OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[bigdaddyk88]

Meanwhile, Butler who not long ago admitted he doesn't call or call any plays.

So he just stands there.

Clowns, clowns they're everywhere.

And moats on his show flat out said that was a lie. He said Tomlin gave him a menu of plays to chose from. Every once in awhile Tomlin would walk right next to butler and say I want this play now. Hacket never called plays in Greenbay but got the Denver gig. The Dolphins HC never called plays under shanahan so does it matter

 

[Night Shift]

And moats on his show flat out said that was a lie. He said Tomlin gave him a menu of plays to chose from.

A menu?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

A menu?

Yeah he described the gameplan as a menu at restaurant and it had a list of plays to chose from and butler was allowed to chose from that menu

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[Night Shift]

Keith Butler Confirms Mike Tomlin Handled Defensive Playcalling - Steelers Depot

Here are direct quotes from Butler himself.

But anyway, forgot he retired. So, Who's the new clown standing there on the sideline not doing anything?

 

[Night Shift]

Yeah he described the gameplan as a menu at restaurant and it had a list of plays to chose from and butler was allowed to chose from that menu

Clowns, clowns they're everywhere

 

[Night Shift]

. Hacket never called plays in Greenbay but got the Denver gig. The Dolphins HC never called plays under shanahan so does it matter

Yes, it matters.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yes, it matters.

Why does it matter and why would butler comeback another year instead of retiring if he was worried about not calling plays.

 

[Night Shift]

Why does it matter and why would butler comeback another year instead of retiring if he was worried about not calling plays.

You cannot become a good HC without growth and development as a coordinator. Serving one year does not make a HC. 15 years of Mike Tomlin is a prime example of that. Mike Tomlin also does his staff no favors by limiting their potential growth. But Again, Mike Tomlin is not a capable NFL Head Coach to begin with so he has nothing to lend to young up and comers that want to become future NFL HC's.

One exception who became extremely successful is Andy Reid. But he spent 6 season in Green Bay (92-98) which he was surrounded by some of the best minds in the game at the time.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You cannot become a good HC without growth and development as a coordinator. Serving one year does not make a HC. 15 years of Mike Tomlin is a prime example of that. Mike Tomlin also does his staff no favors by limiting their potential growth.

One exception who became extremely successful is Andy Reid. But he spent 6 season in Green Bay (92-98) which he was surrounded by some of the best minds in the game at the time.

Ok but the bulk of the assistant coaches who were hired for head coaching gigs came from shanahan and Mcvay and they didn’t have any play calling duties. Taylor was a WR coach and a QB coach when Cincinnati hired him. The dolphins just hired a run game coordinator hacket was hired because of Rodgers. Eric doesn’t call plays in KC

 

[Night Shift]

Ok but the bulk of the assistant coaches who were hired for head coaching gigs came from shanahan and Mcvay and they didn’t have any play calling duties. Taylor was a WR coach and a QB coach when Cincinnati hired him. The dolphins just hired a run game coordinator hacket was hired because of Rodgers. Eric doesn’t call plays in KC

When most of these guys become in over their head and fail it's on to the next one. They're not like the Steelers and keep them all for 50 years.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

When most of these guys become in over their head and fail it's on to the next one. They're not like the Steelers and keep them all for 50 years.

Well when you have a top 5 coach who players want to play for why would you want to move on from that coach

 

[Night Shift]

Well when you have a top 5 coach who players want to play for why would you want to move on from that coach

No, he's the greatest show on earth

 

[JTG]

Maybe I'm missing something, but as best I've been told, Trubisky is most of the tools but no toolbox under pressure, right?

If so, I don't see the issue with taking a guy with the same physical tools in the first and hoping they can build a better toolbox by developing him better, and let Trubisky take the brunt of being on an average at best team until the kid develops. I'm not super-excited by them doing that as I'm not excited by any of the guys in the first, but it's a reasonable play if they see talent they believe in.

It's not like going QB in 1st vs DL/OL/SS in the 1st and QB in 2nd/3rd is going to radically change the team's chances this coming season anyway.

I don't agree that Trubisky doesn't have a toolbox. I think what he was able to do in Chicago with the staff that was in place was actually pretty decent. It's very clear that the coaching staff was the issue there. Last year in Buffalo I also think will prove to pay huge dividends for Mitch. He really needed that. He sat behind a MVP type QB with a really strong coaching staff.

I think drafting a QB is a horrible decision because we may actually have a legit option and at least he has put up decent stats in the NFL. I think bringing in a veteran QB is actually what the team needs - like a Ryan Fitzpatrick. Take a flyer on a developmental guy late, like Cole Kelley, who could also be of potential use in certain situations immediately.

 

[Peat]

I don't agree that Trubisky doesn't have a toolbox. I think what he was able to do in Chicago with the staff that was in place was actually pretty decent. It's very clear that the coaching staff was the issue there. Last year in Buffalo I also think will prove to pay huge dividends for Mitch. He really needed that. He sat behind a MVP type QB with a really strong coaching staff.

I think drafting a QB is a horrible decision because we may actually have a legit option and at least he has put up decent stats in the NFL. I think bringing in a veteran QB is actually what the team needs - like a Ryan Fitzpatrick. Take a flyer on a developmental guy late, like Cole Kelley, who could also be of potential use in certain situations immediately.

We may have a legit option but as long as we don't go mental moving up to take a guy, just how horrible is spending 20 OA on competition/backup gonna be? It's clearly not ideal if at the end of the season we're think Trubisky really is the guy and we've got a young QB just kinda doing nothing instead of a pick who could be making a difference, but it's not franchise breaking or anything.

Edit: and I don't really want them to do this. I'm more making my peace with what is coming. But I truly don't think it's a big issue here.

 

[JTG]

We may have a legit option but as long as we don't go mental moving up to take a guy, just how horrible is spending 20 OA on competition/backup gonna be? It's clearly not ideal if at the end of the season we're think Trubisky really is the guy and we've got a young QB just kinda doing nothing instead of a pick who could be making a difference, but it's not franchise breaking or anything.

Edit: and I don't really want them to do this. I'm more making my peace with what is coming. But I truly don't think it's a big issue here.

I'm 100% with you

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Looks like Mayfield could end up in Carolina:

Of several Baker Mayfield suitors, Panthers have inside track in a trade (sorry Robby Anderson!): Browns Insider

The Panthers — one of three teams who lost out in the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes — are among several teams interested in Mayfield

www.cleveland.com

That would really help the Steelers if they want a QB.

Still would leave Seattle and Saints (and their two firsts) as the major obstacles.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Looks like Mayfield could end up in Carolina:

Of several Baker Mayfield suitors, Panthers have inside track in a trade (sorry Robby Anderson!): Browns Insider

The Panthers — one of three teams who lost out in the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes — are among several teams interested in Mayfield

www.cleveland.com

That would really help the Steelers if they want a QB.

Still would leave Seattle and Saints (and their two firsts) as the major obstacles.

I don’t think Seattle goes QB in round 1 they need desperately a LT and and the saints just boost a LT and gave Winston starter money. Darnold is better than baker

 

[Peat]

I can see Atlanta and Houston (with 13OA) being possible QB calling spots too.

 

[Andy99]

I just hope other teams take these QBs higher than 20, thus forcing the Steelers to take another player lol…I don’t see any QB in this class being more than an average to good starter in 2-3 years…id like the Steelers to lose with Trubisky this season and have a chance to nab one of the top two QBs next season…

 

[xlm34]

I can see Atlanta and Houston (with 13OA) being possible QB calling spots too.

Houston apparently likes Davis Mills so I think they give him a shot this year. And he actually had a really solid rookie year surprisingly.

I could definitely see Atlanta taking a shot at Willis, but their roster is bad enough they probably end up with a top 5 pick next year.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I just hope other teams take these QBs higher than 20, thus forcing the Steelers to take another player lol…I don’t see any QB in this class being more than an average to good starter in 2-3 years…id like the Steelers to lose with Trubisky this season and have a chance to nab one of the top two QBs next season…

Steelers will be in this position every season for the next decade+. They have had exactly one original top ten pick in the last 30 years.

Steelers won’t sniff Young or likely Stroud… and when is the last time a Buckeye QB did anything in the NFL - Mike Tomczak?

After them it’s a bunch of mixed bags again next season.

Trubisky is pretty bad and people around here will get a wake call on him soon, like those who thought Carolina hit the jackpot with Darnold (lol).

But he isn’t 4-13 bad… more like 8-9 bad.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Steelers will be in this position every season for the next decade+. They have had exactly one original top ten pick in the last 30 years.

Steelers won’t sniff Young or likely Stroud… and when is the last time a Buckeye QB did anything in the NFL - Mike Tomczak?

After them it’s a bunch of mixed bags again next season.

Trubisky is pretty bad and people around here will get a wake call on him soon, like those who thought Carolina hit the jackpot with Darnold (lol).

But he isn’t 4-13 bad… more like 8-9 bad.

It's easy to laugh at Darnold, but he also went to a team with a very limited offensive personnel around him and an unproven coaching staff. Could be Darnold sucks.......could be that's he's been unlucky to play for 2 dumpster fires and it's wrecked his career.

 

[Andy99]

Steelers will be in this position every season for the next decade+. They have had exactly one original top ten pick in the last 30 years.

Steelers won’t sniff Young or likely Stroud… and when is the last time a Buckeye QB did anything in the NFL - Mike Tomczak?

After them it’s a bunch of mixed bags again next season.

Trubisky is pretty bad and people around here will get a wake call on him soon, like those who thought Carolina hit the jackpot with Darnold (lol).

But he isn’t 4-13 bad… more like 8-9 bad.

Still, the team is better off trying for Young and Stroud and moving up if need be, then it is settling for some inaccurate QB like Ridder this season…

 

[Coastal Kev]

Still, the team is better off trying for Young and Stroud and moving up if need be, then it is settling for some inaccurate QB like Ridder this season…

Can anyone name a good/great QB in the NFL that struggled with accuracy? I hear accuracy problems..........I head for zee hills.