Tribute The Official "Fire Tortorella" Thread

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Always the coach. Last year it was the players. Torts has them playing better than last year, and they are fun to watch. Can not say that about last year. Who you going to bring in this time as a savior? Please, They have trouble scoring skill goals, on the PP and the goaltending is bad. What savior is fixing that? I will say that all Phantom coaches should be fired. Anybody called up has to learn the Torts system. That should already be done down there. I get the Rocky hate, but Lappy is worse.

This roster was catered specifically to Tortorella with input and demands from him. For them to fall flat this badly, or for him to lose them, is an enormous black eye. Especially considering they abandoned any thought (serious or not) of rebuilding to do this. Selling the Michkov era out to hope they can ascend to mediocrity today.
 

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What a terrible coach.


Not defending him. Who's better and how are they going to make the team better?

I've seen this posted for as long as I've had the idea of checking out internet hockey discussion. Hitchcock would be retired either way, but using this dismissive reasoning that this is as good as things can get on this front, Stevens should still be coach today.

Because the way it always goes is people present candidates, and they all get shot down. Every time. You're just throwing your hands up and saying "why bother changing?" and when anyone offers a why, it shifts to "don't bother changing."
 

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No. You need a coach that fits what you want to do. I will argue that Hitch was way worse than Torts. As was AV. Talk about wasting/not playing talent. Oh, and talk about rosters fit to them? Lavy and Torts have had the most fun teams to watch in recent times, in my opinion.

Change for just the sake of change isn't always good either.
 

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No. You need a coach that fits what you want to do. I will argue that Hitch was way worse than Torts. As was AV. Talk about wasting/not playing talent. Oh, and talk about rosters fit to them? Lavy and Torts have had the most fun teams to watch in recent times, in my opinion.

Change for just the sake of change isn't always good either.
problem is..they really do not know what they want to do
 

Cody Webster

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Sullivan did a very good job for a while in Pittsburgh. I do not know if that was a result of him being so familiar with the roster thanks to coaching a chunk of them in the AHL, and thus knowing how to get the most out of them. All credit to him, he knew precisely what to do. He also made really good game plans in those runs, and coached around a lot of major injuries.

Will that be repeated coming in cold to a different team? That is the question.

Not a relevant one for us anyway, they'll certainly be promoting Shaw if Tortorella promotes himself.
Careful what you wish for, from the sounds of it Sullivan would fit in really well here


Pens fans would love landing Graf, however, Sullivan would play Carter, Nieto and HAWKINS over him. So I doubt he would sign with the penguins.


Old vets and AHL/ NHL tweeters make me warm and fuzzy.
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No. You need a coach that fits what you want to do. I will argue that Hitch was way worse than Torts. As was AV. Talk about wasting/not playing talent. Oh, and talk about rosters fit to them? Lavy and Torts have had the most fun teams to watch in recent times, in my opinion.

Change for just the sake of change isn't always good either.

As has been mentioned, they have no idea what they're doing. Clarke gushed about how badly players would be treated when Torts was hired, so that's a part of their mindset. I don't think that's something we should be keeping around. That should be urgently changed.

We also know based on their actions and words for over a decade, they have a massive fetish about bluecollar play and defense while scorning skill and offense. That's directly contrary to the direction the league has gone in a decade. They also value wrong skillsets to even achieve what they want. All of it is in service to delusion.

Safe to say we can pretty effortlessly do better than Tortorella, and this is a thing I've pointed out for years before he was hired. It's been abundantly obvious the league has been trending fast away from Tortorella for a very long time. We aren't talking change for the sake of change, we are talking change for the sake of competing. Ridding ourselves of Tortorella is only one part of it. We need to rid the team of the whole management group, too.

"He's better than AV" is an absurdly low bar. He's also better than Eakins. Whatever, almost every coach and many assistants in the league meet those standards. I've always ever been interested in building a strong, contending team. I do not see how any of what has been going on accomplishes that. It does the opposite. It is the opposite of what is needed.
 

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It sounds like the same as what happened in Calgary last year where everyone got f***ing pissed at him and he had to fall on the sword when it became evident that the team was going to quit on him.
It sure looks like “Old School” types such as Sutter, Babcock, Tortorella and their like have had their run. Like it or not the younger generations don’t respond well to the methods of play and discipline of the past. I may be wrong but I think that Briere, and maybe Jones as well, understand this.
 

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It sure looks like “Old School” types such as Sutter, Babcock, Tortorella and their like have had their run. Like it or not the younger generations don’t respond well to the methods of play and discipline of the past. I may be wrong but I think that Briere, and maybe Jones as well, understand this.

You are definitely wrong.
 

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There are more coaches out there than the same 25-30 that have been around NHL benches in some capacity since 1995 that keep getting trotted out.

Hextall tried a 'new' coach method... probably one of the biggest disasters ever.

Both sides have merit on keeping or firing Torts, but just the sake of firing him without an adequate replacement is not the answer.

It sounds like the same as what happened in Calgary last year where everyone got f***ing pissed at him and he had to fall on the sword when it became evident that the team was going to quit on him.

Didn't do them much good this year anyways...
 

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This roster was catered specifically to Tortorella with input and demands from him. For them to fall flat this badly, or for him to lose them, is an enormous black eye. Especially considering they abandoned any thought (serious or not) of rebuilding to do this. Selling the Michkov era out to hope they can ascend to mediocrity today.

Maybe Flyers are just doomed or cursed... watch Cutter become an elite center and a player we need for the rebuild.
 

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"It always comes down to, 'Oh, they're going to quit on him,'" Tortorella said. "It follows me around. [...] you got the wrong [darn] coach here and you got the wrong [darn] people here."

When you cut out the bs middle part I actually agree with the assessment there.
 

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