the nuts and bolts on this year’s top prospects. Here’s everything you need to know about Alabama quarterback Mac Jones:

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Low ceiling?

This is the tip of the iceberg for how disrespected he was because he wasn’t some fancy runner type.

No idea what Tomlin and Fields has to do with anything.

Tomlin, for all his faults, just told us what he values most in a QB - and it’s brains and accuracy.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Looked at teams picking after Steelers....basically playoff teams with top QB's, established starters, who would not be picking QB.
21 New England ( Mac Jones ) traded to KC ( Mahomes )
22. Raiders ( Carr ) traded to Packers ( Rogers )
23. Arizona ( Murray ) traded to Bills ( Allen )
24. Cowboys ( Dak )
25. Bills ( Allen ) traded to Ravens ( Lamar )
26. Jets ( Wilson ) too soon to take another 1st rnd QB
27. Jags ( Lawrence )
28. Packers ( Rogers ) thought they would have gone with the Ga. WR.....with 1 of these 1st rounders
29. New England ( Mac )
30. KC ( Mahomes )
31. Cincy ( Burrow )

There were plenty of teams looking to move up in the draft, 6 of next 8 picks were traded....and multiple team trades ( 8 total trades in picks 22-29)

Hence, trade down 4-5 picks, and add a 2nd pick for the trade down. Trade down 10-12 picks and maybe pick up a 2nd and a 3rd...or two 2nds, one this year, one next year.

Plus trading back, with no teams looking at QB....probably meant, all the top QBs would still be available. As it turns out, NO other QBs were drafted in 1st.

We do. What we do. Steelers never trade down to add picks. Almost, always, never.
We draft nice stories.
We draft familiarity. We are comfortable with it. We embrace it. We will save on moving costs.



Day 2 - DL, ILB, OL, WR,

 

[Peat]

I do really wish we'd done the deal Kansas did with NE. That said, I'm seeing Tennessee mocked as taking a QB with their first second, can't be sure what Seattle or Indianapolis would do if they liked Pickett Anyway, it's done now, time to see how quick and accurate he can be in the NFL.

 

[pistolpete11]

Loudermilk was pretty decent last season. But it was only one season, guess we will see. Before him Javon Hargrave (3rd round in 2016).Honestly they haven't spent any mid round picks on DL over the past ten years or so. It's all been flyers in the high rounds.

Thus, I totally agree with you. I think they need to go WR/DL in Round 2 and Round 3. Not necessarily in that order.

We'll see with Loudermilk. If he was that good, I think we would have seen more of him with how bad the DL was (outside of Heyward, of course).

Hargrave is a good call, though. That was a rock solid pick.

 

[pistolpete11]

mike will make it work either way. We still have Canada Teryl rudolph and they can get blocking from moore dan. they really liked kyle hamilton took him to dinner it was Ponderosa steakhouse gross maybe they didn't like him that much. Like we had Landry Kenny Duck Rudolph running more RPOs art said he wants a more progressive offense. in short 9-8 is likely if alu Stephon devin jack myles live up to their promise. they have sutton too

This is too spot on. Like....it makes me question if it's been you the whole time

 

[The Old Master]

I liked Willis more than Kenny but it’s really hard to rank QBs if you can’t sit in a room and talk to them, especially a guy like Willis who is so far from being a finished product. If they didn’t think he was going to be possible to coach the warts out then ok.

it is the steelers, and coaching should not be in the same sentence with steelers. no?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

As someone who has had minimal interest in the Steelers/NFL for the last 5+ years, this Pickett selection has me excited.

And I can't wait to see what he and JuJu can do.