Blue Jays Discussion: The official Davis Schneider Appreciation Society

[Bjindaho]

I think it is Scherzer and Verlander both at 43 million a year.

It is them then Judge at 40.

 

[fancy lad]

i would be shocked floored completely flabbergasted in the Jays brought in a marquee free agent such a Ohtani.

They always say they're in the mix when there's a massive free agent. It's been happening for what feels like decades. Yet somehow they NEVER land said player.

I can't see it changing.

Also thanks Chappy for not taking that deal. i think jays fans are ready to move on as much as he is, but the strange thing is does he stand to make more money elsewhere or does he just not want to be here anymore?

 

[Suntouchable13]

i would be shocked floored completely flabbergasted in the Jays brought in a marquee free agent such a Ohtani.

They always say they're in the mix when there's a massive free agent. It's been happening for what feels like decades. Yet somehow they NEVER land said player.

I can't see it changing.

Also thanks Chappy for not taking that deal. i think jays fans are ready to move on as much as he is, but the strange thing is does he stand to make more money elsewhere or does he just not want to be here anymore?

Jays have landed some really nice free agents recently. Ryu was big back then, Gausman, Springer. Those were all significant free agents that the Jays landed. Ohtani is probably in another tier, but to say Jays never land big free agents is not true.

 

[Bjindaho]

i would be shocked floored completely flabbergasted in the Jays brought in a marquee free agent such a Ohtani.

They always say they're in the mix when there's a massive free agent. It's been happening for what feels like decades. Yet somehow they NEVER land said player.

I can't see it changing.

Also thanks Chappy for not taking that deal. i think jays fans are ready to move on as much as he is, but the strange thing is does he stand to make more money elsewhere or does he just not want to be here anymore?

Chapman is predicted to get somewhere around the Springer deal, and the Jays offer was likely less money and less years.

As for the first comment, Toronto has hit on some bigger free agents (Springer, Ryu and Gausman), but they've struggled with posted players (non-existent presence) and it's unlikely that they will touch the Ohtani deal in terms of dollars or years (anything up to the Judge deal and I think the Jays have to be in)

 

[rojac]

There’s a point it becomes stupid. Then they charge outrageously high prices for concessions and gear.

They'll charge less for things like concessions and gear when people stop buying them at the current prices.

 

[Nineteen67]

They'll charge less for things like concessions and gear when people stop buying them at the current prices.

I get the updated spring training hat every time they change it and I drink a couple of beers at most ST games, but I can see how many people are getting priced out.

 

[Eyedea]

i would be shocked floored completely flabbergasted in the Jays brought in a marquee free agent such a Ohtani.

They always say they're in the mix when there's a massive free agent. It's been happening for what feels like decades. Yet somehow they NEVER land said player.

I can't see it changing.

Also thanks Chappy for not taking that deal. i think jays fans are ready to move on as much as he is, but the strange thing is does he stand to make more money elsewhere or does he just not want to be here anymore?

Chapman is predicted to get somewhere around the Springer deal, and the Jays offer was likely less money and less years.

As for the first comment, Toronto has hit on some bigger free agents (Springer, Ryu and Gausman), but they've struggled with posted players (non-existent presence) and it's unlikely that they will touch the Ohtani deal in terms of dollars or years (anything up to the Judge deal and I think the Jays have to be in)

There are also cases where the Jays are right there (Verlander) but lose out due to factors beyond their control.

Usually buying players comes with significant risk but the new era Jays have been pretty great at it.

 

[Puckstuff]

i would be shocked floored completely flabbergasted in the Jays brought in a marquee free agent such a Ohtani.

They always say they're in the mix when there's a massive free agent. It's been happening for what feels like decades. Yet somehow they NEVER land said player.

I can't see it changing.

Also thanks Chappy for not taking that deal. i think jays fans are ready to move on as much as he is, but the strange thing is does he stand to make more money elsewhere or does he just not want to be here anymore?

Yeah, Ohtani isn't happening. He's most likely going to L.A and will make 50-60 million a year.

Bellinger is good but I'm not sure how enthusiastic I am about a guy who Steamer has projected to be a .770 OPS bat next year. He could be a middle of the order bat but there's some risk that he's just a decent power bat and he regresses.

Soto is the consistent middle of the order bat we need and he won't cost 60 million either. Also Hoskins or even Teoscar would be a nice addition for DH as well.

 

[Dr.Funk]

i would be shocked floored completely flabbergasted in the Jays brought in a marquee free agent such a Ohtani.

They always say they're in the mix when there's a massive free agent. It's been happening for what feels like decades. Yet somehow they NEVER land said player.

I can't see it changing.

Also thanks Chappy for not taking that deal. i think jays fans are ready to move on as much as he is, but the strange thing is does he stand to make more money elsewhere or does he just not want to be here anymore?

I'd take Chapman back in a heartbeat on a team friendly deal. While his bat wasn't what many of us including myself thought it was going to be after moving from the Coliseum it's still probably what his replacement will produce and tbe glove is still excellent.

But a team friendly deal isn't happening.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Sigh

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[dredeye]

Sigh

It worked fine as is. Why mess with it for no reason

 

[as Pure as Evil]

If thus year follows suit like the last couple. We end up signing the guys we missed out the last couple bellinger and co

 

[the valiant effort]

I like any increase on the pitch clock. It’s not like a rule change for the sake of rule change like the NHL looking to outlaw 1F/2D combos in OT

 

[Nineteen67]

Sigh

Was there an increase in TV ratings during the playoffs? Outside of Atlanta and Dallas did anyone watch the WS?
The pitch clock drove away some fans, like my son and his mates.

 

[Discoverer]

Was there an increase in TV ratings during the playoffs? Outside of Atlanta and Dallas did anyone watch the WS?
The pitch clock drove away some fans, like my son and his mates.

I find that really confusing. I mean... I never cared one way or another about the pitch clock because I already loved baseball the way it was, but I can't imagine the reasoning behind not watching baseball because of the pitch clock.

 

[Nineteen67]

I find that really confusing. I mean... I never cared one way or another about the pitch clock because I already loved baseball the way it was, but I can't imagine the reasoning behind not watching baseball because of the pitch clock.

It was a factor, among others, that contributed to them not watching the pennant races or playoffs for the first time in years.

 

[Discoverer]

It was a factor, among others, that contributed to them not watching the pennant races or playoffs for the first time in years.

Sure, but I still don't understand why anyone would perceive it as a negative.

 

[phillipmike]

Rosenthal: Why the NL Cy Young ballot was a trap, plus a potential sleeper in Ohtani's free agency

The biggest problem on the NL Cy Young ballot was what to do with Spencer Strider.

theathletic.com

At least one rival executive views the Blue Jays as a sleeper for Shohei Ohtani. The execs rationale: Any plans the Jays had to sign Guerrero Jr. and Bichette to massive extensions might now be on hold. Springer’s contract expires after 2026. The team remains in need of left-handed power​

The Jays could sell Toronto as an international city with a growing Japanese population. But one problem for them, and for that matter the Red Sox and Yankees, is that if Ohtani’s priority is winning, he might prefer a club outside the highly competitive AL East. And though the Jays play in Rogers Centre, a ballpark with a retractable roof, teams in the West play in more reliable conditions. Ohtani, as he recovers from his second major elbow surgery, might fear disruptions in his schedule because of inclement weather.

This exec owes the agent a favor. Agent is just using the Jays as leverage.

 

[Bjindaho]

Rosenthal: Why the NL Cy Young ballot was a trap, plus a potential sleeper in Ohtani's free agency

The biggest problem on the NL Cy Young ballot was what to do with Spencer Strider.

theathletic.com

This exec owes the agent a favor. Agent is just using the Jays as leverage.

I expect the Jays to have a bid in. There is absolutely no excuse not to. That being said, I expect it to get outbid when LA goes with something like 10 year, 500 million.

 

[Deebo]

Ohtani doesn't need more leverage, everyone wants him already.

 

[McFly2544]

I could see the Jays making a competitive offer…he just won’t sign here

 

[MK78]

If Ohtani ends up anywhere but the west coast I'll eat my hat.

 

[phillipmike]

Ohtani doesn't need more leverage, everyone wants him already.

Agents have to do their job. Everyone wants him but realistically maybe 10 teams put in offers, maybe of those 10, 5 are legit offers/suitors and maybe of those 5, 2-3 of them are of interest to Ohtani. He could get a $600M offer from SD or SF, but maybe he already knows he doesnt want to go there.

If you are a Leaf fan, you remember the Tavares sweepstakes. We all knew it was Toronto or the Islanders. But he met with San Jose because they had the most money (offered $13M AAV), Dallas because they have no state tax and Boston to make the Leafs nervous.

Same thing with Judge. Judge's agent started working in February 2022 before Judge was a free agent putting in a magazine that it is Judge's dream to play for his hometown team; SF. It went down to the wire where SF thought they got Judge but in reality no one had a shot. Judge told his agent, get me the most amount of money you can but i want to be a Yankee. He also turned down the Padres $400M offer for the Yankees' $360M.

As much as Ohtani is wanted, similar to the Tavares/Judge sweepstakes, Ohtani could (probably more likely than could) have told his agent, get me the most money and i want to play in only LA or X or Y. So its all about getting the team you want worried to ensure your preferred destination gives you their best offer.

 

[Nineteen67]

It was a factor, among others, that contributed to them not watching the pennant races or playoffs for the first time in years.

It put time a clock on the game. And to make matters worse, the clock violations are managed by incompetent umps.
The other ridiculous thing is the digital strike zone box.