OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Scary that it took Smith 9 years and 4 teams to get here.

 

[Pens x]

Kenny just needs MOAR time. Yes, Kenny is a rookie, and yes, he’s played like ****. Both can be true.

Let’s hope he can have a passer rating above 66 against the Saints.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Kenny just needs MOAR time. Yes, Kenny is a rookie, and yes, he’s played like ****. Both can be true.

Let’s hope he can have a passer rating above 66 against the Saints.

Maybe he will need nine years like Geno Smith and bounce around the league.

Then when he’s finally good enough to take a team to the playoffs in 2031, Steelers will be breaking in Kent Graham’s grandson and you will be bitching about Michael Tomlin’s playcalling.

 

[Pens x]

Maybe he will need nine years like Geno Smith and bounce around the league.

Then when he’s finally good enough to take a team to the playoffs in 2031, Steelers will be breaking in Kent Graham’s grandson and you will be bitching about Michael Tomlin’s playcalling.

Tomlin will be a (crappy) defensive back coach at some crappy college by then.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Tomlin will be a (crappy) defensive back coach at some crappy college by then.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Right...because it is all Jackson's fault that they gave up 500 yards....

Did I say that?
I said he was part of a group w/ the same DC we have, that gave up a billion yards in a previous stop.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Are there people really spending mental energy tracking coaches who've worked together before and players who've played for coaches before? We gonna act like that's the same as drafting/signing guys' lesser brothers (which isn't as egregious to me as it seems to be for some but still it ain't the same).

 

[edog37]

I think WR is very much in play for one of the Steelers first picks

If only Marvin Harrison Jr. was a ‘23 prospect

using any of the picks on a skill position in the coming draft would confirm how broken this franchise really is. They have fundamental holes at line on both sides that is killing this team. That is what needs to be addressed if they want any hope of competing in the near future. You can always draft a running back & a wide receiver in later rounds. They are a dime a dozen. Great lineman aren't found in the later rounds as we have seen.

 

[edog37]

Heyward has earned the right to decide if he wants to be a Steeler lifer or not IMO. If they had a 1st offered, I'd take it to him and ask what he wanted. If he says he wants to stay a Steeler, I respect that and turn it down. If he wants to go win somewhere else, good luck to him.

That is absurd. Unless the player has a NMC/NTC in his contract, he has no say whatsoever in what the team does. Fans have this notion that the player is above the logo. There is absolutely no one on the current roster who is above the logo. And if another team was dumb enough to give us a first for Cam, I'd make that deal every day/all day.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

using any of the picks on a skill position in the coming draft would confirm how broken this franchise really is. They have fundamental holes at line on both sides that is killing this team. That is what needs to be addressed if they want any hope of competing in the near future. You can always draft a running back & a wide receiver in later rounds. They are a dime a dozen. Great lineman aren't found in the later rounds as we have seen.

The next couple of drafts absolutely have to focus on rebuilding the trenches, which is a staple of Weidl‘s philosophy.

We will know how much influence he has based on premium picks going/not going to OL/DL.

Tomlin needs to have less of a role in the draft, because he’s the main reason this team has shitty lines.

Tomlin also need much less influence in hiring coaches as he’s proven so inept at it.

They are on their 3rd or 4th Oline coach in as many years - and they are all teaching different techniques from what I’ve read.

It’s bananas that he has this much power and does shit this backwards while AR2 doesn’t notice and screams for a running game.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

MT no longer has anything to lose so now he’s free to call out Tomlin like he did today, saying the coaches need to start holding guys more accountable.

Another big indictment on the coaching from a player.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Are there people really spending mental energy tracking coaches who've worked together before and players who've played for coaches before? We gonna act like that's the same as drafting/signing guys' lesser brothers (which isn't as egregious to me as it seems to be for some but still it ain't the same).

When you have success, familiarity isn't necessarily a problem.

When there is dysfunction in the organization/leadership, it bears scrutiny.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

using any of the picks on a skill position in the coming draft would confirm how broken this franchise really is. They have fundamental holes at line on both sides that is killing this team. That is what needs to be addressed if they want any hope of competing in the near future. You can always draft a running back & a wide receiver in later rounds. They are a dime a dozen. Great lineman aren't found in the later rounds as we have seen.

I believe they haven't spent a Rd 1 or 2 pick on the Oline in 10 years.

Think about it: out of 5 of the 11 players on the field, you have not used a premium pick in that area.
That's full-on negligence. Tomlin thinks he's playing fantasy football and aligns with his philosophy of "beat the man across from you"

What this knucklehead doesn't understand is the Olinemen have to "beat the man across from you" too

 

[xlm34]

I believe they haven't spent a Rd 1 or 2 pick on the Oline in 10 years.

Think about it: out of 5 of the 11 players on the field, you have not used a premium pick in that area.
That's full-on negligence. Tomlin thinks he's playing fantasy football and aligns with his philosophy of "beat the man across from you"

What this knucklehead doesn't understand is the Olinemen have to "beat the man across from you" too

When it comes to the tackle position, I can understand not taking one in the first or second round. If a tackle is a good prospect, chances are they’re going in the top half of the draft. The Steelers just haven’t been in a position to take one. This year may end up being different though.

They also had two guys in Pouncey and DeCastro completely fall off a cliff because of injuries. It’s not crazy for linemen of their quality to continue playing well into their 30s. So did they really need to spend a first or second on the line 10 years ago when they had one of the best lines in the league?

 

[pistolpete11]

When it comes to the tackle position, I can understand not taking one in the first or second round. If a tackle is a good prospect, chances are they’re going in the top half of the draft. The Steelers just haven’t been in a position to take one. This year may end up being different though.

They also had two guys in Pouncey and DeCastro completely fall off a cliff because of injuries. It’s not crazy for linemen of their quality to continue playing well into their 30s. So did they really need to spend a first or second on the line 10 years ago when they had one of the best lines in the league?

Yeah, but they've had 2 drafts since then and they went with RB-TE and QB-WR.

The only O-line they drafted at all was a G that they tried to make into a C and a T in the 4th, which as you point out is usually not where you find very good T's.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

using any of the picks on a skill position in the coming draft would confirm how broken this franchise really is. They have fundamental holes at line on both sides that is killing this team. That is what needs to be addressed if they want any hope of competing in the near future. You can always draft a running back & a wide receiver in later rounds. They are a dime a dozen. Great lineman aren't found in the later rounds as we have seen.

I agree, just not on WR

IMO the premium positions in the NFL to use high picks on are QB, T, DL, EDGE, WR, CB and maybe IOL

Both lines should absolutely be the focus.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

When it comes to the tackle position, I can understand not taking one in the first or second round. If a tackle is a good prospect, chances are they’re going in the top half of the draft. The Steelers just haven’t been in a position to take one. This year may end up being different though.

They also had two guys in Pouncey and DeCastro completely fall off a cliff because of injuries. It’s not crazy for linemen of their quality to continue playing well into their 30s. So did they really need to spend a first or second on the line 10 years ago when they had one of the best lines in the league?

The issue is they had 3 of their 5 starters let go in 1 offseason. They had no transitional plan in place. They knew Pouncy and Decastro and Villy were on their last legs but tried to squeeze 1 more year out of them.

You can't have 3/5 of your line go. 2 out of 5 is manageable, but anything more than that is almost impossible. They are paying the price for their neglect now.

Yeah, but they've had 2 drafts since then and they went with RB-TE and QB-WR.

The only O-line they drafted at all was a G that they tried to make into a C and a T in the 4th, which as you point out is usually not where you find very good T's.

And said G/C (Green) is being scratched.
They suck at developing ALL positions outside of WR. Unsure if it's a coincidence that Tomlin was a WR at W&M....

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Steelers used a first rounder on a RB last season (which I was on board with), then brought in a couple of linemen with a history of being good run blockers in FA this off season.

Yet they still can’t run for shit.

They have their Oline unable to even lineup properly and constantly taking illegal man down field penalties.

Guess who all this points to?

Players have been calling out Tomlin in a subtle way all season and MT couldn’t give a left ball anymore so now your C is calling out Tomlin as strongly as anyone.

Sadly this isn’t anything new, but Band-Aid Ben kept Tomlin from being fully exposed.

He has to have his power stripped down… less involved in coaching choices and drafting, or this org will be in Tomlin Purgatory for another 20 years.

 

[xlm34]

Yeah, but they've had 2 drafts since then and they went with RB-TE and QB-WR.

The only O-line they drafted at all was a G that they tried to make into a C and a T in the 4th, which as you point out is usually not where you find very good T's.

I can understand the arguments for not taking Najee and even Freiermuth. This last draft though I am 100% on board with what they did. If a QB that you think can be a franchise guy falls into your lap, you take him.

And were there really a ton of first round quality linemen when the Steelers picked these past two years? I don’t believe there were without looking back and using hindsight.

I agree, just not on WR

IMO the premium positions in the NFL to use high picks on are QB, T, DL, EDGE, WR, CB and maybe IOL

Both lines should absolutely be the focus.

I would also make CB the focus. I get the narrative that the Steelers suck at developing cornerbacks but they’ve only taken two in the first two rounds under Tomlin and one never saw the field because of injuries. So they’ve basically sucked at developing late round picks which isn’t that crazy.

Its similar to OT prospects. A good CB is going to get snatched up in the top half of the first so the Steelers really haven’t had a shot at any of them.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I agree, just not on WR

IMO the premium positions in the NFL to use high picks on are QB, T, DL, EDGE, WR, CB and maybe IOL

Both lines should absolutely be the focus.

You're funny if you think the Steelers' pick won't be Joey Porter's son. I mean Tomlin and Porter are BFFs. I'm calling it right now that they'll move up to get him.

You might as well order that jersey now

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You're funny if you think the Steelers' pick won't be Joey Porter's son. I mean Tomlin and Porter are BFFs. I'm calling it right now that they'll move up to get him.

You might as well order that jersey now

So they trading back into the 1st? I penciled the 2nd we got from Chicago for the Michigan C. If olu comes out he is our 1st round LT redshirt sophomore whose 19 at Penn state.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Sounds like theyre keeping canada til the end of year.

 

[Khelandros]

Did I say that?
I said he was part of a group w/ the same DC we have, that gave up a billion yards in a previous stop.

Can you show me how many of those 500+ yards were actually against William?

Edit: PFF has some basic stats that could be worked with, but the yards per is locked. But based on targets/receptions, he wasn't the problem.

William Jackson III | Pittsburgh Steelers CB | NFL and PFF stats | PFF

NFL and PFF player stats for Pittsburgh Steelers CB William Jackson III on Pro Football Focus.

www.pff.com

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

When you have success, familiarity isn't necessarily a problem.

When there is dysfunction in the organization/leadership, it bears scrutiny.

So it's ok if it works is what you're saying?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

The PSU OT and the UGA CB are my current hopes