OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[Night Shift]

Wonder what Todd has to say about Tomlin. We know Arians hates him. Arians wife Really Hates him. I'm curious. Lol

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I have one: Never had a winning season without Ben

The national press will just say that he had a losing season because he had to deal with the inconsistencies of a rookie QB and that TJ Watt missed 6 games.

todd's father never was a coach. he was more scouting / player personal.
he drafted the players, noll taught them.

I couldn't remember exactly what it was, I just remember Todd saying he grew up around the Steelers and was at training camps when he was a kid. So thinking about it again, he does have a history with the team and thus I would now put him in that category.

Thus the only coordinators that did not have a Pittsburgh connection since Cowher's original staff are Ray Sherman and Kevin Gilbride in the late 90's. And neither of them covered themselves in glory and thus I believe that's why the organization brings in coaches at lesser positions and then moves them up.

Thus I would be surprised if the next OC isn't from Pittsburgh or has worked for the Steelers.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The local media are finally waking up a bit.

Rooney is the one that needs to wake up, but maybe the local media getting their heads out of the sand can pressure him.

Of course that guy that owns the Pirates doesn’t seem to care about criticisms as long as he makes money I’ve heard.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Pickett may not be the true franchise guy, but good god some teams strike out even worse than the Steelers may strike out on Pickett.

The worst case scenario with Pickett is that he just doesn’t have the talent to be a NFL starter, but he still seems like a great leadership guy and a good locker room guy. Wilson was drafted #2 overall and also seems to be a shit leader.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Pickett may not be the true franchise guy, but good god some teams strike out even worse than the Steelers may strike out on Pickett.

The worst case scenario with Pickett is that he just doesn’t have the talent to be a NFL starter, but he still seems like a great leadership guy and a good locker room guy. Wilson was drafted #2 overall and also seems to be a shit leader.

If KP was playing like Wilson in his second year I’d be worried, but there is still time for him.

However, it should be a wake up call that the whole “wait and get a QB next year with a higher pick” mantra is dubious at best.

Jets took Darold third overall and a couple years later grabbed Wilson second overall.

I’m even watching Mac Jones who looked primed to take a bigger leap in his second year, and he’s regressed badly.

Lawrence hasn’t taken a big leap either, and he’s just a freak athlete.

He recently said his confidence was never really tested until the NFL and the mental side of it:

“This game really tests you mentally, obviously physically, but mentally especially, really when you’re having not a great year as a team, as a player, as an offense, whatever that may be.”

Lots of arm chair QBs who have no clue about how difficult it is for young QBs, especially when you are surrounded by incompetence like Lawrence and KP.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

This isn’t exactly news and I’ve been harping on it for the better pet of two seasons now - Canada has zero feel for the game and how to call plays.

I made this comparison before, but he’s like a 1200 chess player trying to outmaneuver grandmasters.

He just seems to have no clue.

 

[Night Shift]

Mike Tomlin Excuses Steelers Predictable Offensive Play-Calling | Sports Illustrated Pittsburgh Steelers News, Analysis and More

Tomlin sucks at talking. This is literally headache worthy.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Mike Tomlin Excuses Steelers Predictable Offensive Play-Calling | Sports Illustrated Pittsburgh Steelers News, Analysis and More

Tomlin sucks at talking. This is literally headache worthy.

Wonder if Cincy ever ran out of plays like the Steelers…

 

[Night Shift]

Wonder if Cincy ever ran out of plays like the Steelers…

Remember how he "blew the Rooney's out of the room" over the other candidates in 07?

Really?

 

[The Old Master]

The national press will just say that he had a losing season because he had to deal with the inconsistencies of a rookie QB and that TJ Watt missed 6 games.



I couldn't remember exactly what it was, I just remember Todd saying he grew up around the Steelers and was at training camps when he was a kid. So thinking about it again, he does have a history with the team and thus I would now put him in that category.

yeah! todd grew up with the rooney kids and are still close.

 

[Night Shift]

yeah! todd grew up with the rooney kids and are still close.

**** it Make Todd head coach. He's not my choice for long-term solution but hes better than what we currently have.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Remember how he "blew the Rooney's out of the room" over the other candidates in 07?

Really?

He is a real life Jackie Chiles, so I’m not surprised they bought whatever he was selling.

 

[The Old Master]

**** it Make Todd head coach. He's not my choice for long-term solution but hes better than what we currently have.

not sure he has the personality for the job.

 

[Night Shift]

not sure he has the personality for the job.

Prove me wrong...Belicheck and Reid have no personality. Not saying he's as good as them either, hes definitely not a Clown like Tomlin

 

[bigdaddyk88]

This isn’t exactly news and I’ve been harping on it for the better pet of two seasons now - Canada has zero feel for the game and how to call plays.

I made this comparison before, but he’s like a 1200 chess player trying to outmaneuver grandmasters.

He just seems to have no clue.

So watching the 22 teams aren’t honoring KP on any of the keep reads. I hope they add some boots and KP uses his legs more.
It was nice to see some deep crossers back on the menu I think they will finally start having the Wr line up and all 3 spots so DJ and GP will see some slot targets to get away from Cb1 and double coverage.
I am interested with how effective the Cincinnati zone and bailing out of the blitz confusing KP jo. he will look against the colts who play a ton of zone

Prove me wrong...Belicheck and Reid have no personality. Not saying he's as good as them either, hes definitely not a Clown like Tomlin

Reid definitely has a personality.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Wonder if Cincy ever ran out of plays like the Steelers…

Burrow was on Colin’s podcast talking about KP and what his next steps need to be Burrow said there’s a lot he can grow on but it took him 3 years to learn about throwing Wr open and for it to really click on nfl to college open. He said the coverage is way to good in the nfl some times you have to throw to a spot and know(trust your Wr is going to be there.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Burrow was on Colin’s podcast talking about KP and what his next steps need to be Burrow said there’s a lot he can grow on but it took him 3 years to learn about throwing Wr open and for it to really click on nfl to college open. He said the coverage is way to good in the nfl some times you have to throw to a spot and know(trust your Wr is going to be there.

Ya there is about a step and half between college open and NFL open.

KP didn’t work with any of these receivers extensively in camp or preseason, which makes a big difference with timing.

He seems to be developing chemistry with Pickens and Muth, but doesn’t seem to trust Johnson yet.

So watching the 22 teams aren’t honoring KP on any of the keep reads. I hope they add some boots and KP uses his legs more.
It was nice to see some deep crossers back on the menu I think they will finally start having the Wr line up and all 3 spots so DJ and GP will see some slot targets to get away from Cb1 and double coverage.
I am interested with how effective the Cincinnati zone and bailing out of the blitz confusing KP jo. he will look against the colts who play a ton of zone


Reid definitely has a personality.

I think they ran a naked boot the other day, but nothing came of it if I recall.

If this offense can keep running decently, Canada really needs to mix in some conventional play action.

KP needs to learn to play with his back to the D at times, which I barely saw him doing his last year at Pitt when I watched all of his snaps.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Ya there is about a step and half between college open and NFL open.

KP didn’t work with any of these receivers extensively in camp or preseason, which makes a big difference with timing.

He seems to be developing chemistry with Pickens and Muth, but doesn’t seem to trust Johnson yet.



I think they ran a naked boot the other day, but nothing came of it if I recall.

If this offense can keep running decently, Canada really needs to mix in some conventional play action.

KP needs to learn to play with his back to the D at times, which I barely saw him doing his last year at Pitt when I watched all of his snaps.

We haven’t been a play action team in years. I know Ben hated playing with his back turned. KP does better on the run throwing then I thought he would in the nfl. KP did a ton of pistol play action in college but not under center.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

We haven’t been a play action team in years. I know Ben hated playing with his back turned. KP does better on the run throwing then I thought he would in the nfl. KP did a ton of pistol play action in college but not under center.

I know they haven’t been a PA team in years and I’ve bitched about Roth’s insistence on not doing it.

But he’s gone so no reason not to bring it back.

And ya I know KP worked mostly out of the SG in college, which is why I wrote they need to see if he can play well with his back to the D.

Would really help the O and his development if they found out ASAP.

 

[JTG]

I'm still not that worried about Pickett. Until we get a real coordinator in here, I can't hold anything against anyone on the offense. These guys are getting fed to the wolves right now.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I'm still not that worried about Pickett. Until we get a real coordinator in here, I can't hold anything against anyone on the offense. These guys are getting fed to the wolves right now.

He’s been getting better, fans are just fickle.

I also looked around the league the other day and there are maybe about 3-4 true elite franchise QBS, if we exclude Brady and Rodgers who won’t be around much longer.

Mahomes and Burrow - No doubt
Allen - Ya, but jury is out on being a money guy
Herbert - Same as Allen

Maybe Lawrence and a few other young guys get in this tier one day, but who knows.

Russel Wilson - Not sure what he is right now… old?
LJ - Struggles in the playoffs
Kyler Murray - he’s 25-29 as a starter

We’ll see how KP develops, but I think we are being unrealistic that he needs to be an elite franchise type guy.

Only a few teams even have a guy like that and Mahomes is the only one who is a proven SB winner.

 

[JTG]

He’s been getting better, fans are just fickle.

I also looked around the league the other day and there are maybe about 3-4 true elite franchise QBS, if we exclude Brady and Rodgers who won’t be around much longer.

Mahomes and Burrow - No doubt
Allen - Ya, but jury is out on being a money guy
Herbert - Same as Allen

Maybe Lawrence and a few other young guys get in this tier one day, but who knows.

Russel Wilson - Not sure what he is right now… old?
LJ - Struggles in the playoffs
Kyler Murray - he’s 25-29 as a starter

We’ll see how KP develops, but I think we are being unrealistic that he needs to be an elite franchise type guy.

Only a few teams even have a guy like that and Mahomes is the only one who is a proven SB winner.

Obviously a lot of Steelers talk occurs when the family is together for Thanksgiving, and we all kind of came to the conclusion that Kenny will get a good 3-4 years to figure things out, and if he can't do it, he will turn into a Charlie Batch type backup here.

I wasn't a huge Pickett fan at Pitt. I wasn't for drafting Pickett in the 1st round. I can't pin this on him. As I have said before, Pickett isn't Rodgers or Mahomes or Burrow. He's not going to be a guy who makes the guys around him necessarily look better. He's a guy who needs to be surrounded by talent, and if he is, he can work at a high level in that offense.

The Steelers should look to flip Johnson at the draft because he and Pickett are just not on the same page.

 

[Pens x]

Matt Canada is absolute trash, no doubt. But Kenny has been disappointing overall. The whole Pitt connection makes so many people overlook his poor play. Maybe he improves by the end of the season, but I don’t know how anyone feels great about him as our starter as of today. Now, you guys are basically saying you don’t need a good quarterback to win. We are lowering the bar for Kenny already.

They have to trade Johnson - there’s absolutely nothing there between he and Pickett.

 

[JTG]

Matt Canada is absolute trash, no doubt. But Kenny has been disappointing overall. The whole Pitt connection makes so many people overlook his poor play. Maybe he improves by the end of the season, but I don’t know how anyone feels great about him as our starter as of today. Now, you guys are basically saying you don’t need a good quarterback to win. We are lowering the bar for Kenny already.

They have to trade Johnson - there’s absolutely nothing there between he and Pickett.

I don't want what I said to be taken that way - that's not what I'm saying. There are QBs that are part of the machine and there are QBs that make the machine run. Kenny is a QB that isn't going to will a team to victory like Ben. We all knew that when he was drafted. He's not skilled in that way. Though I hate the comparison, he's very much like a Kirk Cousins in that way...good team around him, the team is awesome. Poor team around him, the team is average.

The things that are going wrong for Kenny right now are not upsetting me very much because I expect it to happen from a rookie QB. When they put him in the game, I mentally prepared for him to do things like he's doing. He just got dropped in the fire and he's figuring it out. We were spoiled.