The game looks like a different sport than it was in 2012ish. That product was far more entertaining to your average sports fan. The teams hated each other, scrums after the whistle. The product these days looks far more like beer league/a friendly golf match. Youre not drawing in random sports fans just because guys can skate and shoot, you are with the 2012 product. League needs more rempes. Id bet the rangers havent had a 4 game stretch with ratings this high all season since rempe started playingFights don't happen often, almost never in the playoffs, and when they do happen they very rarely reach the Rempe/Deslauriers-level. If that's what your friend needs to spark his interest, hockey's probably not for him.
I think it likely he doesn’t keep getting all these pre-game invites; the Rangers have the Leafs in 2 weeks. Probably Reav-o will go with him, and that will be the final “tough guys club” courtesy invite.Anyone else looking forward to The next Habs vs Rangers game?
Xhekaj vs Rempe
Not a fan of the pre game invites. I just meant if it happens in the heat of the game....then im goodI think it likely he doesn’t keep getting all these pre-game invites; the Rangers have the Leafs in 2 weeks. Probably Reav-o will go with him, and that will be the final “tough guys club” courtesy invite.
I'm a long-time hockey fan, but I never understood the appeal of fights....still don't.
It's stupid. Can you imagine a basketball or baseball player stopping a game so they can get in a full out fist fight, and refs allowing it? It's just....forced and dumb to me.
The game looks like a different sport than it was in 2012ish. That product was far more entertaining to your average sports fan.
Sorry if I’m not gonna put too much weight into a 2011 poll of 1,097 canadiens immediately after canada’s most popular player deals with a head injury. And you accused me of cherry picking lol.Except you have no evidence to support this fact. In fact, you are ignoring the evidence because it says the opposite of what you believe. You say you don't have a polling company. Luckily, polling companies have done the job for you:
Most Canadians want hockey fights banned: poll
By Bradley Bouzane While most older Canadians say fighting is not an important part of hockey and want the National Hockey League to crack down on violence, younger…nationalpost.com
54% of Canadians in 2011 said the NHL should ban fighting.
68% disagree that violence is just a part of the game and penalties for for playing rough and tough should not increase.
Nearly 80% say harsher penalties should be implemented for “violence-related” infractions, including cross-checking and roughing, with 48% “strongly” in favour of such action.
In a strange twist, the Canadians most opposed to fighting are people 55 years old and over. Those who have been watching the game longest are most opposed to fighting.
The NHL is a business. If it knew fighting would attract more fans, it would lean into it. The fact it is leaning the opposite way is a clue that their research says cracking down on it is more profitable.
Sorry if I’m not gonna put too much weight into a 2011 poll of 1,097 canadiens immediately after canada’s most popular player deals with a head injury. And you accused me of cherry picking lol.
Oh also, hockey is leaning away from it because of liability not ratings. They know fighting draws more people in but they need to cover their behinds after what happened in the NFL.
Deslaurier pulled out his leg when his jersey was over his head and pushed his body back, that's why he went down. It was a dirtbag move and thankfully Rempe didn't land on his head. f***ing COWARD.
1:35 mark:
I’m sure these polls were very scientific2022 poll:
A majority of Canadians (52%) rate the NHL’s efforts in looking after the safety of its players as “very good” or “good,” while 18% consider them “bad” or “very bad” and 30% are undecided. Among self-described “true fans” of hockey, satisfaction with the NHL on this file reaches an impressive 76%.
In our survey, 80% of Canadians are in favour of banning head shots in professional hockey – a proportion that rises to 89% among “true fans.”
The situation changes when we are asked to imagine professional hockey without fights. Canadians favour this approach by a two-to-one margin (60% to 29%)
Among hockey fans, the idea is more contentious, with 46% supporting a ban on fighting and 49% rejecting it.
Canadians aged 55 and over are more likely to endorse the notion of an NHL where players are not allowed to punch each other (72%) than their counterparts aged 18 to 34 (54%) and aged 35 to 54 (52%). Still, a majority of Canadians in every region do not look at fights as an integral part of the game that should be preserved. Support for this ban is highest in Quebec (69%), followed by Ontario (59%), British Columbia (57%), Saskatchewan and Manitoba (also 57%), Atlantic Canada (55%) and Alberta (51%).
So current fans are split, and potential fans are pretty clearly in favour of banning fighting. At some point dude, you have to accept the evidence before you.
Public support runs high for sidelining violence in hockey, poll finds
Bans on fighting, head shots in pro hockey have approval of majority of Canadians, survey finds.www.vancouverisawesome.com
I've been watching hockey since the late 1960s, saw the Broad Street Bullies, lots of bench-clearing brawls and all the big enforcers. If fighting was the secret ingredient for fan popularity, hockey would've been #1 in North America for the last half-century.The game looks like a different sport than it was in 2012ish. That product was far more entertaining to your average sports fan. The teams hated each other, scrums after the whistle. The product these days looks far more like beer league/a friendly golf match. Youre not drawing in random sports fans just because guys can skate and shoot, you are with the 2012 product. League needs more rempes. Id bet the rangers havent had a 4 game stretch with ratings this high all season since rempe started playing
I’m sure these polls were very scientific
Loved it!!!Ipsos-Reid is one of the most respected polling firms out there. I don't know the second firm, but they also polled over 1,000 Canadians.
And dude, like really? Do you believe there's some sort of conspiracy against fighting? If polls were the only evidence I'd provided, maybe I'd understand. But I've shown that TV viewership is up, revenue is up, youth participation in hockey is up, the NHL just had its most watched regular season game with the Stadium series, Bedard's first night (not Rempe's) brought ESPN its highest ratings ever for a regular season game (before the Stadium series game eclipsed it), social media interaction is up 224% over last year, no major league in the world allows fighting and many are more popular than the NHL, fighting isn't a part of international hockey nor NCAA hockey, nor even playoff hockey which we all agree is the most exciting, I have polls showing Canadians support the NHL's efforts to tamp down fighting...
Meanwhile you guys have nothing but your gut feeling that fighting would bring in more fans.
How much evidence do you need to overcome your gut feelings?
NO.Anyone else looking forward to The next Habs vs Rangers game?
Xhekaj vs Rempe
I never quite understood the swing, take a hit, swing mentality. This ain't wrestling. You don't need the ooohs from the crowd. You can avoid being hit a little.
the fight was a draw....even if someone wanted to say rempe lost....saying he got "murdered" is clearly what they call nowadays fake news.....back in my day, in the schoolyards of brooklyn ny, we just called it "A LIE"View attachment 824692
Keep coping. But truly it was pretty even but delos face is dented lol
Haha not one of these polls has asked people if theyd be more likely or less likely to watch hockey if there was more or less fighting. Common sense stuff. Not sure why you cant see it.2022 poll:
A majority of Canadians (52%) rate the NHL’s efforts in looking after the safety of its players as “very good” or “good,” while 18% consider them “bad” or “very bad” and 30% are undecided. Among self-described “true fans” of hockey, satisfaction with the NHL on this file reaches an impressive 76%.
In our survey, 80% of Canadians are in favour of banning head shots in professional hockey – a proportion that rises to 89% among “true fans.”
The situation changes when we are asked to imagine professional hockey without fights. Canadians favour this approach by a two-to-one margin (60% to 29%)
Among hockey fans, the idea is more contentious, with 46% supporting a ban on fighting and 49% rejecting it.
Canadians aged 55 and over are more likely to endorse the notion of an NHL where players are not allowed to punch each other (72%) than their counterparts aged 18 to 34 (54%) and aged 35 to 54 (52%). Still, a majority of Canadians in every region do not look at fights as an integral part of the game that should be preserved. Support for this ban is highest in Quebec (69%), followed by Ontario (59%), British Columbia (57%), Saskatchewan and Manitoba (also 57%), Atlantic Canada (55%) and Alberta (51%).
So current fans are split, and potential fans are pretty clearly in favour of banning fighting. At some point dude, you have to accept the evidence before you.
Public support runs high for sidelining violence in hockey, poll finds
Bans on fighting, head shots in pro hockey have approval of majority of Canadians, survey finds.www.vancouverisawesome.com
There are polls with all sort of crazy results that don’t align with reality, there can also be a massive bias in the sample of people taking the poll as well as bias built into the questions. I’m a member of Angus Reid forum, I do their surveys because they pay me lol. And I bet this skews it toward being chronically online people and many “NEETs” who will waste time for money as they don’t have any. I bet a much lower % of those people are hockey fans than the general public are.Ipsos-Reid is one of the most respected polling firms out there. I don't know the second firm, but they also polled over 1,000 Canadians.
And dude, like really? Do you believe there's some sort of conspiracy against fighting? If polls were the only evidence I'd provided, maybe I'd understand. But I've shown that TV viewership is up, revenue is up, youth participation in hockey is up, the NHL just had its most watched regular season game with the Stadium series, Bedard's first night (not Rempe's) brought ESPN its highest ratings ever for a regular season game (before the Stadium series game eclipsed it), social media interaction is up 224% over last year, no major league in the world allows fighting and many are more popular than the NHL, fighting isn't a part of international hockey nor NCAA hockey, nor even playoff hockey which we all agree is the most exciting, I have polls showing Canadians support the NHL's efforts to tamp down fighting...
Meanwhile you guys have nothing but your gut feeling that fighting would bring in more fans.
How much evidence do you need to overcome your gut feelings?
Weve gone through this already. You have no evidence to show that revenue being up, youth participation being up, socials interactions being up has anything to do with less fighting. And oh yeah, tv ratings are way down for the one control group (stanley cup) since they started tampering down fightingIpsos-Reid is one of the most respected polling firms out there. I don't know the second firm, but they also polled over 1,000 Canadians.
And dude, like really? Do you believe there's some sort of conspiracy against fighting? If polls were the only evidence I'd provided, maybe I'd understand. But I've shown that TV viewership is up, revenue is up, youth participation in hockey is up, the NHL just had its most watched regular season game with the Stadium series, Bedard's first night (not Rempe's) brought ESPN its highest ratings ever for a regular season game (before the Stadium series game eclipsed it), social media interaction is up 224% over last year, no major league in the world allows fighting and many are more popular than the NHL, fighting isn't a part of international hockey nor NCAA hockey, nor even playoff hockey which we all agree is the most exciting, I have polls showing Canadians support the NHL's efforts to tamp down fighting...
Meanwhile you guys have nothing but your gut feeling that fighting would bring in more fans.
How much evidence do you need to overcome your gut feelings?