OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[MrBrightside]

I think Loudermilk and possibly Leal are flirting with bust territory at this point.

I don't think a 5th round pick can ever be a bust, really. Anything you get out of that slot in the draft is fine but isn't expected.

I have to disagree with CB being in play at 20. OL, WR and probably DL would be drafted at 20 before CB. They are definitely higher on Jackson than the fans. And I've seen Sanristil last til the 3rd in mocks and simulators almost always. Not that that means jack shit.
But I've seen him compared to Hilton with better ball skills.

They've met with a bunch of CB and OT at pro days. I think CB is absolutely in play.

 

[T1K]

Do not need route runners neither willson or fields use the mof. They extend plays and throw deep

Defenses will just focus on shutting down Pickens. That’s not a good setup at all and you know it.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Defenses will just focus on shutting down Pickens. That’s not a good setup at all and you know it.

I didn’t want to trade dj but here we are. They decided he wasn’t getting a 3rd contract here

Those are the only two guys who are realistic at or around 20, I'd take that's not a OT or a Center. Mitchell would be my number 1, even though we have other needs. But if he isn't there you go OL, unless we move back and get another pick.

Wiggins and Arnold maybe a trade down for kool aid

 

[Peat]

Probably not worth reading too much into this, but Curry (LBs) is the only defence position group coach to have hit a pro day so far. Austin has hit a few though - he's seen all of Lassiter, Arnold, Wiggins, and McKinstry.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[MrBrightside]

Over/under of how many game-altering blown calls on "hip drop" tackles we'll have this year? 10? Higher?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Over/under of how many game-altering blown calls on "hip drop" tackles we'll have this year? 10? Higher?

Definitely higher. They still miss on roughing the passer and DPi and aren’t sure what a catch is

 

[JTG]

The thing that is nice about DeJean is he is going to play some position immediately. He's too good not to.

Over/under of how many game-altering blown calls on "hip drop" tackles we'll have this year? 10? Higher?

I believe I read that it won't be penalized...only fined.

 

[Ryder71]

I didn’t want to trade dj but here we are. They decided he wasn’t getting a 3rd contract here


Wiggins and Arnold maybe a trade down for kool aid

No Kool aid, no Wiggins either. If those are the choices you address the OL, JPJ or Mims.

 

[Captain Hook]

I have to disagree with CB being in play at 20. OL, WR and probably DL would be drafted at 20 before CB. They are definitely higher on Jackson than the fans. And I've seen Sanristil last til the 3rd in mocks and simulators almost always. Not that that means jack shit.
But I've seen him compared to Hilton with better ball skills.

I wouldn't rule it out. CB isn't their top need at 20 but sometimes the value is too good to pass up. If Terrion Arnold, Quinyon Mitchell or maybe Cooper Dejean (if they see him as CB) fall they may be can't pass up type of picks for the Steelers.

 

[Peat]

The thing that is nice about DeJean is he is going to play some position immediately. He's too good not to.


I believe I read that it won't be penalized...only fined.

15 yards automatic first down.

 

[Power Surge]

Disagree on the cone analogy.

It’s like trading a melted ice cream cone for one someone just threw threw in the trash.

You know there’s a reason someone tossed that cone in the trash, but your cone is already melted away so you get desperate, flick away the flys and lick the trash cone.

I digress, you say it better

 

[bigdaddyk88]

No Kool aid, no Wiggins either. If those are the choices you address the OL, JPJ or Mims.

JPJ doesn’t fit smith offense he doesn’t pull or do anything we asked pouncey to do. Mims is even rawer than jones and will guarantee moore plays lt all year because he has to redshirt.

 

[Ryder71]

JPJ doesn’t fit smith offense he doesn’t pull or do anything we asked pouncey to do. Mims is even rawer than jones and will guarantee moore plays lt all year because he has to redshirt.

Don't necessarily agree with that assessment. To me a guy like Guyton is more raw. I just think Mims while inexperienced is uber talented. Maybe follow a similar path to Jones where by mid season he gets into the line up and stays there. I think JPJ is talented enough to fit the system. The schemes were different in Oregon, but I don't see an inability there to adapt. He also has a world of talent, once he assimilates (which IMO shouldn't take too long) he'll be solid for a decade. I wouldn't mind Frazier or Barton but certainly not at 20.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Don't necessarily agree with that assessment. To me a guy like Guyton is more raw. I just think Mims while inexperienced is uber talented. Maybe follow a similar path to Jones where by mid season he gets into the line up and stays there. I think JPJ is talented enough to fit the system. The schemes were different in Oregon, but I don't see an inability there to adapt. He also has a world of talent, once he assimilates (which IMO shouldn't take too long) he'll be solid for a decade. I wouldn't mind Frazier or Barton but certainly not at 20.

There’s a reason why joj hasn’t run yet or done any agility drills the tape doesn’t lie. He is a phone both c like dotson is at rg. His strength is m2m straight forward blocking
Mimms has 8 starts in his career Guyton had 10 at TCU before he transferred

 

[MrBrightside]

 

[JTG]

15 yards automatic first down.

Yeah, so that's definitely going to ruin some games.

There’s a reason why joj hasn’t run yet or done any agility drills the tape doesn’t lie. He is a phone both c like dotson is at rg. His strength is m2m straight forward blocking
Mimms has 8 starts in his career Guyton had 10 at TCU before he transferred

He's running at his Pro Day like every single top prospect does. He jumped and benched. Both showed he is an explosive athlete.

 

[JTG]

JPJ doesn’t fit smith offense he doesn’t pull or do anything we asked pouncey to do. Mims is even rawer than jones and will guarantee moore plays lt all year because he has to redshirt.

He's a multi-scheme fit. He's more than explosive enough to pull.

 

[Ryder71]

There’s a reason why joj hasn’t run yet or done any agility drills the tape doesn’t lie. He is a phone both c like dotson is at rg. His strength is m2m straight forward blocking
Mimms has 8 starts in his career Guyton had 10 at TCU before he transferred

Guyton does have more experience, but that doesn't necessarily indicate he is gonna be better at the next level. And he's far from a finished product himself. Initially I liked Guyton, but the more I looked into it I'm higher on Mims. I also think the Steelers have more comfort with Georgia Bulldogs. If it's a choice between the two I'd be shocked if Mims wasn't their guy. If Quinyon Mitchell is gone and they don't move down I think it's JPJ or Mims.

He's a multi-scheme fit. He's more than explosive enough to pull.

Exactly, he doesn't strike me as limited in any way.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He's a multi-scheme fit. He's more than explosive enough to pull.

It doesn’t show on tape often

 

[Ryder71]

It doesn’t show on tape often

Probably because he's not put in those situations often. Doesn't mean he's incapable of doing so.

 

[Ulf5]

Kaboly thinks will go:

1. OT
2. C
3. WR

Sounds about right IF one of the 3 big centers are there in RD 2, or if we move up.

Did a sim yesterday, took-
1- Mims
2- Frazier
3-Corley
4- Sanristil

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

At the risk of stating the obvious, I feel like the success/strategy for the Steelers' draft hinges on if they can get a center and when.

If the assumption is that JPJ is a first-rounder, do you think you can drop back a few spots and still get him while adding a later pick? Or do you just stay home and take him at 20.

Or, do you think you can get Frazier at 51, or move up a handful of spots to get him? As I've said, Frazier is one of my three favorite players in this draft. If the Steelers could land him while still drafting someone else with their first-rounder, that could really be ideal.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up that they could somehow get both DeJean and Frazier.

 

[Andy99]

If they take a center at #20, they’re a stupider organization than I thought lol…trade down if you can into the early 2nd round…first round should be special players at premium positions where you need that 5th year option to keep the cost down if they pan out: QB, OT, D line, pass rusher, WR, CB…those are the highest paid positions…it’s good asset management to take players at those positions in the first unless a really special player at another position falls in your lap…center, guard, ILB, S, RB are not premium positions…if there’s not a premium position of equal or higher ranking at #20 than the center they like, by all means take the center, but everything I’m reading about this draft suggests there likely be a premium position player of at least equal ranking to the center…

 

[Peat]

If they take a center at #20, they’re a stupider organization than I thought lol…trade down if you can into the early 2nd round…first round should be special players at premium positions where you need that 5th year option to keep the cost down if they pan out: QB, OT, D line, pass rusher, WR, CB…those are the highest paid positions…it’s good asset management to take players at those positions in the first unless a really special player at another position falls in your lap…center, guard, ILB, S, RB are not premium positions…if there’s not a premium position of equal or higher ranking at #20 than the center they like, by all means take the center, but everything I’m reading about this draft suggests there likely be a premium position player of at least equal ranking to the center…

Maybe they believe JPJ will be a really special player

I have to say I mostly agree with you. It's meant to be a special draft for OT and the mocks currently say they'll be in the right spot to get involved. There's some great CBs and WRs too. I'm kind of okay with the logic of "but it's not all that difficult now to find talented WRs outside of the 1st and maybe you don't want to keep them around for a second highly inflated contract, so maybe not a 1st on a WR" but, even with Donte Jackson, they're going to get their money's worth out of a 1st round CB.

C... well, we'll see.

You'd think Khan would be more pro-look at the money than most GMs too (but then, two of the decision makers here are the same guys who made the even worse mistake of 1st round RB, so who knows who's calling what).

The one thing I will say in favour of this though -

Lot of people laughed at Detroit at the end of last draft because of how horny they were for non-premium positions. People aren't laughing so much now. Detroit had an open philosophy of drafting toughness and professionalism - guys who'd come in with the right mentality to push a struggling franchise back over the edge to the right side.

The Steelers are kind of struggling. The results says they aren't but I think everything else does and nobody would be that surprised if all of a sudden the Steelers stopped being the kings of winning close games against okay team and came down to earth with a thud. There's a stench coming from the locker room. Khan has done some solid work cleaning that out but there's still a job that needs to be finished there and new pieces to be put in.

If they think an early Center will add the toughest, smartest, no nonsense and no excuses guy there then I buy the logic. I don't know that should outweigh the premium position thing but there is at least an argument.