OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[pistolpete11]

It goes back to Seattle so it hasn’t just been a one time thing. He’s just…short so the common thought is that he has trouble seeing over the middle and prefers to roll out of the pocket.

Seriously…a lot of the complaints people had about Pickett are the same complaints people are going to have about Wilson. Maybe he performs better, but I don’t have high hopes.

I think he's probably better than Pickett, but not enough to matter and then we'll be in the same spot again next year.

Fun story line, I guess...?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I assume this is sarcastic but that's actually one of the major strengths Tomlin has. He's trash in terms of his hiring, his game management, and many other key parts of the job, but he is as good as anyone at managing personalities.

Oh just like AB, Blount, Bell, Juju, Pickens, Harrison, and recently KP being a baby?

I probably missed a few. Like guys being asked for their release bc Tomlin didn't outline expectations about their playing time.

I wouldn't trust Tomlin to plan a 2 car parade.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Jordan love sat for 3 years they extended him instead of picking up the 5th year option and once he proved he was the guy they extended him so Kp can still be the guy. Art saying he wants to win a playoff game and getting a sb champion for 2 million is a win win

Oh just like AB, Blount, Bell, Juju, Pickens, Harrison, and recently KP being a baby?

I probably missed a few. Like guys being asked for their release bc Tomlin didn't outline expectations about their playing time.

I wouldn't trust Tomlin to plan a 2 car parade.

What did Bell do beside smoking weed with blunt off the field. Juju and Pickings were fine. They are humans with real emotions

 

[MrBrightside]

Oh just like AB, Blount, Bell, Juju, Pickens, Harrison, and recently KP being a baby?

I probably missed a few. Like guys being asked for their release bc Tomlin didn't outline expectations about their playing time.

I wouldn't trust Tomlin to plan a 2 car parade.

Compare what AB did in Pittsburgh to what he did everywhere else. Show me any other coach that would have gotten as many good years out of him as the Steelers did. I'm not really sure what your comments about JuJu and Harrison refer to - JuJu was never a problem and I'm not sure what you're referencing with Harrison. Every NFL team has personality issues and discipline problems - I'm absolutely NOT a Tomlin supporter and would love to move on, but to not acknowledge this as one of his strengths is odd to me.

I think he's probably better than Pickett, but not enough to matter and then we'll be in the same spot again next year.

Fun story line, I guess...?

This is how I feel. I hope they don't fall into that Colts cycle of churning the spot every year hoping someone will hit.

 

[pistolpete11]

BTW, where we at with Kaboly's insider information now?

0 for 3, so far?

Wilson signs, probably means Rudolph is gone, and ARIII gone. What was left? Boyd and a DJ trade?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Compare what AB did in Pittsburgh to what he did everywhere else. Show me any other coach that would have gotten as many good years out of him as the Steelers did. I'm not really sure what your comments about JuJu and Harrison refer to - JuJu was never a problem and I'm not sure what you're referencing with Harrison. Every NFL team has personality issues and discipline problems - I'm absolutely NOT a Tomlin supporter and would love to move on, but to not acknowledge this as one of his strengths is odd to me.

Harrison asked for his release after it was clear Tomlin wasn't straight with him about playing time. Same thing with Malik Reed.

And you don't remember the Juju Tik Tok fiasco stuff? The Bengals certainly did:

JuJu Smith-Schuster got beat up and bullied by the Bengals to 'let him know where he stands' after he danced on their logo for TikTok

After Bengals safety Vonn Bell absolutely leveled JuJu Smith-Schuster to force a fumble, the Steelers WR was relegated to "Pittsburgh TikTok star."

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Jordan love sat for 3 years they extended him instead of picking up the 5th year option and once he proved he was the guy they extended him so Kp can still be the guy. Art saying he wants to win a playoff game and getting a sb champion for 2 million is a win win


What did Bell do beside smoking weed with blunt off the field. Juju and Pickings were fine. They are humans with real emotions

Love sat behind a GOAT, so this isn’t even close to comparable.

You don’t bring in a guy for “competition” if you truly believe in your QB.

If KP doesn’t win the starting job, they need to move on after next season and start the process all over again.

Harrison asked for his release after it was clear Tomlin wasn't straight with him about playing time. Same thing with Malik Reed.

And you don't remember the Juju Tik Tok fiasco stuff? The Bengals certainly did:

JuJu Smith-Schuster got beat up and bullied by the Bengals to 'let him know where he stands' after he danced on their logo for TikTok

After Bengals safety Vonn Bell absolutely leveled JuJu Smith-Schuster to force a fumble, the Steelers WR was relegated to "Pittsburgh TikTok star."

www.businessinsider.com

Just read a blurb from Madden that RW has his own office and doesn’t go in the locker room… that has to be BS… right?

 

[pistolpete11]

This is how I feel. I hope they don't fall into that Colts cycle of churning the spot every year hoping someone will hit.

At least they aren't wasting money (Rivers) and/or draft capital (Wentz, Ryan) like the Colts, I guess.

 

[MrBrightside]

Harrison asked for his release after it was clear Tomlin wasn't straight with him about playing time. Same thing with Malik Reed.

And you don't remember the Juju Tik Tok fiasco stuff? The Bengals certainly did:

JuJu Smith-Schuster got beat up and bullied by the Bengals to 'let him know where he stands' after he danced on their logo for TikTok

After Bengals safety Vonn Bell absolutely leveled JuJu Smith-Schuster to force a fumble, the Steelers WR was relegated to "Pittsburgh TikTok star."

www.businessinsider.com

If you're seriously going to cite to a WR's social media posts as evidence to bash a head coach, I don't know what to tell you. Andy Reid's kid and assistant coach almost killed someone. Belichick's TE DID kill someone. Payton was suspended for bounties by his staff. But sure, a WR made TikTok videos so Tomlin's worse.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Good move. Pickett is a disaster so getting a veteran guy to hold things over until they can improve the position in the draft is the right move. Wilson isn't fantastic at this point but he's decent enough. I feel a lot better about their chances this year to make the playoffs.

More than anything, even if it doesn't work out, it alleviates some concern about this org that they were complacent.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Tomlin is the problem and should be gone; but I like this move. Classic low risk/high reward scenario. KP isn't done, there is something there. Maybe the time sitting he works on his lower body strength and mental aspects.

 

[xlm34]

I think he's probably better than Pickett, but not enough to matter and then we'll be in the same spot again next year.

Fun story line, I guess...?

I think this will be a media shit show

But yeah I don’t really see this as a low risk, high reward signing. If Wilson starts and does fine, like you said I still don’t think it’ll be good enough to make any sort of difference. And then you either have to give an old guy a big contract or you’re in a draft position where moving up is going to be tough.

This is just treading water to me. At least with someone like Fields you’re taking a shot on a long term option.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

KP had his own office at the facility as a rookie it was room for him to watch as much film as possible. Minka uses it so doesn’t exclusively belong to Kp.
And Kp can learn from watching a SB winning Qb every day unless you really believe that he learned nothing watching Mason

They won 10 games with 13 tds from Qbs they just got a guy who threw for 26. Thry have got 24 tds in the last 2 seasons combined. Statistically RW is the best Qb we have had since the 2018

 

[Wattsburgh]

Well, Wilson isn't a franchise QB anymore. Only thing Pickett can learn from Wilson is more throws behind the LOS.

Wouldn't be shocked if Wilson is the backup. He was terrible in Denver.

He’s still a Super Bowl winning QB who is light years ahead of Mitchell Trubisky lol. If you people don’t think Kenny can’t learn from him then well he won’t be learning from anyone.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

If you're seriously going to cite to a WR's social media posts as evidence to bash a head coach, I don't know what to tell you. Andy Reid's kid and assistant coach almost killed someone. Belichick's TE DID kill someone. Payton was suspended for bounties by his staff. But sure, a WR made TikTok videos so Tomlin's worse.

I know this is weird, but a coach can tell his players to not do certain things before the game. Or he could say "don't do it on the road and disrespect the other team"

And this is just 1 of MANY events that have transpired over Tomlin's tenure. I've listed about 10 examples so his record in this department kinda speaks for itself. And that's what makes me laugh about people claiming his strengths are "he connects with the players"

Ok cool, just because you connect with them doesn't mean you're a good leader or get the most out of them. My kids would probably say they would rather be with my ex wife bc she lets them do whatever the hell they want. Does that make her a better parent than me?

Point being is that what people want isn't always in their best interests.

 

[PensandCaps]

He’s still a Super Bowl winning QB who is light years ahead of Mitchell Trubisky lol. If you people don’t think Kenny can’t learn from him then well he won’t be learning from anyone.

Wilson is a very dumb dude. I doubt there's anything to learn from him. Seems like the type to give the backup a cold shoulder anyhow.

 

[Captain Hook]

It goes back to Seattle so it hasn’t just been a one time thing. He’s just…short so the common thought is that he has trouble seeing over the middle and prefers to roll out of the pocket.

Seriously…a lot of the complaints people had about Pickett are the same complaints people are going to have about Wilson. Maybe he performs better, but I don’t have high hopes.

Yeah, I think there are similarities between Pickett and Wilson as well. Both needlessly run into sacks for different reasons and don't throw over the middle. On the positive side they both don't throw a lot of picks and are clutch in close games. The big difference to me is Russ puts the ball in the endzone a lot more. He has a very high TD% last year and for his career while Pickett has the worst TD% in NFL history. Overall I think they are similar but I believe Russ is an upgrade for now.

 

[Wattsburgh]

Wilson is a very dumb dude. I doubt there's anything to learn from him. Seems like the type to give the backup a cold shoulder anyhow.

The easiest way to answer this is to see what type of free agents Khan is able to bring in. The quality ones won’t want to play for a dumb QB.

 

[MrBrightside]

I know this is weird, but a coach can tell his players to not do certain things before the game. Or he could say "don't do it on the road and disrespect the other team"

And this is just 1 of MANY events that have transpired over Tomlin's tenure. I've listed about 10 examples so his record in this department kinda speaks for itself. And that's what makes me laugh about people claiming his strengths are "he connects with the players"

Ok cool, just because you connect with them doesn't mean you're a good leader or get the most out of them. My kids would probably say they would rather be with my ex wife bc she lets them do whatever the hell they want. Does that make her a better parent than me?

Point being is that what people want isn't always in their best interests.

This is the last I'm going to address this because I'm the furthest thing from a Tomlin supporter, but of course there are many events that have transpired over 18 years. Every team has the same or more of these, but you're more attuned to them because you follow the Steelers far more closely and again, if you look at what he got out of guys like AB and Bell compared to what they did elsewhere, he's clearly doing something right in that regard. I think it's the over-the-top "root of all evil" criticisms of Tomlin that obscure the true issues he has a coach, but to each his own.

 

[PensandCaps]

Wilson was much better than Pickett in 2023.

Sure he was barley better, but the year before was dreadful.

Wilson really wasn't good this year either. Just threw a ton of checkdowns.

Wilson threw 27% of his passes behind the LOS. Most since 2005.

Only 26% of his throws this year were between 5-15 Yards, lowest since 2005.

So basically, Sean Payton who is an offensive genius had to shelter the hell out of Wilson to get anything decent from him.


I doubt the doofus Arthur Smith and Mike Tomlin can gameplan around a washed Wilson.

We're getting a worse QB at throwing in the middle than Pickett. Somehow that was possible.

 

[End of Line]

Could be a win or a fail but we'll see.

The drama will be interesting either way.

I don’t want more drama with this team lol. The amount of drama during the Killer B’s era was enough to last a lifetime for me

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

This is the last I'm going to address this because I'm the furthest thing from a Tomlin supporter, but of course there are many events that have transpired over 18 years. Every team has the same or more of these, but you're more attuned to them because you follow the Steelers far more closely and again, if you look at what he got out of guys like AB and Bell compared to what they did elsewhere, he's clearly doing something right in that regard. I think it's the over-the-top "root of all evil" criticisms of Tomlin that obscure the true issues he has a coach, but to each his own.

As I said, I've given plenty of examples and evidence that his "players coach" thing is a ruse. I mean Harris asked for help and Tomlin couldn't be bothered. I don't recall another player experiencing that from their HC. Do you think Andy Reid dismisses his rookie RB with a similar issue?

I don't remember another player in the league going into the opposition's huddle and getting an unsportsmanlike penalty and I've been watching football for about 40 years.

The evidence and what Tomlin has put on tape speaks for itself. If you don't want to pin it all on Tomlin, that's your perogative But just like Sullivan, the problems have been there for eons. Some people don't want to see it...

 

[xlm34]

Yeah, I think there are similarities between Pickett and Wilson as well. Both needlessly run into sacks for different reasons and don't throw over the middle. On the positive side they both don't throw a lot of picks and are clutch in close games. The big difference to me is Russ puts the ball in the endzone a lot more. He has a very high TD% last year and for his career while Pickett has the worst TD% in NFL history. Overall I think they are similar but I believe Russ is an upgrade for now.

Yeah I think calling him an upgrade is definitely accurate. I could see easily Pickett’s TD% creep up away from Canada while Wilson’s falls away from Payton to where they’re not as far apart as some people might think though.

But whatever. If Pickett can’t beat out this version of Wilson then he has no future in the league as a starter so let’s see what he’s got. I have a feeling this will be “competition” like the Trubisky competition though.

 

[T1K]

Sure he was barley better, but the year before was dreadful.

Wilson really wasn't good this year either. Just threw a ton of checkdowns.

Wilson threw 27% of his passes behind the LOS. Most since 2005.

Only 26% of his throws this year were between 5-15 Yards, lowest since 2005.

So basically, Sean Payton who is an offensive genius had to shelter the hell out of Wilson to get anything decent from him.


I doubt the doofus Arthur Smith and Mike Tomlin can gameplan around a washed Wilson.

We're getting a worse QB at throwing in the middle than Pickett. Somehow that was possible.

To say Russ was only “marginally” better than Pickett last year is extremely disingenuous. You’re not looking at this objectively.

Sean Payton made up his mind about Russ before he entered the building. It’s well documented.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Hate the Wilson move from a direction and drama perspective but I also get it. He’s better than Tannehill, Rudolph, Mitch, etc etc and costs a mil vs 5-10M. I would say Baker is comparable and he’s making $30+ mil next year (age aside). And I actually think Russ is still solid to good as far as QBs.

If they use the savings wisely it gets better.

I just think it’s brutal for finding a future QB and doesn’t get them closer to SB contention. Whether it’s Pickett or another draft pick, idk how this helps you get here. Any KP struggles at all and the calls for RW will be loud (assuming KP is even the starter). You could potentially bottom out for with a struggling Pickett too, and get a high pick. I don’t see them losing more than 8-9 games with Wilson on the roster.

I’m the most confident in our FO out of any part of the org but idk about this.