Blue Jays Discussion: The official Davis Schneider Appreciation Society

[Eyedea]

I have a feeling if the Jays offer is the "highest" it's because it's high AAV (50-70M) and short-term (2 years). That could be attractive to Ohtani because he would get to re-enter the free agent market again in his prime (age 30) just in time for his return to the mound, and he could reassess his situation then without being locked in if he doesn't like it here. That could also be attractive to the Jays because it coincides with the end of this current core's contracts, which would allow them to go in a new direction in 2 years, while going all in now when they're increasing ticket prices and unveiling all these stadium changes.

I’d love for the deal to also include ridiculous player/club option scenarios like Green’s contract to make it even more confusing for everyone

 

[hockeywiz542]

As Atkins says little, let's read between the lines on Blue Jays, Ohtani

Blue Jays GM Ross Atkins met the media via Zoom and said very little. It's never been more important to speak carefully. But what can we learn from reading between the lines on some of Atkins' comments?

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I think the AAV would have to be insane for Ohtani to accept a delay like that. He's already going to get $500 million, so the risk is too high to take a short term deal. If anything, I think it would be a front-loaded deal with opt outs, but I doubt he even considers a purely short-term deal.

Not sure how much risk there really is. People are ready to give him 500-600M right now while he's expected to undergo his second tommy john surgery with a chance (however small) that he may never pitch again. Even if that were the case he could include player options covering the rest of the 500M-600M so he can choose to opt in or go back on the market. The ball's really in his court.

 

[Discoverer]

Not sure how much risk there really is. People are ready to give him 500-600M right now while he's expected to undergo his second tommy john surgery with a chance (however small) that he may never pitch again. Even if that were the case he could include player options covering the rest of the 500M-600M so he can choose to opt in or go back on the market. The ball's really in his court.

That's what I mean... he'll get a long term commitment from the team regardless, but he could have opt outs that allow him to re-enter the market in a couple years.

 

[Ale Brew]

That's what I mean... he'll get a long term commitment from the team regardless, but he could have opt outs that allow him to re-enter the market in a couple years.

Given he has basically all the negotiating power, I’m sure you’re right. Why not get some opt outs? Puts all the risk on the team side, but again, they’re all lined up for him.

 

[GoonieFace]

I wonder that if Ohtani and his agent speak to Ross Atkins, they will be so confused they will
sign a contract without even knowing it.

 

[Canada4Gold]

TBH I'm just ready for this to be over. I'm going to be very unimpressed if this drags out another week. It was originally speculated to be done prior to the winter meetings. Literally everyone is waiting on him before anything else happens. The winter meetings are pointless. Evidenced by GMs literally not even being there. I'm just getting mentally exhausted waiting.

The first couple days after he signs will be bananas. It'll be like July 1st in the NHL. Except they don't tell you which day it's going to be. It's just a surprise

 

[cyris]

TBH I'm just ready for this to be over. I'm going to be very unimpressed if this drags out another week. It was originally speculated to be done prior to the winter meetings. Literally everyone is waiting on him before anything else happens. The winter meetings are pointless. Evidenced by GMs literally not even being there. I'm just getting mentally exhausted waiting.

The first couple days after he signs will be bananas. It'll be like July 1st in the NHL. Except they don't tell you which day it's going to be. It's just a surprise

If you were making a major life decision like this would you be in any rush to decide?

I get why it is frustrating to some people but I also get why this could take a while.

 

[Canada4Gold]

If you were making a major life decision like this would you be in any rush to decide?

I get why it is frustrating to some people but I also get why this could take a while.

No but I probably wouldn't be holding meetings now. These meetings could have taken place weeks ago. Seems really weird to be holding them at the same time as the winter meetings to me.

 

[Kurtz]

I am honestly more interested in what breed of dog he owns.

Hopefully it's not a pitbull, or we're screwed.

 

[BarDownBobo]

No but I probably wouldn't be holding meetings now. These meetings could have taken place weeks ago. Seems really weird to be holding them at the same time as the winter meetings to me.

There’s definitely gonna be a degree of hopium in this comment but I kinda think the fact that it’s dragged out this long means somebody absolutely blew the doors off of what Ohtani was expecting and is making him seriously reconsider. Like you said it would’ve made so much more sense to have it wrapped up before the winter meetings so his destination can continue with building the team around him. The longer it drags out the less likely it’s the Dodgers I kinda feel(although watch it be announced there tomorrow anyways).

 

[Killer Orcas]

Hopefully it's not a pitbull, or we're screwed.

Didn't another player also have some issues with turtles?

 

[Puckstuff]

So no Soto AND Ohtani. It's either/or. Pretty much what we've been saying.

This make sense.

But maybe Yamamoto (5 WAR?) + Teo/Hoskins (3 WAR?) could be possible. Just as an example.

 

[landy92mack29]

If I'm Ohtani I'm asking why Bichette and Guerrero haven't been signed long term yet because I'm not wanting to go into another Angels situation.

 

[TimeZone]

Lets be honest, it isn't happening.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Lets be honest, it isn't happening.

Pass this info on to Jeff Passan

 

[HuGort]

As Atkins says little, let's read between the lines on Blue Jays, Ohtani

Blue Jays GM Ross Atkins met the media via Zoom and said very little. It's never been more important to speak carefully. But what can we learn from reading between the lines on some of Atkins' comments?

www.sportsnet.ca

All this going on with Atkins mystery kind of exciting. Get feeling he's working on details of Ohtani contract.

If Jays get Ohtani without giving up any players they need to go all in next few seasons.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Puckstuff]

Here's a serious question...

If the price for Soto is Manoah + Tiedemann (or something equally outrageous) would you rather trade for Soto or make a couple of free agency signings like signing both Yamamoto and Teoscar Hernandez or sign Bellinger + Hoskins?

Because then it comes down to Manaoh+Tideamann+Yamamoto+Hernandez (10-12 WAR??) and 18 years of control vs Soto (6-7 WAR and 1 year of control)

There's a certain price point for Soto where it starts to make more sense to just go the free agency route.

Also if we trade Manoah for Soto we need to sign a 5th starter.

 

[mikeyz]

Hopefully it's not a pitbull, or we're screwed.

Is the pitbull ban still in place? I could have sworn it was lifted.

 

[red devil]

 

[stickty111]

Ken mentioned in the article based on Ohtani's personality, this could mean things are progressing but that was a guess. Said there were signs all day something was going on between Jays and Ohtani

 

[Killer Orcas]

Ken mentioned in the article based on Ohtani's personality, this could mean things are progressing but that was a guess. Said there were signs all day something was going on between Jays and Ohtani

Let's hope he liked what he saw there especially with him rehabbing that arm to pitch again in 2025.

 

[Cloned]

I’ll forgive Atkins for everything if he manages to pull off Soto AND Ohtani lol

 

[phillipmike]

Doesn’t bode well for us if that leaked and Ohtani values privacy.

That being said, Ohtani is just there for a tour. Still courting. Liam Hendriks visited the training camp facility too but signed with Chicago. Nothing is close to being done re: Jays and Ohtani.