OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Sneaking up onto training camp

[Ryder71]

Says the guy who mocks one of the greatest Pens player ever. Maybe you should take your own advice.

little man

100%

That guy is clearly a bad person. Trying to vilify us for keeping it real.

Honestly, the biggest issue is we need another legitimate wide receiver. "Khan artist" has screwed that up by trading Johnson for a scrub defender, when we could have used him or we could have traded him for Aiyuk and actually completed that trade.

I 100% agree with this! Khans only but very glaring mistake this off season!

 

[TooManyHumans]

Think I'm just inclined to put that on a QB and WR who don't know each other tbh.

I hope that's it. Whoever is the QB is going to have to hit those plays for us to have any shot this year.

 

[UnrealMachine]

It seems like everything gets evaluated in realtime under a microscope these days, which only gives people more of an opportunity to cherry-pick their analysis (term used loosely) and reinforce their existing opinion about a player. I’m way more concerned about how Wilson looked than I am about a single deep pass from Fields that didn’t connect. I’ll go one step further to say that I’m happy to just see a deep pass attempt in general. Lastly, I’m far from writing off Wilson because the line was terrible and the play calling was way too predictable, but he really did not look comfortable playing NFL football last night.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Our offense is going to be run heavy with deep play action. We will have Muth and ca3 and Wilson as the 10 to 15 yard guys off plat action
You can’t miss that pass to Gp like RW did

 

[TooManyHumans]

It seems like everything gets evaluated in realtime under a microscope these days, which only gives people more of an opportunity to cherry-pick their analysis (term used loosely) and reinforce their existing opinion about a player. I’m way more concerned about how Wilson looked than I am about a single deep pass from Fields that didn’t connect. I’ll go one step further to say that I’m happy to just see a deep pass attempt in general. Lastly, I’m far from writing off Wilson because the line was terrible and the play calling was way too predictable, but he really did not look comfortable playing NFL football last night.

I'm concerned about both QBs but not because of a preseason game. I'm concerned because of what they've put on tape. The last couple of years Wilson has been a checkdown machine. His entire career Fields has been a turnover machine. I simply don't see much reason to think either guy will change just because they are now on the Steelers.

 

[wheelz87]

It seems like everything gets evaluated in realtime under a microscope these days, which only gives people more of an opportunity to cherry-pick their analysis (term used loosely) and reinforce their existing opinion about a player. I’m way more concerned about how Wilson looked than I am about a single deep pass from Fields that didn’t connect. I’ll go one step further to say that I’m happy to just see a deep pass attempt in general. Lastly, I’m far from writing off Wilson because the line was terrible and the play calling was way too predictable, but he really did not look comfortable playing NFL football last night.

That sort of level headed analysis is not welcome here. Please edit post and add some rage about a week 2 preseason game.

Our offense is going to be run heavy with deep play action. We will have Muth and ca3 and Wilson as the 10 to 15 yard guys off plat action
You can’t miss that pass to Gp like RW did

I have serious reservations about exactly how good CA3 truly is.

 

[UnrealMachine]

I'm concerned about both QBs but not because of a preseason game. I'm concerned because of what they've put on tape. The last couple of years Wilson has been a checkdown machine. His entire career Fields has been a turnover machine. I simply don't see much reason to think either guy will change just because they are now on the Steelers.

Well one of them is older, declining, and closer to the end of their career. The other is younger, incrementally improving (increased comp % and decreased int% every season), and is one of the best rushing QBs in the NFL. One of them has changed for the better over the past few seasons whether you care to acknowledge it or not.

 

[WickedWrister]

It seems like everything gets evaluated in realtime under a microscope these days, which only gives people more of an opportunity to cherry-pick their analysis (term used loosely) and reinforce their existing opinion about a player. I’m way more concerned about how Wilson looked than I am about a single deep pass from Fields that didn’t connect. I’ll go one step further to say that I’m happy to just see a deep pass attempt in general. Lastly, I’m far from writing off Wilson because the line was terrible and the play calling was way too predictable, but he really did not look comfortable playing NFL football last night.

100%. And I think a lot of the negativity you might be seeing online (if you pay attention to that stuff), is coming from these guys previous fanbases in Denver and Chicago where they didn't have much success. Just like we have Steelers fans wanting to dance on Pickett's grave in Philly.

I have serious reservations about exactly how good CA3 truly is.

He did not have a good camp. Or at least he didn't earn a lot of targets.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Well one of them is older, declining, and closer to the end of their career. The other is younger, incrementally improving (increased comp % and decreased int% every season), and is one of the best rushing QBs in the NFL. One of them has changed for the better over the past few seasons whether you care to acknowledge it or not.

Fields had 2 passes bounce off DBs hands yesterday

 

[TooManyHumans]

Well one of them is older, declining, and closer to the end of their career. The other is younger, incrementally improving (increased comp % and decreased int% every season), and is one of the best rushing QBs in the NFL. One of them has changed for the better over the past few seasons whether you care to acknowledge it or not.

His passing numbers are very similar the last two years. In some ways they are worse last year than the previous one (td% went down, ypa and ypc down, QBR down). I'm not seeing the progression there that you are. For sure he's a great running QB and that might make him the better option over an old Wilson. I'm not a fan of Wilson. I don't think that makes Fields more attractive than he is though. If he can get a handle on turnovers then I'd be willing to commit to him for this year, but I don't know why I would think he can do that given his career to this point. In addition to picks he fumbles a lot.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I have serious reservations about exactly how good CA3 truly is

Are they actually hyping CA3 up? Dude has "bust" written all over him.

 

[UnrealMachine]

His passing numbers are very similar the last two years. In some ways they are worse last year than the previous one (td% went down, ypa and ypc down, QBR down). I'm not seeing the progression there that you are. For sure he's a great running QB and that might make him the better option over an old Wilson. I'm not a fan of Wilson. I don't think that makes Fields more attractive than he is though. If he can get a handle on turnovers then I'd be willing to commit to him for this year, but I don't know why I would think he can do that given his career to this point. In addition to picks he fumbles a lot.

In your previous posting you specifically noted his turnovers, and I pointed out that those went down significantly last season. Some categories improved while others have stagnated or slightly worsened. It probably won’t - but maybe it will? - surprise you that rushing QBs rack up more fumbles than their pocketed cohorts. In addition to decreasing his total number/rate of fumbles, his fumble rate last season was similar to Lamar Jackson’s. Perhaps it would just be easier to ask what would be an acceptable number/rate of turnovers for you?

 

[WickedWrister]

Oooof Herbig potentially out for the season with a torn rotator cuff and Jaylen Warren expected to miss "multiple weeks".

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Oooof Herbig potentially out for the season with a torn rotator cuff and Jaylen Warren expected to miss "multiple weeks".

Not to worried about Herbig
Against Detroit and their backups hopefully they find another rb though Fields package could help

 

[Peat]

100%. And I think a lot of the negativity you might be seeing online (if you pay attention to that stuff), is coming from these guys previous fanbases in Denver and Chicago where they didn't have much success. Just like we have Steelers fans wanting to dance on Pickett's grave in Philly.

Eh. If it's like the Pickett situation then when you filter out the loudmouths on either side of the equation, you're left with some fairly sobering stuff.

 

[wheelz87]

Are they actually hyping CA3 up? Dude has "bust" written all over him.

I’m personally labeling him as dri archer until he proves otherwise. Idk if he’s being hyped so much but he’s prob our number 3 as of today right? With Roman Wilson not getting the reps bc of injury.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I’m personally labeling him as dri archer until he proves otherwise. Idk if he’s being hyped so much but he’s prob our number 3 as of today right? With Roman Wilson not getting the reps bc of injury.

I think Scotty Miller is pretty easily better than him. Not that it's saying much.

 

[WickedWrister]

Eh. If it's like the Pickett situation then when you filter out the loudmouths on either side of the equation, you're left with some fairly sobering stuff.

The latest thing I've seen on my timeline (besides constant political propaganda) is 49ers fans shitting on our QB situation being like "Aiyuk took one look at the Steelers first team offense and is signing an extension with us ASAP"

Now Steelers fans are getting their get back by making fun of the 49ers offense tonight-Purdy 2/6 11 yards 1 sack in 3 drives.

Real mature and productive stuff

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The latest thing I've seen on my timeline (besides constant political propaganda) is 49ers fans shitting on our QB situation being like "Aiyuk took one look at the Steelers first team offense and is signing an extension with us ASAP"

Now Steelers fans are getting their get back by making fun of the 49ers offense tonight-Purdy 2/6 11 yards 1 sack in 3 drives.

Real mature and productive stuff

I do get a kick out of them saying Aiyuk is not worth the money but we should trade multiple players and picks.
They reported before kick off that a tradexis still an option but as the season gets closer and chances of him being ready week 1 dwindle the package could shrink

 

[Peat]

The latest thing I've seen on my timeline (besides constant political propaganda) is 49ers fans shitting on our QB situation being like "Aiyuk took one look at the Steelers first team offense and is signing an extension with us ASAP"

Now Steelers fans are getting their get back by making fun of the 49ers offense tonight-Purdy 2/6 11 yards 1 sack in 3 drives.

Real mature and productive stuff

C'mon now. I said filter out the loudmouths, I thought it went without saying that includes 90% of everyone on the average Twitter timeline

I also recommend having a list of mute words longer than a Leonard Cohen song on there in these trying times.

 

[JTG]

Says the guy who mocks one of the greatest Pens player ever. Maybe you should take your own advice.

little man

I wore 25 my entire life and got his jersey signed by him at the Jagr gala. Try again tickleshits.

What a bottom of the barrel thing to pick on.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I’m over Meyer…he should be fired…and Tomlin of course lol
Not many playmakers either on this team…the running game isn’t going to be that good with O line problems and having a good run game is our only hope to win games…that probably favors starting Fields…

I think if you look at Dotson, and maybe a few others, it's pretty clear the issue is Tomlin's incompetence at hiring a good OL coach (aside from Munchak.

I thought maybe Meyer would work out the way the OL came together the 2nd half of 2022. But then with pretty much the same guys they AGAIN took half a season to come together last year. Maybe it was the inept OC, but definitely a make-of-break year for Meyer.

Seems like we too often default to "lack of talent" when the real issue is coaching. We are seeing very few, if any, players make big leaps from their rookie years. We are seeing very few, if any, role/depth guys developed into starters. A lot of people point fingers at Colbert and the FO, but I'm of the opinion our drafting has been among the best and that is what has preserved NHALS despite Tomlin. Mediocre Mike has been an absolute anchor on this team.

 

[T1K]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1825509953307590697

 

[T1K]

Oooof Herbig potentially out for the season with a torn rotator cuff and Jaylen Warren expected to miss "multiple weeks".

I’m starting to get worried about the offense. I don’t think the QB battle has been decided yet.

 

[TooManyHumans]

In your previous posting you specifically noted his turnovers, and I pointed out that those went down significantly last season. Some categories improved while others have stagnated or slightly worsened. It probably won’t - but maybe it will? - surprise you that rushing QBs rack up more fumbles than their pocketed cohorts. In addition to decreasing his total number/rate of fumbles, his fumble rate last season was similar to Lamar Jackson’s. Perhaps it would just be easier to ask what would be an acceptable number/rate of turnovers for you?

His fumble rate was slightly higher, his interception percent was a decent chunk higher, and his TD % was a decent bit lower. He also threw for 6.9 YPA versus 8.0 for Jackson. The adjusted air yards per attempt is really telling, 4.77 for Fields over his career and 6.80 for Jackson. There really is not a good comparison between the two other than they are both excellent running QBs. Anyway, I am not sure what turnover rate would be acceptable, but it has to be lower if he is not making the big plays that a guy like Jackson routinely churns out. I simply do not see that from Fields and am very skeptical that he will ever be much different than he has been to this point of his career. I would love for him to prove me wrong but I will be surprised if the Steelers offense is the one to unlock any unreached potential.