The only roster players we'd actually trade

[BruinDust]

The two elite goalie system is great for the regular season if you are looking for president trophies that’s the way

So explain why it wouldn't work in the playoffs? What is the difference? Should the fatigue factor be completely ignored come playoff time?

 

[Ladyfan]

So explain why it wouldn't work in the playoffs? What is the difference? Should the fatigue factor be completely ignored come playoff time?

I would love to see the Bs rotate the goalies in the playoffs.

I don't care if it isn't usually done.

It works all season and both net minders are excellent. DO IT!

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

So explain why it wouldn't work in the playoffs? What is the difference? Should the fatigue factor be completely ignored come playoff time?

Because its a massive ask for a guy to drop into a playoff series and match the intensity level needed and to expect him to keep that level of intensity and focus up when sitting.

It works in the regular season because of all the average to below average teams you face.

It's the same reason why Tampa's "starter by committee" experiment crashed and burned

 

[BruinDust]

I would love to see the Bs rotate the goalies in the playoffs.

I don't care if it isn't usually done.

It works all season and both net minders are excellent. DO IT!

People seem to ignore how physically taxing it is now for NHL goaltenders. It's not like it was 15-20 years ago. Guys need more rest now to maintain top performance. It's such a big advantage having two guys like Swayman and Ullmark. We should enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[BruinDust]

Because its a massive ask for a guy to drop into a playoff series and match the intensity level needed and to expect him to keep that level of intensity and focus up when sitting.

It works in the regular season because of all the average to below average teams you face.

It's the same reason why Tampa's "starter by committee" experiment crashed and burned

Isn't this "massive ask" exactly what Adin Hill did in last year's playoffs? Dropped into a playoff series. Middle of a game too.

The Tampa thing. I have no idea what your talking about. "Starter by Committee Experiment"? No clue.

 

[UncleRico]

It’s wild to me that there are some who are still advocating for trading Ullmark.

It’s wild to me that some people see the holes in this roster and think bruins wouldn’t be better suited in the playoffs by having an every day player

 

[goldnblack]

The goalie rotation thing in the playoffs works as long as you're winning. Everyone is real happy then. But here's the thing

1) Your game 1 guy is your game 7 guy on a rotation. So in a way you're picking your best goalie to be the game 1 guy as is.

2) Swayman wins game one 3-1. Linus loses game two 5-1. Swayman wins game three 2-1. Linus loses game four 4-2.

You really gonna rotate now (and play Linus game 6)? It's very easy to rotate when you WIN. It's real hard if you get punched in the mouth.

So sure, rotate them in wins. But eventually you may not be able to.

 

[quietbruinfan]

How much better do you think he can be? I see a career 4th liner that can play up to the 3rd line in a pinch.

That is about what I see, but if he is consistently good at his job, that is useful.

 

[Absurdity]

If he's moved at all, the right time to move Ullmark is in the offseason. I don't think the Bruins get anyone better than DeBrusk if he's moved. It would hurt to deal Poitras, but it would have to be for a player that has not been mentioned to make it worth while.

Everyone else can get moved to help the team.

 

[TCB]

I voted everyone but Ullmark. Everybody else (in the right deal) could be dealt and see improvement on the ice.

Losing Ullmark would compromise the chemistry in goal.

 

[BruinDust]

So sure, rotate them in wins. But eventually you may not be able to.

If you have to run one of them back-2-back because of the outcome of the previous game it's not the end of the world. You can adjust from a strict game-for-game rotation.

If say Swayman pitched a shutout in Game 1, I'd be inclined to go back to him in Game 2. I've always preferred to give guys who get shutouts the very next game. Especially in a playoff series maybe my shutout guy is in the opponent's heads a bit.

I think the point is to avoid this old school thought process of going into the playoffs intending to run with just one guy now and the other guy will be parked on the bench for the duration essentially. If they trust both guys, plan to use both guys.

 

[NDiesel]

If you have to run one of them back-2-back because of the outcome of the previous game it's not the end of the world. You can adjust from a strict game-for-game rotation.

If say Swayman pitched a shutout in Game 1, I'd be inclined to go back to him in Game 2. I've always preferred to give guys who get shutouts the very next game. Especially in a playoff series maybe my shutout guy is in the opponent's heads a bit.

I think the point is to avoid this old school thought process of going into the playoffs intending to run with just one guy now and the other guy will be parked on the bench for the duration essentially. If they trust both guys, plan to use both guys.

Yeah I dont fully understand the pushback with rotating the two. No one is saying you have to rotate both game for game no matter what, but boy what an advantage it would be if you get to the cup finals and both of your goalies have played half the amount of games as the opponents. The playoffs are a grind, and goalie might be the biggest grind of all the positions in the postseason both mentally and physically. Let the other teams wear their goalies out.

 

[BruinDust]

Yeah I dont fully understand the pushback with rotating the two. No one is saying you have to rotate both game for game no matter what, but boy what an advantage it would be if you get to the cup finals and both of your goalies have played half the amount of games as the opponents. The playoffs are a grind, and goalie might be the biggest grind of all the positions in the postseason both mentally and physically. Let the other teams wear their goalies out.

What I find amazing is that there is actual proof where being able to trust both guys has been an advantage for previous cup winners. Conversely, there is proof that trying to ride one guy into the ground usually ends badly.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

What I find amazing is that there is actual proof where being able to trust both guys has been an advantage for previous cup winners. Conversely, there is proof that trying to ride one guy into the ground usually ends badly.

There seems to be the idea that you have to alternate every game when we have specific proof last year that it would have been better to use both but not purely alternate. Play Swayman in game 5 instead of waiting until 7 and the outcome very well could have been different, especially with what we found out later.

 

[BruinDust]

There seems to be the idea that you have to alternate every game when we have specific proof last year that it would have been better to use both but not purely alternate. Play Swayman in game 5 instead of waiting until 7 and the outcome very well could have been different, especially with what we found out later.

Even though Ullmark won Games 3 and 4, I thought there was an argument to go to Swayman in Game 3 after the Game 2 loss.

 

[NDiesel]

Even though Ullmark won Games 3 and 4, I thought there was an argument to go to Swayman in Game 3 after the Game 2 loss.

Personally that's exactly how I'd like them to alternate...if you lose a game go to the other guy and give the guy who lost a bit of a mental reset. Keeps them fresh and also gives them that extra competitive edge that if you keep winning you'll play more games.

 

[BruinDust]

Personally that's exactly how I'd like them to alternate...if you lose a game go to the other guy and give the guy who lost a bit of a mental reset. Keeps them fresh and also gives them that extra competitive edge that if you keep winning you'll play more games.

Exactly. Doesn't have to be a firm 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 rotation. Could end up 2-2-2-1, or 2-2-1-1-1. Or 1-2-2-2. Just plan on using both guys and make sure they are ready.

 

[Number8]

JVR will be one of the softest player in the playoffs. Guaranteed

There‘s soft and there’s soft. JVR isn’t soft in my book.

IMO it takes balls of steel to make your living within 5 feet of crease. Good place to eat hacks, crosschecks, post save scrums, goalie slashes, errant slapshots, and all manor abuse.

I tried it when younger. Enjoyed the scrums, but outside of that? Not very pleasant to be honest. And pucks were a lot slower and d-men a lot less nasty.

Or by sitting directly adjacent to the Bruins bench.

Calling @Ladyfan ………….

 

[RoccoF14]

I wouldn't feel good about Gryz for a pick.

That would put Lindholm, Forbort, Woterspoon and Lohrei on the left side. Considering Forbort just came back from injury and got hurt again, I'd say the left side would be pretty weak.

Exactly. You move Grizz only if you have another move lined up to shore up the left side.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

At the TDL last season the best team in the league, with the best record ever, added 3 excellent pieces. They didn't make it out of the first round. This team isn't as good. They could go to the playoffs without making a move and with a little luck (of which they had none last year) could make a run. But either way, with the division they are in, its going to be a tough road. Like you said, they don't have picks or prospects. Deadline trades usually consist of those assets rather than players for players. I say keep the assests we have, look to deal in the off season when they have more Cap space.

Yeah this pretty much remains my position too. Would be happy to see Sweeney make a couple of small adds, otherwise sit tight and see what happens. In an ideal world I'd love to see a top 6 C added, but I think the Bruins have given up quite enough 1st round picks for now and the cost would otherwise be too great and probably end up being counterproductive. Inevitably the Flames or whoever else are going to be offered more by other teams for a guy like Elias Lindholm than Boston can.

There's no rush for the Bs. Much as every year is an opportunity that shouldn't be ignored, they know they can look down the road with confidence that they've got a number of key pieces of a contending roster ticked off and secure for a few years to come, and the best time to try and more fully complete that picture is in the offseason and not before.

 

[Ladyfan]

There‘s soft and there’s soft. JVR isn’t soft in my book.

IMO it takes balls of steel to make your living within 5 feet of crease. Good place to eat hacks, crosschecks, post save scrums, goalie slashes, errant slapshots, and all manor abuse.

I tried it when younger. Enjoyed the scrums, but outside of that? Not very pleasant to be honest. And pucks were a lot slower and d-men a lot less nasty.


Calling @Ladyfan ………….

I would hate to trade either net minder. I get that the time will come but IMO it isn't now.

I only see the bench and ice area, but the team chemistry is excellent, and the two goalies' friendship looks real to me.

Also, I don't think JVR is soft for the reason you give. It isn't easy to plant yourself in front of the other team's net.

 

[goldnblack]

We're seeing Marchy thrive without Bergy, something we thought impossible.

So there's a lot of reasons to keep the two goalies. But worrying about breaking them up isn't one to me.

 

[Ladyfan]

We're seeing Marchy thrive without Bergy, something we thought impossible.

So there's a lot of reasons to keep the two goalies. But worrying about breaking them up isn't one to me.

I thought Brad would thrive. There were times (over the years) that Bergy was out, and he was fine.

I was a bit worried about the hip surgery, but Brad has been very good

 

[RoccoF14]

There isn't a single player on that list above, that's untouchable from a trade perspective, if the right offer comes along.

Hell, I can think of 3-4 more guys I'd add to the list as well........It all depends on what is coming back in the deal.

Should we be actively shopping Linus at the deadline? Hell no, but I'll listen to offers. Listening is free.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

The goalie rotation thing in the playoffs works as long as you're winning. Everyone is real happy then. But here's the thing

1) Your game 1 guy is your game 7 guy on a rotation. So in a way you're picking your best goalie to be the game 1 guy as is.

2) Swayman wins game one 3-1. Linus loses game two 5-1. Swayman wins game three 2-1. Linus loses game four 4-2.

You really gonna rotate now (and play Linus game 6)? It's very easy to rotate when you WIN. It's real hard if you get punched in the mouth.

So sure, rotate them in wins. But eventually you may not be able to.

I've seen about half a dozen other analysts and I think maybe even Raycroft say the buddy buddy goalie thing isn't great and it cuts down on the competitve nature of the position. Not saying I agree or disagree but thought it was interesting