OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[xlm34]

And here’s why Austin wasn’t activated.

 

[Night Shift]

Gerry Dulac keeps insisting that the Steelers dont fire coordinators mid way through the season and won’t fire Canada until the end of the season…fine, then if he’s not fired, he can be stripped of his playcalling duties and turn them over to Mike Sullivan…

Or hire outside the organization? Oh the horror in that.

Byron Leftwhich might be available if Tampa can't get it together tomorrow night, it's rumored his job may be on the line tomorrow. I could see Tomlin interested given the history of Leftwhich being here. I advise against it because he is as bad as Canada. So probably better to go with Mike Sullivan.

This team should look outside but not Leftwhich.

 

[JTG]

AB was applauded for his work ethic, especially early on, too. Working hard doesn't mean you're not going to be a diva.

He said in an interview that he's open 100% of the time and has thrown some mini temper tantrums when he didn't get the ball. The second play in the below video is the only one I could find on YouTube.

I'm not saying to run him out of town over it as either incident on its own is rather minor, but he does come in with the reputation and we're only 7 games into his NFL career. I don't know. To me, it's easy to hand waive away now, but if he becomes a problem, these are the type of things that people will start digging up.

Hope I'm wrong, but nobody should be surprised if it happens.

He has done nothing but prove he is always open.

 

[UnrealMachine]

Yeah it’s pretty obvious what he means…that a guy who has had off the field maturity issues in the past (I mean it’s literally the reason he wasn’t a 1st round pick) has a pretty high chance of having those same issues at some point in his NFL career. It’s pretty easy to understand what he meant

You really think his draft position had to do with his attitude… and not a torn ACL that required reconstructive knee surgery and relegated him to 5 receptions in his Junior/final season?!? It’s amazing what kind of mental gymnastics some people will do when they form their (biased) opinion on certain *types* of athletes.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

You really think his draft position had to do with his attitude… and not a torn ACL that required reconstructive knee surgery and relegated him to 5 receptions in his Junior/final season?!? It’s amazing what kind of mental gymnastics some people will do when they form their (biased) opinion on certain *types* of athletes.

There was a flood of scouts/coaches who had concerns about his red flags.

Just a few comments about him of many with worries about his attitude:

Scout: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.

WR Coach: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.

WR Coach: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.

He had an abundance of red flags coming out, it’s pretty much common knowledge for anyone who followed the draft.

 

[UnrealMachine]

There was a flood of scouts/coaches who had concerns about his red flags.

Just a few comments about him of many with worries about his attitude:



He had an abundance of red flags coming out, it’s pretty much common knowledge for anyone who followed the draft.

I don’t deny that he is a passionate athlete. But having perceived attitude issues don’t drop athletes with his physical skillsets down in the draft that significantly. Major injuries and criminal activities do that. It’s not uncommon for someone who is coming off of reconstructive knee surgery drop a round or two in the draft.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I don’t deny that he is a passionate athlete. But having perceived attitude issues don’t drop athletes with his physical skillsets down in the draft that significantly. Major injuries and criminal activities do that. It’s not uncommon for someone who is coming off of reconstructive knee surgery drop a round or two in the draft.

Injuries and a lot of red flags will drop you down.

You have to have a lot of confidence in yourself to play the position and from what I recall reading, it was a situation where he appeared cocky/arrogant and that has rubbed coaches/scouts the wrong way.

He also had two suspensions in college for being a hot head, which never looks good on your profile.

As I said, as long as he isn't doing anything harmful for the team, whatever. IE not go full AB, Ocho, Owens, OBJ.

If he's full of himself, it's a small matter.

Ward came off as arrogant and annoying as hell IMHO, but he was a great team player, so a guy can be both things.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

I'm at the point now where I can't blame Tomlin or Canada, it starts at the top with Art Rooney II and the absolute unwillingness to make organizational changes unless forced.

And then make inside hires.

 

[Night Shift]

I'm at the point now where I can't blame Tomlin or Canada, it starts at the top with Art Rooney II and the absolute unwillingness to make organizational changes unless forced.

And then make inside hires.

This is the wrong Rooney but you get the idea.

 

[TimmyD]

You really think his draft position had to do with his attitude… and not a torn ACL that required reconstructive knee surgery and relegated him to 5 receptions in his Junior/final season?!? It’s amazing what kind of mental gymnastics some people will do when they form their (biased) opinion on certain *types* of athletes.

No one is doing mental gymnastics. You want to say that people saying Pickens could have an attitude problem is based around one thing even though you have zero evidence to back that up. I mean the guy literally said “I’m open 90% of the time.” It was reported that the guy had maturity issues in college (and yes I believe that can affect a players draft stock, it almost took Manzel out of the first round) and one of the very first things he says in the pros is “I’m open 90% of the time” because he feels he isn’t getting the ball enough. So yeah it’s not unreasonable to think he’s a little immature and it could lead to him being a problem…because the Steelers don’t have a record of immature diva receivers or anything like that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This makes me think you can get a 2nd rounder for Claypool

 

[PensandCaps]

Kadarius Toney got a conditional 3rd and a 6th.

You'd have to imagine Claypool gets a similar but better return.

 

[TimmyD]

Claypool isn’t getting traded. The Steelers don’t want to trade him and I still don’t believe a team offers a second rounder for him.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Silver lining.....Canada continues to suck and the Steelers get a high pick?

And I don't think they would need to install a new offense. Having a guy who understands the cadence of play calling can make a big difference. That being said, I don't think anyone is going to transform this offense into even a decent offense, the O-line just isn't good enough.

You guys still don't get it.

It doesn't matter if Don Coryell or Mike Martz is the OC. Mike Tomlin signs off and wants his offense run a certain way. It was this way before Canada and Fitchner and Haley and will remain so until:

a) Tomlin is goes away/fired
b) Art tells him to change it

Whatever big name OC is out there, it DOESN"T MATTER. This is Tomlin's offense and philosophy: keep it 3rd and manageable, don't turn the ball over, low risk plays and the defense will bail us out

 

[Andy99]

Guys, the offense is really really close…gonna be an explosion of offense any minute now…lol

Embattled Matt Canada touts his belief in a Steelers offense that's 'really close' to a breakout

At some point in the fourth quarter Sunday night against Miami, Mike Tomlin gathered his entire offense around him and delivered a message. The Steelers...

www.post-gazette.com

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

You guys still don't get it.

It doesn't matter if Don Coryell or Mike Martz is the OC. Mike Tomlin signs off and wants his offense run a certain way. It was this way before Canada and Fitchner and Haley and will remain so until:

a) Tomlin is goes away/fired
b) Art tells him to change it

Whatever big name OC is out there, it DOESN"T MATTER. This is Tomlin's offense and philosophy: keep it 3rd and manageable, don't turn the ball over, low risk plays and the defense will bail us out

Best fix would be for Art to sell the team.

 

[UnrealMachine]

No one is doing mental gymnastics. You want to say that people saying Pickens could have an attitude problem is based around one thing even though you have zero evidence to back that up. I mean the guy literally said “I’m open 90% of the time.” It was reported that the guy had maturity issues in college (and yes I believe that can affect a players draft stock, it almost took Manzel out of the first round) and one of the very first things he says in the pros is “I’m open 90% of the time” because he feels he isn’t getting the ball enough. So yeah it’s not unreasonable to think he’s a little immature and it could lead to him being a problem…because the Steelers don’t have a record of immature diva receivers or anything like that.

You sure were when you attributed 100% of Pickens’ draft slide to his attitude instead of his reconstructed knee. Somehow, you are just so certain of that. Perhaps you don’t believe he ever even had a surgically reconstructed knee since you still haven’t addressed it?

Have you ever considered that Pickens doesn’t need as much separation between himself and opponents to make catches? He attacks the ball and makes contested catches. Based on the last few game maybe he was right to point out early on that they should be trying to get him the ball more often.

People here are PTSD freaking snowflakes since Antonio Brown. First they used the AB 3D glasses to misconstrue or exaggerate every dang word/action of Juju to fit a certain narrative. Now Juju is gone and Pickens is supposedly the next diva up? Maybe Big Ben can be the (fill in the blank) knight here and take Pickens on a helmet-optional motorcycle ride to a women’s restroom in the Southside and show him what a good attitude looks like in Pittsburgh?

 

[TimmyD]

You sure were when you attributed 100% of Pickens’ draft slide to his attitude instead of his reconstructed knee. Somehow, you are just so certain of that. Perhaps you don’t believe he ever even had a surgically reconstructed knee since you still haven’t addressed it?

Have you ever considered that Pickens doesn’t need as much separation between himself and opponents to make catches? He attacks the ball and makes contested catches. Based on the last few game maybe he was right to point out early on that they should be trying to get him the ball more often.

People here are PTSD freaking snowflakes since Antonio Brown. First they used the AB 3D glasses to misconstrue or exaggerate every dang word/action of Juju to fit a certain narrative. Now Juju is gone and Pickens is supposedly the next diva up? Maybe Big Ben can be the (fill in the blank) knight here and take Pickens on a helmet-optional motorcycle ride to a women’s restroom in the Southside and show him what a good attitude looks like in Pittsburgh?

I believe his injury and his attitude attributed to him sliding in the draft. Ben was also an immature douchebag so I wouldn’t say he’s a beaming example of a good attitude either. That would be like me saying Pickens should act like Mayfield or Manzel…those guys are immature idiots too. Yes we are the snowflakes even though you get offended by people criticizing professional athletes. Do I know for 100% certainty that Pickens will turn into a diva? Of course not… but when one of the first things out of a guys mouth is “I’m open 90% of the time” it’s going to raise a red flag to me. Regardless of certain factors. Also, I’m not even a Steeler fan so I have zero PTSD about past diva receivers

 

[UnrealMachine]

I believe his injury and his attitude attributed to him sliding in the draft. Ben was also an immature douchebag so I wouldn’t say he’s a beaming example of a good attitude either. That would be like me saying Pickens should act like Mayfield or Manzel…those guys are immature idiots too. Yes we are the snowflakes even though you get offended by people criticizing professional athletes. Do I know for 100% certainty that Pickens will turn into a diva? Of course not… but when one of the first things out of a guys mouth is “I’m open 90% of the time” it’s going to raise a red flag to me. Regardless of certain factors. Also, I’m not even a Steeler fan so I have zero PTSD about past diva receivers

Thank you for taking the time to lookout for us Steeler fans before we fall for the wrong guy, again.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Best fix would be for Art to sell the team.

Um Ben threw for the 5,000 yards under Haley and def

I believe his injury and his attitude attributed to him sliding in the draft. Ben was also an immature douchebag so I wouldn’t say he’s a beaming example of a good attitude either. That would be like me saying Pickens should act like Mayfield or Manzel…those guys are immature idiots too. Yes we are the snowflakes even though you get offended by people criticizing professional athletes. Do I know for 100% certainty that Pickens will turn into a diva? Of course not… but when one of the first things out of a guys mouth is “I’m open 90% of the time” it’s going to raise a red flag to me. Regardless of certain factors. Also, I’m not even a Steeler fan so I have zero PTSD about past diva receivers

find me a Wr who doesn’t think they are open 90 percent of the time.

 

[TimmyD]

Um Ben threw for the 5,000 yards under Haley and def

find me a Wr who doesn’t think they are open 90 percent of the time.

Larry Fitzgerald, Cooper Kupp, Julio Jones, Chris Godwin, Allen Robinson, Tee Higgins… I’ve never heard any of these guys say anything remotely close to that.

 

[Night Shift]

Thank you for taking the time to lookout for us Steeler fans before we fall for the wrong guy, again.

Maybe it should mean something that both Steeler and non Steeler fans are telling you the same thing.

 

[UnrealMachine]

Maybe it should mean something that both Steeler and non Steeler fans are telling you the same thing.

Maybe it should, but I imagine if you extend the focus group beyond this message board you’ll see that most Steeler fans love Pickens. Not sure that I care what the consensus of him is among non-Steeler fans? Maybe I should, but I don’t.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Brady now the most sacked QB of all time.

He won’t let Steelers have anything, this f***ing guy.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Um Ben threw for the 5,000 yards under Haley and def

find me a Wr who doesn’t think they are open 90 percent of the time.

A future HoF QB threw for lots of yards? What does that have to do with the President being afraid to make any changes and hiring based solely on "equality"?