OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Suggesting that dumping one of two NFL WR from the roster would leave the room thin = championing a cancer.

God you're intellectually lazy. ROBBLE ROBBLE indeed man. One note, one trick pony incapable of nuance or high level thought. But please, tell us again how awesome Pickett is and how awful Tomlin is. We missed it the first 238349 times. I'll hang up and listen.

This coming from a guy who whines non stop about KP like he banged your lady.

Seek therapy.

Then you look dumb as hell trying to talk about another’s intelligence and can’t even recall the Steelers just moved a locker room issue WR for a second a whopping whole season ago.

That’s tough business recalling that huh there sparky?

And uh, didn’t they just dump their starting center with almost no experience behind him?

Go on lecturing us how this miserable offense will fail without the avg wr who is a clear locker room cancer.

“It was totally DJ policing Fitz!”.

I can see the argument for trading DJ if he isn’t going to sign and extension heck GP is going to want out soon. Wr is the most dependent position in the league you don’t ball out if you’re playing with a bottom 5 Qb. If you have any hope for Kp you need proven guys who can get open and make plays.

You also need a proven center if you want your QBs to succeed.

That’s what FA is for.

 

[JTG]

I don't think DJ is a cancer, but I don't think DJ is a WR that helps his QB. If he played with an upper echelon QB I think he could be a top 5 WR. He's not going to hit that here currently with what we have.

If they sign Russ...I think he and DJ could be incredible together.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

We just watch Creed Humphrey struggle with snaps in the super bowl and Maholmes made it work. We saw Mason deal with Coles snaps for 4 weeks and made it work

 

[TooManyHumans]

DJ is not someone I am ever going to have trust in. Dude just comes up small too often for me.

 

[MrBrightside]

Literally all season the KP defenders offered excuses that he had a bad coordinator and had no weapons. Now they want to blow open another hole in the roster by trading his best weapon (or one of the two best) and then try to fill that newly-created hole while also adding a C, OT, 2 ILB, S, DL help, and probably more OL depth. Great plan guys. What are we doing here. They need to add to the WR room, not subtract, and you can only fill so many holes at once. Unless of course nothing matters since Tomlin is the coach so I’m not sure why anyone follows them anyway but whatever.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

DJ is not someone I am ever going to have trust in. Dude just comes up small too often for me.

He has tons of big moments

 

[DanielPlainview]

Literally all season the KP defenders offered excuses that he had a bad coordinator and had no weapons. Now they want to blow open another hole in the roster by trading his best weapon (or one of the two best) and then try to fill that newly-created hole while also adding a C, OT, 2 ILB, S, DL help, and probably more OL depth. Great plan guys. What are we doing here. They need to add to the WR room, not subtract, and you can only fill so many holes at once. Unless of course nothing matters since Tomlin is the coach so I’m not sure why anyone follows them anyway but whatever.

Who said he had no weapons? The problem was the scheme didn’t use them properly. A drunk chimpanzee could put together an offense that moves the ball with DJ, Pickens, Allen, Austin, Muth, Harris, and Warren, but the Steelers somehow found and stuck with a guy who couldn’t figure it out.

I think far more people pointed out that the OL was a trash heap that didn’t do KP any favors.

As far as creating a hole, normally I’d agree but we have a scheme change and DJ seems like he may be a bad fit. If you can get a decent pick or two for him, move him.

 

[MrBrightside]

Who said he had no weapons? The problem was the scheme didn’t use them properly. A drunk chimpanzee could put together an offense that moves the ball with DJ, Pickens, Allen, Austin, Muth, Harris, and Warren, but the Steelers somehow found and stuck with a guy who couldn’t figure it out.

I think far more people pointed out that the OL was a trash heap that didn’t do KP any favors.

I stopped reading when you suggested that Allen Robinson is a legitimate NFL weapon.

 

[DanielPlainview]

I stopped reading when you suggested that Allen Robinson is a legitimate NFL weapon.

That’s because you have poor reading comprehension

 

[MrBrightside]

That’s because you have poor reading comprehension

Or you just named a bunch of names to be contrary even if they didn’t make sense. Either way.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

One of the biggest KP mouth breathers around here somehow turned this into a KP bash fest when the discussion had nothing to do with him.

His typical MO.

Just like Cole can be replaced in FA, so can an avg WR.

If Claypool got a second, so could DJ.

We saw what that second yielded in JPJ.

Leverage your assets and keep rebuilding the offense with more young talent.

 

[DanielPlainview]

Or you just named a bunch of names to be contrary even if they didn’t make sense. Either way.

I named the WR corp of which Allen was a part of and provided a solid veteran option. You're basing your analysis of him on Canada's offense. Every offense he'd been a part of before Pittsburgh he was a solid piece.

 

[MrBrightside]

I named the WR corp of which Allen was a part of and provided a solid veteran option. You're basing your analysis of him on Canada's offense. Every offense he'd been a part of before Pittsburgh he was a solid piece.

Allen Robinson has been washed for 3 years. Calvin Austin is completely unproven and has done next to nothing. But sure, when you have those guys it’s cool to dump one of your actual established and productive guys.

One of the biggest KP mouth breathers around here somehow turned this into a KP bash fest when the discussion had nothing to do with him.

His typical MO.

Just like Cole can be replaced in FA, so can an avg WR.

If Claypool got a second, so could DJ.

We saw what that second yielded in JPJ.

Leverage your assets and keep rebuilding the offense with more young talent.

I didn’t bash Pickett. I instead said that taking away one of the two actual NFL WR in the roster won’t do him any favors. But I know, I know, even though we all should know that Johnson is trash we are sure to get a great asset for him. Whew.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Claypool was on his rookie deal and the bears were desperate to make Fields work. DJ is in a contract year why would he fetch a 2nd guaranteed in tour mind

 

[MrBrightside]

Claypool was on his rookie deal and the bears were desperate to make Fields work. DJ is in a contract year why would he fetch a 2nd guaranteed in tour mind

Especially since he sucks and is slow and is a cancer. Teams should be lining up to trade a great asset for a guy like that.

 

[DanielPlainview]

DJ is 27 and very productive. He can fetch a 2nd.

Allen Robinson has been washed for 3 years. Calvin Austin is completely unproven and has done next to nothing. But sure, when you have those guys it’s cool to dump one of your actual established and productive guys.

Washed how? Not being a #1 or #2? That's stupid. He's brought in to be a depth piece and did that. It's not his fault the offense was trash.

 

[Peat]

It's great comedy to watch people simultaneously drag DJ as a slow overrated cancer and then talk up the great trade return the Steelers would get for him.

It's also great comedy to see people suggest a team that is already thin at WR to dump one of two it has on the roster that would play for any serious team without any realistic plan to address the situation other than to call someone who thinks that it would leave them in a bad spot at the position a "Johnson apologist." Guess it's at least a break from the pure Tomlin nihilism.

If you can trade him for a 2nd then you have 10m of cap and a 2nd with which to replace him. That's two okay shots at getting a player who contributes as much as I'd project him to do so in Smith's offence. Most likely neither is quite as good but maybe you get lucky, and even if you don't at least you have depth.

And you can also replace DJ to no small extent by making Pickens and Muth more important. Neither guy got targeted as much as their talent suggested they should. An offence where Pickens is target 1, Muth is target 2, and there's a genuine battle for target 3 feels like it's at least equal.

Which isn't ideal, but then neither is letting Johnson walk for nothing but a comp pick next year.



edit: Looking at this - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/transactions/wide-receiver/trade/ - projecting a 2nd seems a little ballsy -

But at the same time, there's a lot of cap sloshing around all of a sudden, and it's very easy to argue he's better than his numbers and would be for the majority of a new 3-4 year contract for an acquiring team

 

[bigdaddyk88]

DJ is 27 and very productive. He can fetch a 2nd.



Washed how? Not being a #1 or #2? That's stupid. He's brought in to be a depth piece and did that. It's not his fault the offense was trash.

He hasn’t cracked 1000 yards since 2020. He is way over paid to be a depth piece and has been consistently going down In yards tds and reactions since

 

[MrBrightside]

He hasn’t cracked 1000 yards since 2020. He is way over paid to be a depth piece and has been consistently going down In yards tds and reactions since

1000 yards? Robinson hasn’t cracked 500 yards since 2020. He has 4 TD in 3 seasons. Are we really debating whether Allen Robinson can still play? Holy hell.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If you can trade him for a 2nd then you have 10m of cap and a 2nd with which to replace him. That's two okay shots at getting a player who contributes as much as I'd project him to do so in Smith's offence. Most likely neither is quite as good but maybe you get lucky, and even if you don't at least you have depth.

And you can also replace DJ to no small extent by making Pickens and Muth more important. Neither guy got targeted as much as their talent suggested they should. An offence where Pickens is target 1, Muth is target 2, and there's a genuine battle for target 3 feels like it's at least equal.

Which isn't ideal, but then neither is letting Johnson walk for nothing but a comp pick next year.

Pickens had 115 targets Muth has been our 3rd targeted guy since Claypool left. The lions 49ers eagles have 2 wr and a te as there top 3 target guys just like we have had

 

[bigdaddyk88]

1000 yards? Robinson hasn’t cracked 500 yards since 2020. He has 4 TD in 3 seasons. Are we really debating whether Allen Robinson can still play? Holy hell.

At 3 million he is fine for what Smith wants but because Altanta has Mac Hollins Van jefferson and Hodge all entering Fa and know smith offense I think they move on from Robinson not 10 million will he take a cut or extensions like Peterson and cam

 

[DanielPlainview]

He hasn’t cracked 1000 yards since 2020. He is way over paid to be a depth piece and has been consistently going down In yards tds and reactions since

He was on pace for around 600 yards and 6 TDs with the Rams. That's good for a depth option. It's not his fault the Steelers offense was all-time bad.

 

[MrBrightside]

If you can trade him for a 2nd then you have 10m of cap and a 2nd with which to replace him. That's two okay shots at getting a player who contributes as much as I'd project him to do so in Smith's offence. Most likely neither is quite as good but maybe you get lucky, and even if you don't at least you have depth.

And you can also replace DJ to no small extent by making Pickens and Muth more important. Neither guy got targeted as much as their talent suggested they should. An offence where Pickens is target 1, Muth is target 2, and there's a genuine battle for target 3 feels like it's at least equal.

Which isn't ideal, but then neither is letting Johnson walk for nothing but a comp pick next year.



edit: Looking at this - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/transactions/wide-receiver/trade/ - projecting a 2nd seems a little ballsy -

But at the same time, there's a lot of cap sloshing around all of a sudden, and it's very easy to argue he's better than his numbers and would be for the majority of a new 3-4 year contract for an acquiring team

So if getting a good WR in the second round is such a sure thing, why would a team that needs one not just use that pick to get said WR on a rookie deal rather than trading the Steelers a second round pick to pay Johnson $16M in his walk season?

 

[Peat]

Pickens had 115 targets Muth has been our 3rd targeted guy since Claypool left. The lions 49ers eagles have 2 wr and a te as there top 3 target guys just like we have had

And Pickens' two most targeted games of the season came without Johnson in the line-up. His 106 regular season targets don't make the top 30.

Muth's targets fell last season.

Or to put it another way -

Johnson had 6.7 targets a game last season.

Pickens had 6.2, Freiermuth had 3.9.

You can easily give Pickens and Muth both another target - which would incidentally take them to the combined targets given to London and Pitts, more or less - and then it's replacing 4.7 targets a game which is less high end WR2 territory. That guy doesn't need to be leaned on so hard.

So if getting a good WR in the second round is such a sure thing, why would a team that needs one not just use that pick to get said WR on a rookie deal rather than trading the Steelers a second round pick to pay Johnson $16M in his walk season?

I don't know how you got "sure thing" from

"That's two okay shots at getting a player who contributes as much as I'd project him to do so in Smith's offence. Most likely neither is quite as good"

But that is a truly remarkable reading of my words by my book.

It is very clearly not a sure thing, even for a team as good at drafting WRs as the Steelers. But, as part of a package of measures, it forms part of what seems an acceptable gamble to me for the team's future given that DJ probably doesn't have a future here.

And in terms of whether a team would do it, as you can see from the quoted edit, it's not sure. But maybe they would if they need instant help. Teams do overpay for proven WRs from time to time, even guys about to get paid.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Allen Robinson has been washed for 3 years. Calvin Austin is completely unproven and has done next to nothing. But sure, when you have those guys it’s cool to dump one of your actual established and productive guys.


I didn’t bash Pickett. I instead said that taking away one of the two actual NFL WR in the roster won’t do him any favors. But I know, I know, even though we all should know that Johnson is trash we are sure to get a great asset for him. Whew.

You’re so deep into your KP obsession that you don’t even know wtf you are typing about him anymore I guess.

It’s ok there ‘lil Sparky, world isn’t gonna end because KP has wronged you and not developed like you hoped.

And ya solid point there… Steelers could never get a 2nd for an avg WR that is a locker room issue.

Did you bang out this nonsense wearing your Claypool Pro Bowl jersey?