OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[Buddy Bizarre]

Can you show me how many of those 500+ yards were actually against William?

Edit: PFF has some basic stats that could be worked with, but the yards per is locked. But based on targets/receptions, he wasn't the problem.

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Unsure if you've missed the previous correspondence and discussion. This goes to connections/cronyism/etc.
A current unsuccessful unit coach with a previous team that was less than mediocre in the past, likely gave his approval on a new member of the team. Said player was part of a unit that was bad.

So why are we relying on said coach's endorsement when he's sucked at his current AND previous role?
Do you want me to draw it out with crayons or water paint for you?

 

[Pens x]

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This franchise is a circus. The owners don’t deserve an NFL team. It’s inexcusable at this point.

 

[Shaftception]

I can understand the arguments for not taking Najee and even Freiermuth. This last draft though I am 100% on board with what they did. If a QB that you think can be a franchise guy falls into your lap, you take him.

And were there really a ton of first round quality linemen when the Steelers picked these past two years? I don’t believe there were without looking back and using hindsight.

Linderbaum was available in the 1st last year.
Humphrey was available in the 2nd the year before.
Some OT's/OL's were taken ~5 or so picks up or down both years.

Nothing egregious but some arguable alternatives.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

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This franchise is a circus. The owners don’t deserve an NFL team. It’s inexcusable at this point.

William Munny "Deserves got nuthin to do with it."

 

[JTG]

Who said they were great?

Your post alluded to the fact that they were good enough, or that they have been adequate enough, and they haven't been.

 

[Pens x]

William Munny "Deserves got nuthin to do with it."

We desperately need Art II to get sacked like Snyder. This organization needs a scandal to force it to clean house.

 

[Night Shift]

We desperately need Art II to get sacked like Snyder. This organization needs a scandal to force it to clean house.

Snyder did recently make threats on releasing dirt he had on owners but something tells me Rooney Tunes is Goody Two Shoes that he's not one of them.

 

[Pens x]

Snyder did recently make threats on releasing dirt he had on owners but something tells me Rooney Tunes is Goody Two Shoes that he's not one of them.

His burn list is our last chance at fixing this team.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Snyder did recently make threats on releasing dirt he had on owners but something tells me Rooney Tunes is Goody Two Shoes that he's not one of them.

Junior cares more about his reputation among his rich friends than to make the tough calls to fix the problems on this team?

That is hardly news.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

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[Mr Jiggyfly]

Looks like Snyder could be in some shit, but who ever knows since billionaires get to play by different rules:

The House committee said in its letter to the FTC that it had found evidence of deceptive business practices over the span of more than a decade, including withholding ticket revenue from visiting teams and refundable deposits from fans. The committee outlined, through the testimony of former employees and access to emails and documents, a pattern of financial impropriety by owner Dan Snyder and team executives. At one point in 2016, the team retained up to $5 million from 2,000 season-ticket holders while also concealing sharable revenue from the league, according to the committee.

One former employee testified before Congress, saying the team had two separate financial books: one with underreported ticket revenue that went to the NFL and the full, complete picture. According to testimony, Snyder was aware of the numbers shared with the league while also being privy to the actual data. The business practice was known as "juice" inside Washington's front office.

Sources: Feds investigate Commanders' finances

The U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of Virginia has opened a criminal investigation into allegations that the Washington Commanders engaged in financial improprieties, sources familiar with the matter confirmed to ESPN.

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[pistolpete11]

I can understand the arguments for not taking Najee and even Freiermuth. This last draft though I am 100% on board with what they did. If a QB that you think can be a franchise guy falls into your lap, you take him.

And were there really a ton of first round quality linemen when the Steelers picked these past two years? I don’t believe there were without looking back and using hindsight.

Yeah, just wholeheartedly disagree.

RB's are not worth 1sts unless they are the next coming of Barry Sanders. Harris was and is not that. I take no glee in saying that. He seems like a good dude. I take no glee in saying Muth was stupid too. As a PSU alum, I'd love to rub that in my Pitt friends' faces. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, but he's not a game changing TE. These were both luxury picks. They were slapping a coat of paint on a house with foundation issues.

If you think Pickett is a franchise guy...ok...I guess. I didn't and most of the talk was about how unspectacular this QB class was. Pickett would have been my pick (excuse the pun) out of the QB's, but I was saying to skip QB this year and start rebuilding the lines before the draft, before knowing that Pickett would even be there. Pickens I'm not mad about because I think he has actual game changing talent. I think he also gave them enough confidence to trade Claypool, so that worked out nicely.

 

[xlm34]

Yeah, just wholeheartedly disagree.

RB's are not worth 1sts unless they are the next coming of Barry Sanders. Harris was and is not that. I take no glee in saying that. He seems like a good dude. I take no glee in saying Muth was stupid too. As a PSU alum, I'd love to rub that in my Pitt friends' faces. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, but he's not a game changing TE. These were both luxury picks. They were slapping a coat of paint on a house with foundation issues.

If you think Pickett is a franchise guy...ok...I guess. I didn't and most of the talk was about how unspectacular this QB class was. Pickett would have been my pick (excuse the pun) out of the QB's, but I was saying to skip QB this year and start rebuilding the lines before the draft, before knowing that Pickett would even be there. Pickens I'm not mad about because I think he has actual game changing talent. I think he also gave them enough confidence to trade Claypool, so that worked out nicely.

The whole 2021 offseason was probably pretty short sighted by the franchise. I'm not even mad about some of the players we got, but I get questioning their approach. They were pretty clearly going for one more run with Ben when they probably should have just ripped off the band aid and started gearing up for the future. Even their free agent signings are still impacting them. They have like 20 million in cap space this year being taken up by Juju, Ben, Ingram, and Turner.

Time will tell whether Pickett was the right move. I'm still totally fine with the selection. There wasn't really anyone else available at the time that I thought it was a mistake to pass up. Linderbaum could be very good but he was an undersized center that struggled with more physical players in college so he's not without question marks. And I can make the case that centers are similar to running backs in the sense that they shouldn't be selected in the first if you have holes elsewhere. Devonta Wyatt was another popular name, but he just didn't move the needle much for me and it doesn't seem like he's doing anything for Green Bay.

I get that a lot of people said the class was unspectacular, but I don't really pay much attention to that. Everyone was saying to wait until this upcoming class because it's going to be incredible and that doesn't look to be the case right now. I think Pickett would be in the conversation for third best QB in this upcoming draft.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

The QB I was most intrigued about in this years class is Levis, and he hasn't had a great season. That doesn't mean he can't be a good pro QB, he just isn't progressing in his senior season. And he hasn't shown well against good teams. But he does have a dynamite arm. And his completion percentage has gone up every year he has played, currently at 68% this season.

I want nothing to do with Bryce Young, way to small to play the position in the pros. His bio says he is 6'0" but there are rumblings that he is actually 5'10". That just isn't going to work. Plus the Alabama thing.

I'm torn about Stroud. He certainly looks the part. And I like that he will have played two full seasons at the position. But man, when was the last time Ohio State produced a good pro QB. I just looked it up, it's Mike Tomsczak is the only pro QB from Ohio State that has even been mediocre. Oh well, won't matter, he will go 1st overall and the Steelers won't be that bad. Lions or Texans will have the pick.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The QB I was most intrigued about in this years class is Levis, and he hasn't had a great season. That doesn't mean he can't be a good pro QB, he just isn't progressing in his senior season. And he hasn't shown well against good teams. But he does have a dynamite arm. And his completion percentage has gone up every year he has played, currently at 68% this season.

I want nothing to do with Bryce Young, way to small to play the position in the pros. His bio says he is 6'0" but there are rumblings that he is actually 5'10". That just isn't going to work. Plus the Alabama thing.

I'm torn about Stroud. He certainly looks the part. And I like that he will have played two full seasons at the position. But man, when was the last time Ohio State produced a good pro QB. I just looked it up, it's Mike Tomsczak is the only pro QB from Ohio State that has even been mediocre. Oh well, won't matter, he will go 1st overall and the Steelers won't be that bad. Lions or Texans will have the pick.

This is why ppl need to not talk out of their asses about waiting until next year.

None of the guys coming out is so enticing to me that they give up on KP after a season.

Maybe Young I guess, but the Lions will likely finish ahead of the Steelers in the draft and take him anyway.

That leaves a bunch of huge question marks and Stroud who has the curse of the Ohio State QBs, doesn’t look special, and is mostly beating up on bad competition.

 

[xlm34]

The QB I was most intrigued about in this years class is Levis, and he hasn't had a great season. That doesn't mean he can't be a good pro QB, he just isn't progressing in his senior season. And he hasn't shown well against good teams. But he does have a dynamite arm. And his completion percentage has gone up every year he has played, currently at 68% this season.

I want nothing to do with Bryce Young, way to small to play the position in the pros. His bio says he is 6'0" but there are rumblings that he is actually 5'10". That just isn't going to work. Plus the Alabama thing.

I'm torn about Stroud. He certainly looks the part. And I like that he will have played two full seasons at the position. But man, when was the last time Ohio State produced a good pro QB. I just looked it up, it's Mike Tomsczak is the only pro QB from Ohio State that has even been mediocre. Oh well, won't matter, he will go 1st overall and the Steelers won't be that bad. Lions or Texans will have the pick.

Yeah if Young had Levis size, he’d be probably talked about as one of the best QB prospects in a while. We’ve seen smaller QBs have success but I can see people questioning his durability because of how small he is.

From what I’ve seen of Stroud, the book on him is he has everything you want in a QB until he has to improvise. He’s just not good at creating on his own which I think is a serious red flag.

I agree with people saying the whole wait until next year thing is dumb. I’m already hearing it again this year that next years class with the dude from UNC, Caleb Williams, and Ewers is the draft you want to wait for.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

If Anthony Richardson falls to the top of round two I would not at all mind taking him. He has every measurable but is as raw as a lump of coal.

He will take time to develop, a couple of years, and rolling the dice at that point would be a value pick.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Yeah if Young had Levis size, he’d be probably talked about as one of the best QB prospects in a while. We’ve seen smaller QBs have success but I can see people questioning his durability because of how small he is.

From what I’ve seen of Stroud, the book on him is he has everything you want in a QB until he has to improvise. He’s just not good at creating on his own which I think is a serious red flag.

I agree with people saying the whole wait until next year thing is dumb. I’m already hearing it again this year that next years class with the dude from UNC, Caleb Williams, and Ewers is the draft you want to wait for.

If Anthony Richardson falls to the top of round two I would not at all mind taking him. He has every measurable but is as raw as a lump of coal.

He will take time to develop, a couple of years, and rolling the dice at that point would be a value pick.

Stroud looks unbelievable at times but there’s just something about him that makes me feel like he’s not a can’t miss guy. Could see his career going in any direction.

Richardson is stupid talented, it’s funny because the best thing for him as a QB is playing out college- but tough to justify that though with risk of injury, earnings, etc. when he’s pretty much a guaranteed top 60 pick.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Sorry guys but if we are in a top 5 position, I think we pass on QB, or if there are a couple of guys projected around that we trade down and should stock up on both lines and secondary help.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I just flat out can't see the justification for taking a QB. Am I positive that Pickett will be it? No, but how is the situation going to be any different by just adding a new rookie QB? It will be the same shitty and flawed team with just a different QB, one who is a lot less pro ready than a second year Pickett would be.

The mistake that the Steelers made was drafting based on win-now help when they needed to be addressing the major holes on the roster. That's not just drafting a pro-ready Pickett last year, but it was also using a 1st rounder to draft Harris 2 years ago.

It's why trading out of a top-5 pick makes a ton more sense than drafting a new QB. Even if Pickett isn't legit, you're going to be build dramatically better for the future by swapping a top-5 pick for multiple 1sts and 2nds/3rds. If Pickett isn't legit, you can draft a QB in the future and have that new QB be actually surrounded with a quality team.

 

[TimmyD]

K

I just flat out can't see the justification for taking a QB. Am I positive that Pickett will be it? No, but how is the situation going to be any different by just adding a new rookie QB? It will be the same shitty and flawed team with just a different QB, one who is a lot less pro ready than a second year Pickett would be.

The mistake that the Steelers made was drafting based on win-now help when they needed to be addressing the major holes on the roster. That's not just drafting a pro-ready Pickett last year, but it was also using a 1st rounder to draft Harris 2 years ago.

It's why trading out of a top-5 pick makes a ton more sense than drafting a new QB. Even if Pickett isn't legit, you're going to be build dramatically better for the future by swapping a top-5 pick for multiple 1sts and 2nds/3rds. If Pickett isn't legit, you can draft a QB in the future and have that new QB be actually surrounded with a quality team.

I think the argument would be that a new guy being elite or a franchise guy could carry a bad team. However, I would agree, trade back and accrue multiple first rounders to go with the multiple second rounders and re-build the offensive line and then go get a QB the following year

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Stroud looks unbelievable at times but there’s just something about him that makes me feel like he’s not a can’t miss guy. Could see his career going in any direction.

Richardson is stupid talented, it’s funny because the best thing for him as a QB is playing out college- but tough to justify that though with risk of injury, earnings, etc. when he’s pretty much a guaranteed top 60 pick.

Which was my point. Best of both worlds. More time to be sure about Pickett. Super talented raw kid as insurance.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I just flat out can't see the justification for taking a QB. Am I positive that Pickett will be it? No, but how is the situation going to be any different by just adding a new rookie QB? It will be the same shitty and flawed team with just a different QB, one who is a lot less pro ready than a second year Pickett would be.

The mistake that the Steelers made was drafting based on win-now help when they needed to be addressing the major holes on the roster. That's not just drafting a pro-ready Pickett last year, but it was also using a 1st rounder to draft Harris 2 years ago.

It's why trading out of a top-5 pick makes a ton more sense than drafting a new QB. Even if Pickett isn't legit, you're going to be build dramatically better for the future by swapping a top-5 pick for multiple 1sts and 2nds/3rds. If Pickett isn't legit, you can draft a QB in the future and have that new QB be actually surrounded with a quality team.

If there was a franchise LT there, you grab him all day.

They are harder to find than franchise QBs.

In fact, Steelers have never had one in my lifetime.

Unfortunately there doesn’t look to be a franchise guy this year, which would have been huge for this org.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If there was a franchise LT there, you grab him all day.

They are harder to find than franchise QBs.

In fact, Steelers have never had one in my lifetime.

Unfortunately there doesn’t look to be a franchise guy this year, which would have been huge for this org.

I want them to trade down to around #10 and get the best OT in the draft. Skoronski, Fashanu and Johnson Jr are all projected to go around that level. If they just end up with a pick around #10 overall, that makes it easier. Just take the best LT.

I'm just hoping they don't sit on like #4 and draft Anderson based on a Watt-Anderson pass rush. That pass rush may be good enough to mask the other issues with the defense, but the defense is still horribly flawed.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

K

I think the argument would be that a new guy being elite or a franchise guy could carry a bad team. However, I would agree, trade back and accrue multiple first rounders to go with the multiple second rounders and re-build the offensive line and then go get a QB the following year

They should know if KP is legit by the end of next season.

If he shits the bed, they will have another high pick I’d imagine.

Hopefully they can finish with a really high pick for next years draft, then trade down and pick up another one for 2024.

Then they should be sitting well to go after another QB.

I want them to trade down to around #10 and get the best OT in the draft. Skoronski, Fashanu and Johnson Jr are all projected to go around that level. If they just end up with a pick around #10 overall, that makes it easier. Just take the best LT.

I'm just hoping they don't sit on like #4 and draft Anderson based on a Watt-Anderson pass rush. That pass rush may be good enough to mask the other issues with the defense, but the defense is still horribly flawed.

Ideal scenario they are top five and someone covets a QB. Then they can get great value and like you wrote, get a legit, but not franchise type LT.

I’d be stoked with that.

It will be interesting to see if the new mgmt team is willing to go Jimmy Johnson and keep accruing draft capital.