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Suntouchable13

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What happened to the Jays power? I don't quite understand. I look at KC, and Bobby Witt Junior has 28 homers. The most homers on Toronto is Vlad at 21. What happened? Nobody is having an outstanding season in the homer dept. Maybe BO would have hit 30 if he was fully healthy, but that's about it.
 

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Blue Jays' Jansen out for regular season after finger surgery
 

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What happened to the Jays power? I don't quite understand. I look at KC, and Bobby Witt Junior has 28 homers. The most homers on Toronto is Vlad at 21. What happened? Nobody is having an outstanding season in the homer dept. Maybe BO would have hit 30 if he was fully healthy, but that's about it.
I still firmly believe it's an organizational strategy, because the other option is that all of these good young guys forgot how to hit in 2 years. And no, I don't think Hernandez and Gurriel made up THAT much of a difference.
 

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I still firmly believe it's an organizational strategy, because the other option is that all of these good young guys forgot how to hit in 2 years. And no, I don't think Hernandez and Gurriel made up THAT much of a difference.
Last year: 98 HR on the road (8th) and 102 HR at home (8th)
This year: 95 HR on the road (8th) and 68 HR at home (23rd)

Seems like it's almost entirely a new-Skydome-dimensions thing.
 

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What happened to the Jays power? I don't quite understand. I look at KC, and Bobby Witt Junior has 28 homers. The most homers on Toronto is Vlad at 21. What happened? Nobody is having an outstanding season in the homer dept. Maybe BO would have hit 30 if he was fully healthy, but that's about it.
From what I’ve read is he’s using more of his upper body rather than using his lower half, so it leads to a drop in power and a drop in balls being pulled. To me it’s either some sort of injury he’s playing through or he needs to get in better shape, whether that’s losing weight or getting his body better for a long MLB season. Even pitches down the middle he’s rarely pulling and lifting, it’s a lot of upper body swings where he’s chopping the ball into the ground which is leading to a ton of ground balls. His hips and lower half leads to turning, lifting and providing power
 
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People are just surface-level analyzing Frasso.

He has just 6 strikeouts over 11.2 IP in AAA. He isn't "dominating". Furthermore, now that he's up to AAA his Statcast start data is all up on Savant:

Start #1:
- Sat pretty much 92-94mph. Threw 10 pitches over 95mph and topped out at 97.
- Looking at the pitch by pitch tracking, his velocity dropped after about ~35 pitches. His fastball was mainly averaging 92-93 from pitch ~#35-#80.
- Average FB velocity: 93.8 mph
- He had just 5 whiffs on a total of 80 pitches. His fastball in particular only had 1 whiff on 51 pitches.
- 29% CSW% (okay)

Start #2:
- Pretty much the same thing as above, he sat 94-96 and hit 97 in the first ~25 pitches and then immediately dropped to 93-94 and then ~92 mph from pitch #60-80.
- Average FB velocity: 93.7 mph
- 8 pitches over 95.0 mph (86 total pitches thrown).
- 7 whiffs on 86 pitches thrown.
- 21% CSW% (poor)

His velocity is clearly down as he used to hit 99+ mph back when he was with the Jays whereas he is now topping out at 97 and averaging well below that. Furthermore, he has no ability to hold his velocity whatsoever. As he gets to 50+ pitches he is throwing a LOT of ~91-93 mph fastballs.

He will make the MLB, but he's done nothing to shake the reliever tag - most notably the fact that his stuff simply doesn't seem to pop over a starter's workload. How many bats he is missing will be something to track in AAA because the two start sample (obv. small) isn't impressive.

Start #3:

2.2 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 0 BB, 2 K

Threw 73 pitches and didn't get out of the 3rd inning. Just 5 whiffs and a 26% CSW%. Average FB velocity: 93.8 mph again.

Another ugly data point: he gave up 4 of the 5 highest EV's of the entire game (including the 3 hardest hit balls). The hardest hit ball off him was 108.4 mph. In his previous start, he gave up a 114 mph EV.

He really hasn't been good since promotion. He's not missing any bats and hitters seem to be squaring him up.
 
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Start #3:

2.2 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 0 BB, 2 K

Threw 73 pitches and didn't get out of the 3rd inning. Just 5 whiffs and a 26% CSW%. Average FB velocity: 93.8 mph again.

Another ugly data point: he gave up 4 of the 5 highest EV's of the entire game (including the 3 hardest hit balls). The hardest hit ball off him was 108.4 mph. In his previous start, he gave up a 114 mph EV.

He really hasn't been good since promotion. He's not missing any bats and hitters seem to be squaring him up.
I said it before and I really think it is true...while having no way to back it up. I honestly don't think Frasso would have been getting the love he has gotten this year if he was performing in the Jays system rather then the Dodgers system. It felt like people were over looking fairly surface level issues with him and just going inflating the new prospect in the Dodgers system that throws hard.
 
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Came across this post on another board, and it seems to be a major Manoah update that no one is really talking about. I'll copy and paste it since I haven't seen it posted here:

Not sure if anyone else caught BNS appearance on Jays Talk Plus yesterday, but he cleared up a lot of the confusion surrounding the Manoah situation to the point where it's pretty easy to infer what's going on at this point.

Quote from BNS yesterday: "My understanding is Manoah's going to have some further testing done, that's going to happen sometime soon. Manoah has reported some physical symptoms related to his quad, back and knee and wants to get those checked out, and it sounds like the Blue Jays are on board with him getting those things checked out. But at this point no injury has been found, and Manoah is going to continue visiting specialists and see where that leads."

Before I continued listening to this BNS segment, my first thought immediately was "Manoah is just trying to find a specialist who will diagnose him with an injury so he can go on the IL and continue collecting major league pay and service time instead of grinding it out on that minors salary."

The very next part of the segment, Blake Murphy wonders why Manoah's camp hasn't pushed back against the Jays not putting him on IL if he's still reporting physical symptoms. BNS responds with "I'm not sure why you would assume that hasn't happened, I would think that it probably has happened already."

The Manoah mystery is over everyone. Manoah thinks he's too good to be grinding it out in the minors, is seeking out a specialist that is willing to diagnose him with something and is having trouble (because he isn't actually hurt he just thinks he's too good for the minors), and the Jays are challenging him to find a specialist who will say he's injured while they continue to (rightfully) play hardball with placing him on IL.
 
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Man Devis is such a breath of fresh air. So far he has been the offensive help the Jays needed. Did not check the offensive stats but i'm sure the numbers are way better with him in the lineup versus him outside the lineup. He should play most games i mean just rotate the other players give some break to Varsho, KK and Merrifield.


It's over bro. Goddammit Gaus what did you do?
 

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Came across this post on another board, and it seems to be a major Manoah update that no one is really talking about. I'll copy and paste it since I haven't seen it posted here:
Manoah is turning into a massive headache. He probably has knee and back pain because he’s overweight. Trying to get a doctor to diagnose you with an injury when you don’t have one seems super petty and pathetic
 

phillipmike

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I said it before and I really think it is true...while having no way to back it up. I honestly don't think Frasso would have been getting the love he has gotten this year if he was performing in the Jays system rather then the Dodgers system. It felt like people were over looking fairly surface level issues with him and just going inflating the new prospect in the Dodgers system that throws hard.

100%. Believe it or not, Mitch White was a top 100 prospect. Dodgers are the new Yankees when it comes to prospect inflation by industry sources.
 

cyris

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To be fair, they had the best rotation in baseball entering the season and have since lost 3/5 of them to TJ

They still have Glasnow, who is elite, and Eflin has been a solid #2. Gets a bit dicey after that for sure, albeit not a complete disaster
And they lost maybe their best position player to him allegedly being a complete scumbag.
It’s honestly kind of impressive that they have been able to hold their spot at the top of the wildcard race with all that has gone there.
 
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