Blue Jays Discussion: The official Davis Schneider Appreciation Society

[ShaneFalco]

Im going to the game tonite. They better play well.

Can you hit?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Team needs to regroup over off season .. hire a new mgmt team at GM and manager levels .. maybe keep prez for his stadium work which has been very good but cut him out of baseball decisions .. put Vlady, Manoah and Kirk in a fat farm over fall/winter to improve their diets and nutrition .. and then somehow figure out a way to get our hands on an ACE who can lead da team

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Jays need to start keeping their players accountable for their bodies. There is no scenario where being overweight is a benefit to the team.

Players have to take their jobs seriously and show some professionalism. It's honestly shocking that they've been dealing with this for years with Vladdy and now Kirk and Manoah are following suite.

 

[Anthrax442]

Can you hit?

nope, but I have a perfect Benjie Molina body

 

[fancy lad]

The thing i dont understand about this whole Manoah fiasco is What’s his motivation? how does he think any of his recent choices will lead to a good outcome? what does he expect will happen to him beyond this season? He’s literally in the process of throwing away his career.

At this point he’s given himself a reputation of being a problem and difficult to manage. Does he want a trade? What team would trade for him? its funny that he won’t report to AAA, when the reality is he’ll be seeing a lot of the minor leagues in whatever scenario he ends up in next year be it with Toronto or somewhere else.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

 

[saska sault]

Manoah seems to have an attitude issue above all, he had a lot of chirping and talking trash to big name players and franchises and now that he can't reproduce his results he is deflecting blame. Just get in the gym and grind, like you self proclaimed you did. I do agree with other posters , the Jay's need to get these young men in shape. They aren't kids anymore, and you play as a professional athlete..

Contract is aging like milk.

 

[trellaine201]

Will we have any money to spend in the winter? I am not sure how many players are under contract? Good luck attracting pitchers if we need any. Who would want to sign with this current team as it is.

 

[saska sault]

Will we have any money to spend in the winter? I am not sure how many players are under contract? Good luck attracting pitchers if we need any. Who would want to sign with this current team as it is.

Should have lots. Ryu, Chapman, KK and a couple bullpen guys. They could easily spend 40-60 million.

 

[canucksfan]

Should have lots. Ryu, Chapman, KK and a couple bullpen guys. They could easily spend 40-60 million.

Not sure. There are a lot of raises coming I think.

 

[saska sault]

Not sure. There are a lot of raises coming I think.

For a few guys yes, but money can always be moved out like when Teo was traded for multiple pieces. Guys like Espinal, Biggio, Kirk, Jansen can all go if the numbers come in high or they just want to shake things up. Plus Roger's has the pockets to out spend anyone if they want to. Can't imagine they will not continue to push for a winner and spend with all the money going into the SKYDOME.

 

[Puckstuff]

For a few guys yes, but money can always be moved out like when Teo was traded for multiple pieces. Guys like Espinal, Biggio, Kirk, Jansen can all go if the numbers come in high or they just want to shake things up. Plus Roger's has the pockets to out spend anyone if they want to. Can't imagine they will not continue to push for a winner and spend with all the money going into the SKYDOME.

1. Springer
2. Bichette
3. _______
4. Gurrerro
5. Schneider
6. Jansen/Kirk
7. Varsho
8. Horwitz
9. Barger/Martinez/Clement

This team needs a big time LF bat or DH bat. They need a Matt Olson or Soto type bat in the middle of the lineup. We don’t have a superstar #3 hitter. We need a guy that can reliably put up a .900 ops season and be that hitter the team can rely on. And then just hope guys like Springer, Vladdy and Varsho have better years. Because a massive rebuild seems unlikely. We are pretty locked in with this group imo. We just made a huge trade for Varsho.

 

[saska sault]

1. Springer
2. Bichette
3. _______
4. Gurrerro
5. Schneider
6. Jansen/Kirk
7. Varsho
8. Horwitz
9. Barger/Martinez/Clement

This team needs a big time LF bat or DH bat. They need a Matt Olson or Soto type bat in the middle of the lineup. We don’t have a superstar #3 hitter. We need a guy that can reliably put up a .900 ops season and be that hitter the team can rely on. And then just hope guys like Springer, Vladdy and Varsho have better years. Because a massive rebuild seems unlikely. We are pretty locked in with this group imo. We just made a huge trade for Varsho.

Dont disagree... Ohtani and Bellinger would be my goals, push hard for both and see if either are interested. Ohtani is going to likely get Mets money so we arent likely one his radar. Bellinger seems likely to stay with the Cubs but you never know. The free agency possibilities are not the most enticing, a Teo reunion could happen but that doesn't move the needle that much with other guys subtractions. Chapman should easily get the biggest contract for any infielder just because of his glove and his occasional hot streak or return to form with the bat. I would not be against taking on a huge contract via trade... whoever that may be. Cards struggled, Padres or Mets could decide to move on from someone to free up money for Ohtani? Im ok if Rogers swings for the fences on an established stars large contract... we could package some cost efficient MLB players and some prospects and make one of those teams happy to move on from a star player.

 

[Puckstuff]

Dont disagree... Ohtani and Bellinger would be my goals, push hard for both and see if either are interested. Ohtani is going to likely get Mets money so we arent likely one his radar. Bellinger seems likely to stay with the Cubs but you never know. The free agency possibilities are not the most enticing, a Teo reunion could happen but that doesn't move the needle that much with other guys subtractions. Chapman should easily get the biggest contract for any infielder just because of his glove and his occasional hot streak or return to form with the bat. I would not be against taking on a huge contract via trade... whoever that may be. Cards struggled, Padres or Mets could decide to move on from someone to free up money for Ohtani? Im ok if Rogers swings for the fences on an established stars large contract... we could package some cost efficient MLB players and some prospects and make one of those teams happy to move on from a star player.

Yeah I hope they pursue quality over quantity. I would take 1 good bat over 2-3 mediocre bats. We actually may have capable or decent enough hitters 5-9 next year, internally. It’s really the 3-4 spots that have hurt this team the most especially when Belt is out. If we had good hitting from 3-4 in the lineup this team would be top 10 in runs. And I have to expect at least some type of rebound from Varsho and Kirk next year and with Schneider, Jansen and others I’m not to worried about the production form 5-9 and 1-2 with Springer and Bichette in the batting order next year. But I don’t have much faith in 3-4. And Davis Schneider looks legit, but who knows if that can continue.

 

[saska sault]

Yeah I hope they pursue quality over quantity. I would take 1 good bat over 2-3 mediocre bats. We actually may have capable or decent enough hitters 5-9 next year, internally. It’s really the 3-4 spots that have hurt this team the most especially when Belt is out. If we had good hitting from 3-4 in the lineup this team would be top 10 in runs. And I have to expect at least some type of rebound from Varsho and Kirk next year and with Schneider, Jansen and others I’m not to worried about the production form 5-9 and 1-2 with Springer and Bichette in the batting order next year. But I don’t have much faith in 3-4. And Davis Schneider looks legit, but who knows if that can continue.

If Vladdy could ever get his fitness is line with the wear and tear of being a 3B, it would open up so many possibilities.. think the way they accepted his move to 1st so early in his career may have been a negative. Vlad's best year seemed to be the year he was isolated from outside influence. Look at guys like Freeman and Olson, no coincidence the 2 best teams in baseball have the best 1B. You need production and a guy who can pick a ball from the dirt consistently. Sign Vlad Sr. as the hitting coach and bring Donte back as an advisor.

Schneider has earned his spot for next year, he is every ounce and every ounce again of what many of our depth guys should have been.

 

[Anthrax442]

I was at the game last nite. My god how terrible they looked. The crowed was boo-ing them at some points. But the positive thing was that the game ended at 9:30, I was home pretty early.

 

[fancy lad]

It just pisses me off that they didn't choose a proven manager after last season. the writing was on the wall then.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I was at the game last nite. My god how terrible they looked. The crowed was boo-ing them at some points. But the positive thing was that the game ended at 9:30, I was home pretty early.

Pretty sad the game ending was the highlight

It just pisses me off that they didn't choose a proven manager after last season. the writing was on the wall then.

They needed a bat at the deadline and didn't come through. I don't hold Schneider blameless, but losing Manoah, Vladdy's power issues....and not just him, Kirk, Springer........Jansen and Chapman injuries (although Chapman wasn't do anything at the plate). Just feels there's something missing with this team

 

[Anthrax442]

last 2 years of Shapkins have been very disappointing. I get Covid, but we should have had enough assets to make good deals and enough bank to sign players.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

last 2 years of Shapkins have been very disappointing. I get Covid, but we should have had enough assets to make good deals and enough bank to sign players.

Some lean drafts relative to the better drafting teams going back to at least 2017, with Manoah and Tiedemann being the best pick of the bunch. They were smart to dump Martin and Hoglund for usefull players, but if either player had developed into a top level prospect they could have been traded for much better players or kept.

2017: Pearson, Schneider
2018: Groshans, Barger
2019: Manoah, Horowitz
2020: Martin
2021: Tiedemann, Hoglund
2022: Barriera, Roden

 

[Eyedea]

Some lean drafts relative to the better drafting teams going back to at least 2017, with Manoah and Tiedemann being the best pick of the bunch. They were smart to dump Martin and Hoglund for usefull players, but if either player had developed into a top level prospect they could have been traded for much better players or kept.

2017: Pearson, Schneider
2018: Groshans, Barger
2019: Manoah, Horowitz
2020: Martin
2021: Tiedemann, Hoglund
2022: Barriera, Roden

There are still quite a few players tracking well (Kasevich, Doughty, Dallas), if not better than expected (Dev Brown, Palmegiani, a bunch of relievers). I still like that '22 draft even if Toman sucks.

They've struck out on a few high picks but they're also not afraid to change their philosophy (going from Zeuch/Warmoth to Barriera/Nimmala).

 

[A1LeafNation]

The same braintrust at Rogers that thought it was a good plan to fire Anthopolous and hire these clowns just did the same thing when axed Dubas and hired Treliving.

Not confident at all in their decision making process.

 

[Eyedea]

The same braintrust at Rogers that thought it was a good plan to fire Anthopolous and hire these clowns just did the same thing when axed Dubas and hired Treliving.

Not confident at all in their decision making process.

They didn’t fire AA, he left because he wanted full autonomy as the GM. A lot of tension was raised when it was reported that Shapiro “scolded” AA for his deadline deals (Price/Tulo trades) but one can just as easily say he was expecting to leave knowing he wouldn’t have full autonomy and decided to open the cupboards and have one last crack of going all in here, which Shapiro was critical of.

I’d imagine this was also partially why Shapiro kept on referencing “sustainable” success when he hired Atkins. They knew they would have to rebuild the system but due to the moves made from AA they were required to hold that off until that window closed.

 

[Kurtz]

BoSox fired Bloom.

 

[phillipmike]