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xlm34 said:
I wouldn’t be mad with a center early either but when you ask about the intriguing talent in most drafts, I would say the level of talent at the tackle position in particular is rare.

So just looking ahead to next year, do I think a Mims in round 1 and Van Pram in round 3 gives you a better line than JPJ in round 1 and Moore/Round 2 or 3 tackle? I’d guess yes. And say Van Pram doesn’t work out, then I’d feel a lot more confident about finding a center the following year than I would finding a tackle.
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I'm wary of Mims' fitness issues and don't overly trust SvP's athletic profile as he's light and lacks reach. I think I'd prefer to trade down, grab whichever of JPJ/Barton/Frazier is there, then hope to get Kingsley Suamataia in the 2nd.

I'd be happier still if they'd solve one of C and T in FA. Realistically rookie OL are a so-so proposition over a full season. Moore ain't a great player, but he was probably a better OT than Jones at the end of the season in pass protection. Yeah, some of that's on Jones playing on the right, but not all of it.
 
Re Dulac and Johnson -

"That was a large part of it, though it's seems comical to think someone is worried about Pickens being badly influenced. One way or the other, they were going to move on from DJ"

That's from his weekly chat per Steelers Depot

This is part of why large numbers of people wouldn't trust Dulac if he said people liked drinking alcohol on St Paddy's Day. Saying it was about Pickens, then rubbishing the idea it was, all in about 24 hours.

Fwiw, it still makes sense to me that it was part of it.

edit: Oh, and he had DJ as 100% a Steeler in 2024 last week. Good work.

edit edit: Actually let's just find the actual quotes to see what makes sense here as neither's complete and maybe I'm being unfair to him. He still absolutely didn't see this coming though.

Right, actual full quote from Dulac's chat:

Dale: There have been concerns about the attitude and effort of both Johnson and Pickens. Was the trade of Johnson intended, at least in part, to keep him from serving as a negative role model for the younger receiver?
Gerry Dulac: Bingo. That was a large part of it, though it's seems comical to think someone is about Pickens being badly influenced. One way or the other, they were going to move on from DJ

So he's not saying two different things about DJ as an influence on Pickens, he's saying that's what he heard even if it makes no sense to him. Fair enough, my mistake.

But again, still didn't see the Johnson trade coming (despite other reporters getting it), has swung around like a weathervane on other subjects before, and so on. Really not a guy doing good work these days.
 
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Peat said:
Re Dulac and Johnson -

"That was a large part of it, though it's seems comical to think someone is worried about Pickens being badly influenced. One way or the other, they were going to move on from DJ"

That's from his weekly chat per Steelers Depot

This is part of why large numbers of people wouldn't trust Dulac if he said people liked drinking alcohol on St Paddy's Day. Saying it was about Pickens, then rubbishing the idea it was, all in about 24 hours.

Fwiw, it still makes sense to me that it was part of it.

edit: Oh, and he had DJ as 100% a Steeler in 2024 last week. Good work.
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This is what I mean about Pittsburgh media, it’s all about clicks — no accountability. I think a lot of people are just reading the tea leaves regarding DJ. Historically the Steelers have moved on from WRs like him when it’s time to pay them.
 
Peat said:
I'm wary of Mims' fitness issues and don't overly trust SvP's athletic profile as he's light and lacks reach. I think I'd prefer to trade down, grab whichever of JPJ/Barton/Frazier is there, then hope to get Kingsley Suamataia in the 2nd.

I'd be happier still if they'd solve one of C and T in FA. Realistically rookie OL are a so-so proposition over a full season. Moore ain't a great player, but he was probably a better OT than Jones at the end of the season in pass protection. Yeah, some of that's on Jones playing on the right, but not all of it.
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I would absolutely be in favor of trading back at this point and picking up an extra day 2 pick. We’ll see what other moves the make in FA, but I think they’ll need all the day 2 picks they can get.

I think you could also potentially trade down in round 1 and then use a 4th round pick to trade up in round 2 and possibly grab Frazier. Actually looking at the trade value chart, that won’t move you up much so maybe scrap that.
 
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Van Pran is light, has ridiculous short arms, and isn't particularly athletic. If we are going to go for a smaller C, I'd like us to take a look at that dude out of Wisconsin.
 
If by chance we would get Boyd is he a number 2 or 3? He'd be a serviceable 2, but excellent 3. ATM We need 2 WR's, another CB, a safety, C and another OL. DL as well.
 
xlm34 said:
I would absolutely be in favor of trading back at this point and picking up an extra day 2 pick. We’ll see what other moves the make in FA, but I think they’ll need all the day 2 picks they can get.

I think you could also potentially trade down in round 1 and then use a 4th round pick to trade up in round 2 and possibly grab Frazier. Actually looking at the trade value chart, that won’t move you up much so maybe scrap that.
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Nah. 3rd would get you some distance.

Also just going back to the talent thing - fair enough. I think my perception is getting skewed by 2022 feeling exceptional for CBs and Edge. Tackle and WR depth does feel crazy this draft though - but maybe that creates some bargains further down? To go back to Suamataia - dude is a great athlete, big potential, but only the 10th ranked tackle on DraftBuzz. Looking at DraftBuzz's consensus things at the bottom, looks like you might have to trade up to be sure of him in the 2nd, but the 4th would probably be enough.

Is he gonna be a big impact guy right away? Probably not... but probably wise to accept they're not going to walk out of the draft with everything fixed the very next day.
 
Ryder71 said:
If by chance we would get Boyd is he a number 2 or 3? He'd be a serviceable 2, but excellent 3. ATM We need 2 WR's, another CB, a safety, C and another OL. DL as well.
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My guess is that Boyd - or Reynolds, or Curtis Samuel - would start the season as the number 2 with a rookie WR primed to grab work off of them by the end of the season.
 
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xlm34 said:
I wouldn’t be mad with a center early either but when you ask about the intriguing talent in most drafts, I would say the level of talent at the tackle position in particular is rare.

So just looking ahead to next year, do I think a Mims in round 1 and Van Pram in round 3 gives you a better line than JPJ in round 1 and Moore/Round 2 or 3 tackle? I’d guess yes. And say Van Pram doesn’t work out, then I’d feel a lot more confident about finding a center the following year than I would finding a tackle.
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I also feel like they have internal candidates for C: Herbig and Daniels
 
Peat said:
Re Dulac and Johnson -

"That was a large part of it, though it's seems comical to think someone is worried about Pickens being badly influenced. One way or the other, they were going to move on from DJ"

That's from his weekly chat per Steelers Depot

This is part of why large numbers of people wouldn't trust Dulac if he said people liked drinking alcohol on St Paddy's Day. Saying it was about Pickens, then rubbishing the idea it was, all in about 24 hours.

Fwiw, it still makes sense to me that it was part of it.

edit: Oh, and he had DJ as 100% a Steeler in 2024 last week. Good work.

edit edit: Actually let's just find the actual quotes to see what makes sense here as neither's complete and maybe I'm being unfair to him. He still absolutely didn't see this coming though.

Right, actual full quote from Dulac's chat:

Dale: There have been concerns about the attitude and effort of both Johnson and Pickens. Was the trade of Johnson intended, at least in part, to keep him from serving as a negative role model for the younger receiver?
Gerry Dulac: Bingo. That was a large part of it, though it's seems comical to think someone is about Pickens being badly influenced. One way or the other, they were going to move on from DJ

So he's not saying two different things about DJ as an influence on Pickens, he's saying that's what he heard even if it makes no sense to him. Fair enough, my mistake.

But again, still didn't see the Johnson trade coming (despite other reporters getting it), has swung around like a weathervane on other subjects before, and so on. Really not a guy doing good work these days.
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Dulac is not an insider, he’s a mouthpiece with direct sources to the team.

If the Steelers want something to be known, he’s one of the guys they use to get info out there.

If you rely on him to get breaking news good luck.

If you rely on him to get the Steelers side of things they want out to the public, he’s as solid as they come.
 
MrBrightside said:
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I have no clue on his market but he’s a very interesting piece. The free agent WRs have been getting overpaid (Davis/Mooney) and the ones acquired via trade have been going for nothing (Jeudy/DJ). It’s a weird dynamic and seems like an inefficiency.

Big Mike has been injury prone his entire career. I’d lowball him. I wouldn’t want to give him any term.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
Mostly agree but don’t have a problem going WR in R1. It’s like CB where it’s a premium position.

Because of the 5th year option a 1st round pick should almost always be OT, DL/EDGE, CB, WR, or QB IMO.
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It's an important positions, but 2 things:

1. You don't need to draft them in the first round to find good ones. Of the top 16 WR last year (in terms of yards), only 6 (Lamb, Moore, Aiyuk, Evans, Cooper, Chase) were drafted in the first round. A few more were 2nd rounders, but a number of them were 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounders.

2. The Steelers already have a WR1 in Pickens. He finished 16th in yards despite the OC and QB situation. Give him a legit OC, a legit QB, and a few more targets without DJ around and he's a clear #1.

I don't think it's a premium enough position that they need to use a 1st to have 2 of those guys. It would be a luxury pick when they have a very mediocre line and several other more pressing needs.
 
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pistolpete11 said:
It's an important positions, but 2 things:

1. You don't need to draft them in the first round to find good ones. Of the top 16 WR last year (in terms of yards), only 6 (Lamb, Moore, Aiyuk, Evans, Cooper, Chase) were drafted in the first round. A few more were 2nd rounders, but a number of them were 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounders.

2. The Steelers already have a WR1 in Pickens. He finished 16th in yards despite the OC and QB situation. Give him a legit OC, a legit QB, and a few more targets without DJ around and he's a clear #1.

I don't think it's a premium enough position that they need to use a 1st to have 2 of those guys. It would be a luxury pick when they have a very mediocre line and several other more pressing needs.
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WR might not be our biggest need but it's still a pretty big need right now, pending what we do the rest of FA. We have George, CAIII (are we even comfortable with him as WR3?), and a bunch of practice squad guys right now.

Need somebody else that can win on the outside or teams are just going to double George every play.
 
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