The Out of Town Thread part LXIX - All Talk From Around the League Here ‎

[hockeyfan2k11]

Unless......Halak ends up the better goalie. You keep Halak, you trade Price and you ends up with Eller and MORE.

Bingo. Yea..Eller is good....but Gauthier flubbed that deal IMO. He could have handled it better and gotten more.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Bingo. Yea..Eller is good....but Gauthier flubbed that deal IMO. He could have handled it better and gotten more.

example please ?
(ideally, from the 21ST century)

 

[Monctonscout]

Bingo. Yea..Eller is good....but Gauthier flubbed that deal IMO. He could have handled it better and gotten more.

That's a BS statement. Unless you were an NHL GM at the time, you're talking out your ass.

As much as Halak had a great run that year, I'm sure most hockey people knew he wasn't the next Brodeur or Roy. How many goalies have been traded for more than what we got for Halak the last 20-25 years? I'm sure it's a pretty short list.

 

[Bryson]

Unless......Halak ends up the better goalie. You keep Halak, you trade Price and you ends up with Eller and MORE.

yep...Halak has always been the better goalie plus has a cap hit of $3.75m vs $6.5m.

 

[Bryson]

That's a BS statement. Unless you were an NHL GM at the time, you're talking out your ass.

As much as Halak had a great run that year, I'm sure most hockey people knew he wasn't the next Brodeur or Roy. How many goalies have been traded for more than what we got for Halak the last 20-25 years? I'm sure it's a pretty short list.

I think the point is that Price had the higher trade value. Trading for Eller was a good move. But did we trade the right goalie? That remains to be seen.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

yep...Halak has always been the better goalie plus has a cap hit of $3.75m vs $6.5m.

For thirty games a season, maybe. Halak still isn't a number one.

Now go cheer for the Blues.

 

[Monctonscout]

I think the point is that Price had the higher trade value. Trading for Eller was a good move. But did we trade the right goalie? That remains to be seen.

Price has had his ups and downs in his career, but I still think he will have a better career than Halak. Halak is a solid goalie but not a guy that will play 60-65 games a year for a cup contender, he can't carry that type of load.

 

[Agnostic]

For thirty games a season, maybe. Halak still isn't a number one.

Now go cheer for the Blues.

First star again last night . Locked things down in the third . 3-0 on the season.

A healthy Halak will be in Vezina discussions this year.

I mean the year end Vezina. Not the 20 game mark Vezina that the fanboys award to Price every year.

 

[Bryson]

For thirty games a season, maybe. Halak still isn't a number one.

Now go cheer for the Blues.

thirty games? Halak played 45 games as a back up to Price and 57 with the blues the following year... but I see your point. It's the one and only apprehension I had in the Halak trade. Small reactionary goalies tend to wear out more vs bigger positional goalies but I would rather have 50+ games of a great goalie than 65+ of an average one.

Just for comparisons sake here are Halak's three best years sv% wise vs Price:

.934 - .923
.926 - .920
.924 - .916

 

[AH]

First star again last night . Locked things down in the third . 3-0 on the season.

A healthy Halak will be in Vezina discussions this year.

I mean the year end Vezina. Not the 20 game mark Vezina that the fanboys award to Price every year.

45 game goalies dont get Vezina consideration, no matter what their stats say.

They are good fantasy picks though

 

[Agnostic]

45 game goalies dont get Vezina consideration, no matter what their stats say.

They are good fantasy picks though

I said "a healthy Halak" not "an injured Halak"

 

[DenverHabsFan]

I see. Every thread is a Price thread this morning. Despite the fact he kept us in the game. This is going to be a long season.

 

[Wats]

yep...Halak has always been the better goalie plus has a cap hit of $3.75m vs $6.5m.

First star again last night . Locked things down in the third . 3-0 on the season.

A healthy Halak will be in Vezina discussions this year.

I mean the year end Vezina. Not the 20 game mark Vezina that the fanboys award to Price every year.

Wonder how long until Elliott/Allen steal the starting role after putting up identical numbers locking things down in the thir - I mean I bet the Blues are really working hard to get Halak re-signed and not let him hit the open market.

Or maybe they will sign Halak. In that case I can't wait to see all the teams lining up to sign that amazing Brian Elliott and his 3rd period lock down ability.

There's a reason Vezinas go to full time starters. It's a long season - a lot easier to have good numbers playing 40% - 60% of 82 games vs playing 80-90%. Whether you want to admit it or not, endurance/longevity is a key trait for goalies.

 

[Devourers]

I said "a healthy Halak" not "an injured Halak"

Last I checked, Halak doesn't play more than that even when "a healthy Halak".

 

[Bryson]

45 game goalies dont get Vezina consideration, no matter what their stats say.

They are good fantasy picks though

Tim Thomas and his 43 games played says hi.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

I said "a healthy Halak" not "an injured Halak"

A consistent Price will also be considered for Vezina.

A consistent Price is just as good as a uninjured consistent Halak.

Let's wait until it happened for both cases.

 

[Wats]

Tim Thomas and his 43 games played says hi.

Did he stop by to remind us he had his job stolen that year by Rask with his league leading 1.97 GAA + .931sv% in 45 games and neither got Vezina consideration?

 

[Bryson]

Did he stop by to remind us he had his job stolen that year by Rask with his league leading 1.97 GAA + .931sv% in 45 games and did not get Vezina consideration?

I will make sure to bring that to his attention next time he stops by for crumpets and tea.

 

[overlords]

I will make sure to bring that to his attention next time he stops by for crumpets and tea.

A tea party, you mean?

 

[Bryson]

A tea party, you mean?

Touché

 

[Kenny Powders]

I said "a healthy Halak" not "an injured Halak"

What is this I don't even...

 

[Whitesnake]

That's a BS statement. Unless you were an NHL GM at the time, you're talking out your ass.

As much as Halak had a great run that year, I'm sure most hockey people knew he wasn't the next Brodeur or Roy. How many goalies have been traded for more than what we got for Halak the last 20-25 years? I'm sure it's a pretty short list.

Well everything is all about hindsight here. From the "praise to Gauthier" to we could have gotten more for Price. There was some potential for Eller to be a top 6 but that was not a gimme. I guess same applies to Halak who had the potential to also become a #1. But yet, a little more proven based on his seasons but mostly playoffs.

I don't believe we could have gotten more for Halak....but we could have gotten more for Price. Was then the idea of who to keep and who to ship out. The idea is not who everybody had in mind we shoudl have kept. 'Cause the answer was Price. The idea was more about if somebody in this organization, let say Timmins, woudl have had Halak in such regard that he or somebody else would have make Price expendable. Let's say also that the "feeling" was that Price would not thrive in a market like Montreal...so maybe it becomes another reason why, at the time, you ship out another guy. And if in the end the return for Price would have been insane, well then you might have another reason even if Halak never ends up as good. You have a choice between a possible GREAT goalie with a good return....Or a possible GOOD goalie with a GREAT return...what do you go for?

Anyway, my point for praising Gauthier that much is mostly based on hindsight. Good job for him though 'cause hindsight or not, he did the trade. But we will never know "WHat if...".

 

[Monctonscout]

Galchenyuk vs Grigorenko?

Mikhail Grigorenko could be a healthy scratch Thursday night.
Johan Larsson practiced in his spot between wingers Zemgus Girgensons and Brian Flynn. Grigorenko filled in for Cody Hodgson on Buffalo's top line during the session, but Hodgson is expected to play after getting a maintenance day. Grigorenko's ice time has decreased each game this season and he played just 8:07 during Tuesday's overtime loss to Tampa Bay. He has no points and five shots in four contests.

 

[Wats]

Galchenyuk vs Grigorenko?

Mikhail Grigorenko could be a healthy scratch Thursday night.
Johan Larsson practiced in his spot between wingers Zemgus Girgensons and Brian Flynn. Grigorenko filled in for Cody Hodgson on Buffalo's top line during the session, but Hodgson is expected to play after getting a maintenance day. Grigorenko's ice time has decreased each game this season and he played just 8:07 during Tuesday's overtime loss to Tampa Bay. He has no points and five shots in four contests.

I think that Girgensons kid will ultimately be the impact player of the two. He's a tank.

 

[sheed36]

I see. Every thread is a Price thread this morning. Despite the fact he kept us in the game. This is going to be a long season.

The mods should just sticky a "All Price whining and complaining posts go here" thread for the Price haters who constantly ***** and moan about Price after losses. It's the same crowd all the time. It's time someone gave them a home.