OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[bigdaddyk88]

If we go by tradition of Tomlin and Colbert I don’t think jpj is on the table they didn’t go to the pro day

 

[Ryder71]

If we go by tradition of Tomlin and Colbert I don’t think jpj is on the table they didn’t go to the pro day

Let's hope there's new traditions they embrace. Khan is not Colbert. Also heard they talked with him a lot at the senior bowl. Who knows, we'll find out in a month.

 

[Ryder71]

At the risk of stating the obvious, I feel like the success/strategy for the Steelers' draft hinges on if they can get a center and when.

If the assumption is that JPJ is a first-rounder, do you think you can drop back a few spots and still get him while adding a later pick? Or do you just stay home and take him at 20.

Or, do you think you can get Frazier at 51, or move up a handful of spots to get him? As I've said, Frazier is one of my three favorite players in this draft. If the Steelers could land him while still drafting someone else with their first-rounder, that could really be ideal.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up that they could somehow get both DeJean and Frazier.

They could probably get Dejean at 24 or 25, Frazier probably goes in the 30's so we'd have to move up 12-15 spots is my guess.

 

[JTG]

At the risk of stating the obvious, I feel like the success/strategy for the Steelers' draft hinges on if they can get a center and when.

If the assumption is that JPJ is a first-rounder, do you think you can drop back a few spots and still get him while adding a later pick? Or do you just stay home and take him at 20.

Or, do you think you can get Frazier at 51, or move up a handful of spots to get him? As I've said, Frazier is one of my three favorite players in this draft. If the Steelers could land him while still drafting someone else with their first-rounder, that could really be ideal.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up that they could somehow get both DeJean and Frazier.

DeJean and Frazier solves what are our biggest two holes. The more I think about it, with Washington on the roster, we can probably wait to grab a T.

 

[Peat]

I don't think the Oregon pro day was logistically possible given how it coincided with the start of free agency so I don't think Tomlin/Khan being absent should be read as an absence of interest.

And while normally you'd bet on them going with a player they've been closer acquainted with, this case feels ripe to be the exception and/or start of a new tradition.

 

[xlm34]

If they take a center at #20, they’re a stupider organization than I thought lol…trade down if you can into the early 2nd round…first round should be special players at premium positions where you need that 5th year option to keep the cost down if they pan out: QB, OT, D line, pass rusher, WR, CB…those are the highest paid positions…it’s good asset management to take players at those positions in the first unless a really special player at another position falls in your lap…center, guard, ILB, S, RB are not premium positions…if there’s not a premium position of equal or higher ranking at #20 than the center they like, by all means take the center, but everything I’m reading about this draft suggests there likely be a premium position player of at least equal ranking to the center…

It just depends on how good JPJ ends up being. I’m in agreement that I’d rather see them take a Tackle or more premium position at 20, but no one was saying the Steelers were stupid drafting Pouncey. Or no one is calling the Ravens stupid for drafting Linderbaum.

The thing with drafting a center in the first is that you need them to be almost immediately a top ten center to justify the selection. So it’s a risk but I’d say it’s stupid only if that player isn’t borderline elite.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

DeJean and Frazier solves what are our biggest two holes. The more I think about it, with Washington on the roster, we can probably wait to grab a T.

Do you believe Dejean can play outside cb or is he a slot guy like branch

 

[T1K]

The Steelers posted some good interviews with Khan and MT over the last couple days

 

[ChaosAgent]

Glad they got Kyle Allen.

Given how many crucial needs we have burning a 5th-6th on a 3rd string QB is a bad use of resources.

 

[Ryder71]

Did a sim yesterday, took-
1- Mims
2- Frazier
3-Corley
4- Sanristil

I like your draft! Well done! Getting Corley in rd 3 really rounds that top 3 out. You nailed it, I'd love to have that type of draft from Khan.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

We are back up in the HFboards NFL mock draft with the 2nd pick in the 3rd round. Pick 98.

The top players available are:

S: Kamren Kichens, Calen Bullock
OT: Blake Fisher
OLB: Austin Booker, Gabriel Murphy
CB: Renardo Green, Jarrian Jones

Blake Fisher seems like the obvious choice because of his extensive experience at RT at a top program and has the size the Steelers like at the position. He would fit in well as the swing tackle and when Dan Moore leaves at the end of the season he could become the starting RT in 2025.

Just to recount, we have drafted:

1st: J P-J, C
2nd: Kamari Lassiter, CB (Slot)
3rd: Jalen McMillan, WR

 

[Peat]

We are back up in the HFboards NFL mock draft with the 2nd pick in the 3rd round. Pick 98.

The top players available are:

S: Kamren Kichens, Calen Bullock
OT: Blake Fisher
OLB: Austin Booker, Gabriel Murphy
CB: Renardo Green, Jarrian Jones

Blake Fisher seems like the obvious choice because of his extensive experience at RT at a top program and has the size the Steelers like at the position. He would fit in well as the swing tackle and when Dan Moore leaves at the end of the season he could become the starting RT in 2025.

Just to recount, we have drafted:

1st: J P-J, C
2nd: Kamari Lassiter, CB (Slot)
3rd: Jalen McMillan, WR

Fisher seems like a no brainer to me too.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Traded back to 24, picked up an extra 3rd.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Matt williamson on snr said Smiths offense will have more defined reads and it will be 1 and 2 read then take off. They have a much better running game then Denver and Chicago have. You could see fields line up at wr and use the cheat motion and have him throw on trick plays

That’s sounds a lot like turning him into Slash, which was fine until Kordell tried to be a real QB..

If we go by tradition of Tomlin and Colbert I don’t think jpj is on the table they didn’t go to the pro day

He met with them at the senior bowl and was dominating in practice, so maybe they saw all they needed to and decided to skip the pro day.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Did a sim yesterday, took-
1- Mims
2- Frazier
3-Corley
4- Sanristil

Mimms got hurt at the combine he can’t stay healthy

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Beau Brade is a crazy over draft.

And who went in front of you picking Latham at 24? Latham right now is a consensus to go much higher. Could he slide, I guess.

 

[JTG]

Do you believe Dejean can play outside cb or is he a slot guy like branch

Multi-faceted. He is athletic enough to play outside without question. He doesn't have a position in my mind. DC's create packages for guys like him where he can read and react.

That’s sounds a lot like turning him into Slash, which was fine until Kordell tried to be a real QB..



He met with them at the senior bowl and was dominating in practice, so maybe they saw all they needed to and decided to skip the pro day.

It's funny reading about JPJ because many of the scouts reports read, "He has X, Y, and Z, players that have X, Y, and Z are successful. No reason to make it any harder."

 

[xlm34]

Smith just can’t quit Patterson.

 

[Ryder71]

Smith just can’t quit Patterson.

No one can!

Traded back to 24, picked up an extra 3rd.


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I doubt Latham is there at 24 and Frazier at 51. Wish they would be however.

 

[Ulf5]

Smith just can’t quit Patterson.

Should benefit from the new kickoff rules.

 

[Ryder71]

Should benefit from the new kickoff rules.

Yep, very solid move.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm a bit confused about paying a 33 year old WR/RB $3 million a year for 2 years, but I realize that he'll mostly just be a return man. Still though, he was insanely unproductive last year. Only 181 rushing yards, 38 receiving yards and 153 return yards last year.

 

[Ryder71]

I'm a bit confused about paying a 33 year old WR/RB $3 million a year for 2 years, but I realize that he'll mostly just be a return man. Still though, he was insanely unproductive last year. Only 181 rushing yards, 38 receiving yards and 153 return yards last year.

He's a 3rd RB who excels on punt returns. I like it.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I don't know anything about Patterson as a dude but maybe he's a "helps the skill guys with Smith's concepts" thing, too?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Multi-faceted. He is athletic enough to play outside without question. He doesn't have a position in my mind. DC's create packages for guys like him where he can read and react.


It's funny reading about JPJ because many of the scouts reports read, "He has X, Y, and Z, players that have X, Y, and Z are successful. No reason to make it any harder."

It’s the center stigma you don’t draft them high like RBs since quality can be found deep into the draft at these positions.

Trying to think of C taken in the first round the last 7-8 years.

Best ones:

Tyler Linderbaum - mid 20s and an anchor/ pro bowler for Ravens.

Ryan Kelly went top 20… became a pro bowler.

Frank Ragnow went top 20 and was also a pro bowler.

Lot of meh:

Garrett Bradberry was top 20 and solid, don’t remember any pro bowls.

Cesar Ruiz was mid 20s and became more of a swing man than a dominant C.

Bust:

Billy Price was like pick 22 or 23 and was mostly a bust.

That’s the ones I rem, maybe missing a guy or two but it’s pretty rare a C goes in the first and only a few have really worked out the last decade or so.