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Russ Joy letting it loose on Torts
that poor guys gunna have his head explode when Torts moves to front office and Lappy is Torts underling HC..
Russ Joy letting it loose on Torts
Finding a decent coach is much easier than top 6 centers and 1 D's, obviously.I dont think its a coaching/Torts problem. He is an easy lightning rod for the anger of the fanbase about years of futilty and worse not much near term hope for significant improvement. Sure he does some head scratchers but they dont move the needle as far as being a contender. AV Hakstol Torts are all professional hockey coaches with long resumes of success....until they come here. I wonder what the Flyers record under Snider was compared to Scott. Although the last few GMs were weak I beleive its a Comcast problem and until some really rich hockey nut buys the Flyers.....I like DB i hope he will become a good GM and get really lucky somehow.
That success left him long ago. Rode prime Lundqvist to one conference final appearance and has only been past the 1st rd twice since his cup win. He is a loserI feel like he's a good coach that has had success, but is unable to adapt to the game as it has progressed.
I mean for the most part i agree with what he's saying.
Although I don't agree with the tanking a season just for a pick.
And it's also hard to gauge how big of a leash torts has with the front office considering it is mostly a new one with hopefully a better plan forward.
Unless I heard wrong he claims that other coaches didn't get near a long leash as torts.
I mean AV was fired entering his 3rd year
Hakstol lasted until the start of his 4th year.
Hell the longest tenured coach for the Flyers was 7 years and it was shero. The average lifespan of a flyers coach is 3 to 4 years, so I don't get that part.
I also like how he mentions things like how in all his years covering the sport he has never seen xyz or whatever, but the dude is young as shit lol.
To me he kind of sounds like an angry fan venting his frustrations in that clip than anything.
Not hating on the guy, just my observation from watching this clip and never following him.
I think it's less culture than "swiss cheese."I don’t necessarily blame Tortorella for the current on ice play. But at the same time there’s a subset of people whether that’s fans, media, the organization, Tortorella himself, etc. that love to give him credit for when things are going good so…
They’re ultimately picking up where they left off last year. The same issues for the most part are showing again & that’s probably an indictment of the roster.
Where I would more so criticize Tortorella is in fact for the roster construction which he has a say in. I’m sure as shit he’s probably had good in say in reasons as to why they haven’t traded certain players so far because of culture reasons.
Lavy was a victim of the front office acquiring pre lockout style players for a post lockout style coach. Adding Nick Grossman to a Laviolette team is a clear example of what is wrong with the Flyers front office. It isn’t hard to know that Lavy’s system required puck moving defensemen yet the FO brought in defensive defenseman. (Using Chel player model presets).If they fire Torts they better bring in somebody good. Sick of revolving coaches. Letting Lavy go was a crime.
I must again point out that nothing about the front office is new. It is made entirely of the old one.
Lavy was a victim of the front office acquiring pre lockout style players for a post lockout style coach. Adding Nick Grossman to a Laviolette team is a clear example of what is wrong with the Flyers front office. It isn’t hard to know that Lavy’s system required puck moving defensemen yet the FO brought in defensive defenseman. (Using Chel player model presets).
False they just flat out like those players and dont want to move them. You can always find a vet off the scrap heap to get you through the year.I think it's less culture than "swiss cheese."
You saw what happened with Seeler out, whether E Johnson or promoting Zamula to 2nd pair.
Hathaway is one of their most consistent (if limited) forwards.
What bought Laughton time was probably the huge hole at center, Cout's injury history, etc.
It's not a matter of fielding a PO team, it's the desire to be competitive as a better environment for player development (losing hard fought games much better than getting blown out on a regular basis, as we've seen in this season's start).
Almost all the best prospects are either 20-21 in the AHL or in the CHL/SHL/KHL/NCAA.
So they're reluctant to part with second and third tier veterans until enough young players are NHL ready. And that may take 1-2 more years (how fast will Avon, Tuomaala, etc. develop, are Barkey, Bonk, etc. NHL ready next year or will they need AHL time, when will Ciernek et al. come to the US and so on).
They still have less 30 and older veterans than most if not all the other rebuilding teams.
Trading JVR for Luke Schenn was even more undermining...Lavy was a victim of the front office acquiring pre lockout style players for a post lockout style coach. Adding Nick Grossman to a Laviolette team is a clear example of what is wrong with the Flyers front office. It isn’t hard to know that Lavy’s system required puck moving defensemen yet the FO brought in defensive defenseman. (Using Chel player model presets).
False they just flat out like those players and dont want to move them. You can always find a vet off the scrap heap to get you through the year.
Out of all the rebuilding teams. I will include the Flyers for this one. Where do you rank them in terms of who you think will have better future success and contend the quickest. Who has the better talent pool when combining NHL roster and prospects? Rank em.
Flyers, Sharks, Ducks, Chicago, Montreal, and Columbus
The exchange between Tortorella and Seeler from last night’s game was noted in today’s Inky. Sounds like the players have had their fill of the coach trying to put every failure on them. Even the casual fan can see the lack of cohesion that is taking place on the ice due to poor coaching. MM starts the game on a line with Couturier and Foerster. Next thing he’s being flipped out there with Konecny and Frost. It’s impossible to build lines when they’re constantly being shuffled. Then folks wonder why there are missed opportunities and blown coverages. The team looks like a mess because the guy behind the bench is one.
No, he's just falling into it by accident.The only thing Torts is "trying" to do is undermine player development and any hope of this team becoming a sustainable contender.....
Russ Joy letting it loose on Torts
Why do you have a hard time admitting the Flyers are an incompetent organization?Ask me after the 2025 draft, those teams started earlier.
Basically a rebuild gets one or two deep drafts after you trade veterans and accumulate draft picks.
The reason Flyer coaches tended to go into "shells" was lack of talent after 2012.
When you have firepower spread over 3 lines and a reliable goalie who can stop his share of odd man rushes, you can play a more aggressive style.
When you have one scoring line and you're not confident in your goalie you play it safe and hope to steal points.
Not rocket science.
Why do you have a hard time admitting the Flyers are an incompetent organization?
Holmgren retired.Why do you have a hard time admitting the Flyers are an incompetent organization?
Lavi is the start of a pattern we see with every coach since; abandoning offensive attack that carries any risk in favor of heavy emphasis on defending and preventing goals. He didn't know how to reconcile any of it (though he did actually figure it out in Nashville/WAS); and the fact is that those players they got were theoretically suited for a meatshield style, but only if you follow the weird Hockeyguy notion that players who are bad at offense must be good at defense, and vice versa. Those guys just sucked no matter what you did with them or how you did it.
Berube ran a defensive shell with a very slow and deliberate transition that moved everyone up as a five man unit and had no quick strike ability, but in theory meant picking anything off for a fast counterattack was hard. Hakstol, well, we know how ridiculously low-risk that guy was. Both of them were less safe in their next gigs, more open offensively. They hired AV, and the second he hit a bump he did a thing he has never once done: pulled back his stretch hockey to try and be heavily defensive...with no cohesive defensive system, and despite having shown for years that he had no idea how to coach defense. It's impossible for me to believe that management wasn't shouting in all of their ears to coach that style. It keeps happening, even with two of the last coaches anyone thought would try it.
They'd basically been trying to be Tortorella at his NYR worst, with worse rosters, and so finally they stopped trying to get different coaches to pretend at it and went straight to the source.
And so here we are!