OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I just think you're putting too much weight into Dulac's article. This is literally the quote, "Fields is being viewed as a potential quarterback for the future with the Steelers... it is not their intention to bring him in merely as a backup for one season".

Potential is the key word here. Like, I would hope that they think a 25 year old QB that's #2 on the depth chart has more than one year in him. If we really viewed Fields as highly as Dulac is claiming, we wouldn't have slow played this thing until a dozen other QB's were traded or signed.

I think the most logical way to look at this is that the Steelers are just going to wait to see which QB plays the best and go from there.

But back to the opportunity cost and why I think its low - Do I think there is a chance Fields is on the roster and starting games in 2025? Certainly. But its unlikely that it would be for anything more than a Trubisky-esque bridge contract (2yr $14m) and at that price it doesn't stop us from taking another QB like we did in 2022.

It doesn’t stop them from taking another QB, but I highly suspect they will use JF as a reason not to jump up in the draft and find a legit franchise guy, especially if he sits out the entire season and Wilson does just ok.

Fields will have to shit the bed pretty hard in camp/pre-season/practice/actual games for them to move on after one season and not give him a bridge deal.

I don’t think he’s a good QB, but I don’t think he’s so bad they would give up on him after one season either.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

But what if the plan was and remains "give Wilson a year as he's free and we want to give people good news, then pivot to the young competitor unless Wilson is super impressive"?

I mean we're all guessing at this point. And whatever the plan is, it's clearly built with room to pivot depending on what's happening. But I think the potential plan I put up above looks quite likely.

Right now the plan is to hope the two highest sacked QBs the last two years who are a combined 23-39 over that time work out.

It’s not exactly the most inspiring blueprint for long term success.

I do believe Wilson may help them win a playoff game, but that is again more based on the hope of what I saw from him four years ago the last time I watched him extensively.

If I go by what I’ve seen from most Broncos fans about RW, Steelers are f***ed.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Agree. He might make a nice 3rd string but will be run out of town in 2 years because of this weird expectation that he's good.

If they thought Pickett was bad, they are really gonna hate Fields. Can't say we didn't warn them. It's almost like trading ice cream cones

Disagree on the cone analogy.

It’s like trading a melted ice cream cone for one someone just threw threw in the trash.

You know there’s a reason someone tossed that cone in the trash, but your cone is already melted away so you get desperate, flick away the flys and lick the trash cone.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Right now the plan is to hope the two highest sacked QBs the last two years who are a combined 23-39 over that time work out.

It’s not exactly the most inspiring blueprint for long term success.

I do believe Wilson may help them win a playoff game, but that is again more based on the hope of what I saw from him four years ago the last time I watched him extensively.

If I go by what I’ve seen from most Broncos fans about RW, Steelers are f***ed.

Matt williamson on snr said Smiths offense will have more defined reads and it will be 1 and 2 read then take off. They have a much better running game then Denver and Chicago have. You could see fields line up at wr and use the cheat motion and have him throw on trick plays

 

[Peat]

Right now the plan is to hope the two highest sacked QBs the last two years who are a combined 23-39 over that time work out.

It’s not exactly the most inspiring blueprint for long term success.

I do believe Wilson may help them win a playoff game, but that is again more based on the hope of what I saw from him four years ago the last time I watched him extensively.

If I go by what I’ve seen from most Broncos fans about RW, Steelers are f***ed.

I meant the plan beyond this year. How certain or not they are in Wilson and Fields. How much appetite there is for trying to draft again. Etc.etc.

Also to what extent this represents the mold of guys they're looking at.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

I really don't get the dislike for this ban. You don't need to tackle a big dude like that to stop him and the main benefit to doing so is knocking guys out of games by injuring them.

How is a CB supposed to tackle a RB from the side/behind?

 

[Ryder71]

They literally traded a 6th for him. They traded a 6th for Reed from Denver to be the depth olb. They put play time incentives to keep it a 6th on 2025 which is a 7th round pick in value
He isn’t really an upgrade over KP that much. Fields has 1 300 yard passing game in his career he doesn’t read defenses he doesn’t throw with anticipation MT was better in Chicago than Fields

Sneed got what a 3rd and a 7th? Yet Claypool got a 2hd? I'm full aware as to what they traded for him, big deal. Khan likes to get good value. Buying low is an astute move by Khan, doesn't mean he won't flourish here. Until he's here for a bit really can't conclude much of anything.

JF threw for four TDS in a game something Picket never did. He also picks up a lot of yards on the ground and is a year younger than KP. He's coming from a bad organization. If you don't like Fields fine, but he's here, so at least let's see how he and RW do in actual games before we pine over KP.

 

[Ryder71]

Kaboly thinks will go:

1. OT
2. C
3. WR

Sounds about right IF one of the 3 big centers are there in RD 2, or if we move up.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

As far as the draft. So far in the HFBoards mock, these are the players I have drafted for the Steelers:

Pick 20: Jackson Powers-Johnson
Pick 51: Kamari Lassiter
Pick 84: Jalen McMillan

Taliese Fuaga and Cooper DeJean were stareing me in the face but I drafted J P-J in the 1st because of the extreme need and an understanding that Barton or Frazier won’t be there at 51. And I was right, Barton went at the end of Round 1 and Frazier was the first pick of Round 2.

In the end, for all the people saying take the tackle, take the tackle. Then be prepared to overdraft SVP or be reliant on Herbig or the dude from Wisconsin or the dude from Florida in the 5th/6th round.

Lassiter is a slot CB with good quickness and great compete level from a high end program. I didn’t like the WR value at that pick. A lot of WR went before 51 and the guys left were not good value at the pick. Lassiter is good value at that pick. The top draftniks him as a top 40 player. The Steelers have met with Lassiter multiple times during the draft process.

McMillan is a 2/3 WR that has great route tree fundamentals and would be a good add to the WR room. He has decent speed and understands how to get open. At 84 he is good value and the Steelers have met with him multiple times during the draft process.

At 98, I will see what DL and OT are available.

 

[Ulf5]

Khan might not be done cooking-

Omar Khan Doesn't Rule Out Possibility Of Trade For Center

Pittsburgh Steelers general manager Omar Khan met with the media today at the NFL’s annual league meetings in Orlando, Florida, and he addressed the team’s hole at center that still remains after the team released Mason Cole in late February. According to Dale Lolley of Steelers.com, Khan said...

steelersdepot.com

 

[xlm34]

If they do nothing else in FA for WR and wait until round 3 to draft one, whoo boy would that make me uncomfortable. A receiver room of:

Pickens
R3 WR
Quez Watkins
Van Jefferson
Calvin Austin

Would be something.

 

[Ryder71]

Khan might not be done cooking-

Omar Khan Doesn't Rule Out Possibility Of Trade For Center

Pittsburgh Steelers general manager Omar Khan met with the media today at the NFL’s annual league meetings in Orlando, Florida, and he addressed the team’s hole at center that still remains after the team released Mason Cole in late February. According to Dale Lolley of Steelers.com, Khan said...

steelersdepot.com

He better not be, lots to get done.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Kaboly thinks will go:

1. OT
2. C
3. WR

Sounds about right IF one of the 3 big centers are there in RD 2, or if we move up.

Still think cb is in play at 20

If they do nothing else in FA for WR and wait until round 3 to draft one, whoo boy would that make me uncomfortable. A receiver room of:

Pickens
R3 WR
Quez Watkins
Van Jefferson
Calvin Austin

Would be something.

Its a room of cuys who run fast and can advantage of the play action deep balls from rw

 

[T1K]

Still think cb is in play at 20


Its a room of cuys who run fast and can advantage of the play action deep balls from rw

None of them are good route runners. That’s a recipe for disaster

 

[bigdaddyk88]

None of them are good route runners. That’s a recipe for disaster

Do not need route runners neither willson or fields use the mof. They extend plays and throw deep

 

[Ulf5]

Still think cb is in play at 20


Its a room of cuys who run fast and can advantage of the play action deep balls from rw

I have to disagree with CB being in play at 20. OL, WR and probably DL would be drafted at 20 before CB. They are definitely higher on Jackson than the fans. And I've seen Sanristil last til the 3rd in mocks and simulators almost always. Not that that means jack shit.
But I've seen him compared to Hilton with better ball skills.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I have to disagree with CB being in play at 20. OL, WR and probably DL would be drafted at 20 before CB. They are definitely higher on Jackson than the fans. And I've seen Sanristil last til the 3rd in mocks and simulators almost always. Not that that means jack shit.
But I've seen him compared to Hilton with better ball skills.

They have 6 wr mims calloway will fight with Jefferson and Watkins but all have been wr 2 n the nfl. Ca3 and GP
They have 6 dl on the roster adams just got a 2 year deal benton and lary o and Heyward plus leal louder on rookie deals
They have 2 cbs and 2 unknowns in trice and rush

 

[Peat]

I have to disagree with CB being in play at 20. OL, WR and probably DL would be drafted at 20 before CB. They are definitely higher on Jackson than the fans. And I've seen Sanristil last til the 3rd in mocks and simulators almost always. Not that that means jack shit.
But I've seen him compared to Hilton with better ball skills.

There seems to be a nice little pocket of slot CBs expected to be around the 3rd with guys like Melton and Sainristil. I can see them going shopping there. It's arguably the bigger immediate gap than boundary guys.

 

[JTG]

As far as the draft. So far in the HFBoards mock, these are the players I have drafted for the Steelers:

Pick 20: Jackson Powers-Johnson
Pick 51: Kamari Lassiter
Pick 84: Jalen McMillan

Taliese Fuaga and Cooper DeJean were stareing me in the face but I drafted J P-J in the 1st because of the extreme need and an understanding that Barton or Frazier won’t be there at 51. And I was right, Barton went at the end of Round 1 and Frazier was the first pick of Round 2.

In the end, for all the people saying take the tackle, take the tackle. Then be prepared to overdraft SVP or be reliant on Herbig or the dude from Wisconsin or the dude from Florida in the 5th/6th round.

Lassiter is a slot CB with good quickness and great compete level from a high end program. I didn’t like the WR value at that pick. A lot of WR went before 51 and the guys left were not good value at the pick. Lassiter is good value at that pick. The top draftniks him as a top 40 player. The Steelers have met with Lassiter multiple times during the draft process.

McMillan is a 2/3 WR that has great route tree fundamentals and would be a good add to the WR room. He has decent speed and understands how to get open. At 84 he is good value and the Steelers have met with him multiple times during the draft process.

At 98, I will see what DL and OT are available.

I'd be happy with that, honestly. Is Sweat off the board? Would be nice to get a big NT and let Benton slide over to 5-tech.

 

[Ulf5]

They have 6 wr mims calloway will fight with Jefferson and Watkins but all have been wr 2 n the nfl. Ca3 and GP
They have 6 dl on the roster adams just got a 2 year deal benton and lary o and Heyward plus leal louder on rookie deals
They have 2 cbs and 2 unknowns in trice and rush

I think Loudermilk and possibly Leal are flirting with bust territory at this point.

 

[Ryder71]

Still think cb is in play at 20


Its a room of cuys who run fast and can advantage of the play action deep balls from rw

For Mitchell, hell yes, for Dejean, if we move back a few spots.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think Loudermilk and possibly Leal are flirting with bust territory at this point.

Loudermilk is a rotation piece that was a 5th round pick and is exactly as advertised tun stuffing de with no pass rush skill. Definitely not a bust. Leal because he has no position sure

For Mitchell, hell yes, for Dejean, if we move back a few spots.

I don’t think Dejean is a cb he is a safety and don’t want him at all

 

[Peat]

As far as the draft. So far in the HFBoards mock, these are the players I have drafted for the Steelers:

Pick 20: Jackson Powers-Johnson
Pick 51: Kamari Lassiter
Pick 84: Jalen McMillan

Taliese Fuaga and Cooper DeJean were stareing me in the face but I drafted J P-J in the 1st because of the extreme need and an understanding that Barton or Frazier won’t be there at 51. And I was right, Barton went at the end of Round 1 and Frazier was the first pick of Round 2.

In the end, for all the people saying take the tackle, take the tackle. Then be prepared to overdraft SVP or be reliant on Herbig or the dude from Wisconsin or the dude from Florida in the 5th/6th round.

Lassiter is a slot CB with good quickness and great compete level from a high end program. I didn’t like the WR value at that pick. A lot of WR went before 51 and the guys left were not good value at the pick. Lassiter is good value at that pick. The top draftniks him as a top 40 player. The Steelers have met with Lassiter multiple times during the draft process.

McMillan is a 2/3 WR that has great route tree fundamentals and would be a good add to the WR room. He has decent speed and understands how to get open. At 84 he is good value and the Steelers have met with him multiple times during the draft process.

At 98, I will see what DL and OT are available.

Wouldn't be a bad spot to consider shopping at ILB or Safety either imo.

 

[Captain Hook]

As far as the draft. So far in the HFBoards mock, these are the players I have drafted for the Steelers:

Pick 20: Jackson Powers-Johnson
Pick 51: Kamari Lassiter
Pick 84: Jalen McMillan

Taliese Fuaga and Cooper DeJean were stareing me in the face but I drafted J P-J in the 1st because of the extreme need and an understanding that Barton or Frazier won’t be there at 51. And I was right, Barton went at the end of Round 1 and Frazier was the first pick of Round 2.

In the end, for all the people saying take the tackle, take the tackle. Then be prepared to overdraft SVP or be reliant on Herbig or the dude from Wisconsin or the dude from Florida in the 5th/6th round.

Lassiter is a slot CB with good quickness and great compete level from a high end program. I didn’t like the WR value at that pick. A lot of WR went before 51 and the guys left were not good value at the pick. Lassiter is good value at that pick. The top draftniks him as a top 40 player. The Steelers have met with Lassiter multiple times during the draft process.

McMillan is a 2/3 WR that has great route tree fundamentals and would be a good add to the WR room. He has decent speed and understands how to get open. At 84 he is good value and the Steelers have met with him multiple times during the draft process.

At 98, I will see what DL and OT are available.

I like that draft but the center or tackle debate is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Don't take the center and be stuck with Herbig or a mid round pick but don't take the tackle in round one means we're likely stuck with Dan Moore starting at tackle again next year. Pick your poison. The Steelers are probably going to have to get pretty creative to upgrade both the starting center and tackle positions.

 

[Ryder71]

Loudermilk is a rotation piece that was a 5th round pick and is exactly as advertised tun stuffing de with no pass rush skill. Definitely not a bust. Leal because he has no position sure


I don’t think Dejean is a cb he is a safety and don’t want him at all

Those are the only two guys who are realistic at or around 20, I'd take that's not a OT or a Center. Mitchell would be my number 1, even though we have other needs. But if he isn't there you go OL, unless we move back and get another pick.