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I think that's probably true, but there's a line somewhere. Sacks are not good, obviously, but neither is having happy feet and bailing on pockets at even the slightest sign of pressure.
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Good thing neither Fields nor Wilson like to bail on clean pockets
I don’t know. I think regardless of who plays, we’re going to see the same pocket issues that drove us crazy with Pickett. Just likely with better results when the ball actually gets thrown.
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I'd just like the opportunity to find out!Good thing neither Fields nor Wilson like to bail on clean pockets
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Fields is an entirely different type of QB, but fair enough on WilsonGood thing neither Fields nor Wilson like to bail on clean pockets
I don’t know. I think regardless of who plays, we’re going to see the same pocket issues that drove us crazy with Pickett. Just likely with better results when the ball actually gets thrown.
Still, it can be situationally dependent, but I'm fine holding onto the ball sometimes if it means there's a chance of making a play....whether inside or outside of the pocket.
And I don't know that anything will drive me crazier than Pickett spinning, rolling out to his left, and throwing it away on 3rd down.
Part of me wonders whether Tomlin is all that bothered by QBs leaving the pocket early. I mean, he's vocal about how much he likes athletic QBs, and that's an ability that doesn't really mean anything unless you're willing to leave the pocket. And it doesn't feel like it's been a dealbreaker on guys in the hunt for Ben's replacement.
Assuming nothing crazy happens with Aiyuk, this should be a guy the Steelers should be in on.
I don’t think leaving the pocket is a dealbreaker as long as it results in a positive outcome. But running into sacks or turning down a positive play to run around and throw the ball away or check it down would be I would think.
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Tbh he’s nowhere near what active players/coaches we should be mad are allowed in the league
Good blocker. Popped off a couple times last year for huge games. I’m surprised he was released, but that was probably more about Metchie than it was about Brown.
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Yeah Noah Brown is a guy the Steelers should absolutely be calling right now, he was on pace for a big season last year before he missed some games. Really hope they can end up pulling him off, he’s more of a WR3 but they need any good WR2 or WR3 they can get.
I'm not sure he's all that bothered by sacks and missing positive plays even. Obviously he hates them, but it doesn't feel like a mega-hate dealbreaker. I'm working my way through my thoughts here so it's not super coherent, but the offensive approach under him these last five odd years and his comments and the guys he's recruited doesn't make it feel like it's a Tier 1 problem for him with a QB. Sacks end drives but at least you can still punt the ball away.
I guess thinking about it, it is really the turnovers. He preaches a very turnover orientated style of football both sides of the ball. Don't make a mistake that can cost directly cost points against. Trubisky threw interceptions and had no rope. Pickett didn't and got more. So they'll live with the sacks, and Wilson doesn't throw many picks, but the fumbles?
I'll go with the fumbles being what really annoys him now I think about it.
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The KP spin thing drove me bonkers. How wasn't that every coached out of him?
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He was probably athletic enough to make plays like that against the dregs of the ACC.
Hey, WF and BC have some of the toughest high school defenses you'll ever see play.
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KC waives Kadarius Toney. They don't need a second high-maintenance guy in the room but he has way more upside than all the other #4/#5 WR that people are talking about.
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Noah Brown is a good NFL receiver but for the most part just a guy. We would consider him our version of Van Jefferson if we didn't already have one.
The fact that we should be in on him (we should) and that I support such an approach (I do) says a lot about the receiver room, all of which everyone knows because it's been said all summer long.
The fact that we should be in on him (we should) and that I support such an approach (I do) says a lot about the receiver room, all of which everyone knows because it's been said all summer long.
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Geez I agree about Toney's upside but he hasn't done anything in the league so he feels like a guy who will never reach it. Yeah he's had some off-field issues but the big one is not catching passes. It would be more accurate to say KC dropped him. Get it?
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Toney is more "gadget guy" vs a true slot or outside WR.
We have CAIII who could fill that role and Wilson when he returns could do that too.
But, I don't think this type of stuff is an Art Smith staple so he seems very unnecessary. Steelers need a true outside guy that can beat press. Anyone else is redundant.
PS- they also need a gunner, so if there are any WR's who do this PLUS can beat man press, the Steelers should be all over that.
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Guessing anyone who fits that description is not being cut today. In terms of gunners, the Giants are cutting Boykin so that could be an option.
Steelers cutting Quez Watkins, which is weird since BigDaddyTomlinFan told me he was starting caliber.
Some days I hope another country takes American Football to their heart simply to see what happens to player development when you constantly have the best 18-22 year olds going against each other rather than getting spread out over I have no idea how many teams.
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A bit surprising since he started in the slot the last 2 weeks. They almost HAVE to go get a slot CB as right now it's basically a UDFA and no one.
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My bar has dropped almost to Pirates' levels of low bar.
If the Steelers can throw five or more times a game further than three yards I will deem the quarterback experiment to be a success.
If the Steelers can throw five or more times a game further than three yards I will deem the quarterback experiment to be a success.
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