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This Texas free fall is something else. I think we all expected some regression, especially with their pitching, but damn.

Eovaldi came back and sat at 94 last night and now Scherzer got absolutely rocked tonight.
 
Seath The Scaleless said:
This Texas free fall is something else. I think we all expected some regression, especially with their pitching, but damn.

Eovaldi came back and sat at 94 last night and now Scherzer got absolutely rocked tonight.
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I'm optimistic but it's not over yet - if they win our series we could be in trouble.
 
kb said:
Your weekly reminder that the Blue Jays butchered the Mitch White trade last year
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People are just surface-level analyzing Frasso.

He has just 6 strikeouts over 11.2 IP in AAA. He isn't "dominating". Furthermore, now that he's up to AAA his Statcast start data is all up on Savant:

Start #1:
- Sat pretty much 92-94mph. Threw 10 pitches over 95mph and topped out at 97.
- Looking at the pitch by pitch tracking, his velocity dropped after about ~35 pitches. His fastball was mainly averaging 92-93 from pitch ~#35-#80.
- Average FB velocity: 93.8 mph
- He had just 5 whiffs on a total of 80 pitches. His fastball in particular only had 1 whiff on 51 pitches.
- 29% CSW% (okay)

Start #2:
- Pretty much the same thing as above, he sat 94-96 and hit 97 in the first ~25 pitches and then immediately dropped to 93-94 and then ~92 mph from pitch #60-80.
- Average FB velocity: 93.7 mph
- 8 pitches over 95.0 mph (86 total pitches thrown).
- 7 whiffs on 86 pitches thrown.
- 21% CSW% (poor)

His velocity is clearly down as he used to hit 99+ mph back when he was with the Jays whereas he is now topping out at 97 and averaging well below that. Furthermore, he has no ability to hold his velocity whatsoever. As he gets to 50+ pitches he is throwing a LOT of ~91-93 mph fastballs.

He will make the MLB, but he's done nothing to shake the reliever tag - most notably the fact that his stuff simply doesn't seem to pop over a starter's workload. How many bats he is missing will be something to track in AAA because the two start sample (obv. small) isn't impressive.
 
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metafour said:
People are just surface-level analyzing Frasso.

He has just 6 strikeouts over 11.2 IP in AAA. He isn't "dominating". Furthermore, now that he's up to AAA his Statcast start data is all up on Savant:

Start #1:
- Sat pretty much 92-94mph. Threw 10 pitches over 95mph and topped out at 97.
- Looking at the pitch by pitch tracking, his velocity dropped after about ~35 pitches. His fastball was mainly averaging 92-93 from pitch ~#35-#80.
- Average FB velocity: 93.8 mph
- He had just 5 whiffs on a total of 80 pitches. His fastball in particular only had 1 whiff on 51 pitches.
- 29% CSW% (okay)

Start #2:
- Pretty much the same thing as above, he sat 94-96 and hit 97 in the first ~25 pitches and then immediately dropped to 93-94 and then ~92 mph from pitch #60-80.
- Average FB velocity: 93.7 mph
- 8 pitches over 95.0 mph (86 total pitches thrown).
- 7 whiffs on 86 pitches thrown.
- 21% CSW% (poor)

His velocity is clearly down as he used to hit 99+ mph back when he was with the Jays whereas he is now topping out at 97 and averaging well below that. Furthermore, he has no ability to hold his velocity whatsoever. As he gets to 50+ pitches he is throwing a LOT of ~91-93 mph fastballs.

He will make the MLB, but he's done nothing to shake the reliever tag - most notably the fact that his stuff simply doesn't seem to pop over a starter's workload. How many bats he is missing will be something to track in AAA because the two start sample (obv. small) isn't impressive.
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Excellent post.
 
Only saw Manoah pitch once this season and his slider looked totally flat. Velocity was down just slightly. Lack of deep arsenal basically eliminated working around that like other pitchers can. Wouldn't surprise me that weight might be a factor as suggested here. Would explain how they've handled him. But 40 lbs could take into the offseason.
 
Suntouchable13 said:
Man, I hope DS is the real deal. Can you imagine we get a legit superstar out of him? 7 homers already, that's legit. And the guy seems smart. Makes adjustments right away to what pitchers are doing to him.
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Dan Uggla might be a realistic 'best-case' comparison for him. There is a lot right now about his profile that will obviously regress. He is whiffing a lot and taking a lot of called-strikes, but he also has an elite chase rate which has allowed him so far to be ultra-selective and zoned in to looking for fastballs in his wheelhouse.

The next adjustment from opposing teams will likely be to stop throwing him fastballs and feeding him breaking balls down and away.
 
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metafour said:
Dan Uggla might be a realistic 'best-case' comparison for him. There is a lot right now about his profile that will obviously regress. He is whiffing a lot and taking a lot of called-strikes, but he also has an elite chase rate which has allowed him so far to be ultra-selective and zoned in to looking for fastballs in his wheelhouse.

The next adjustment from opposing teams will likely be to stop throwing him fastballs and feeding him breaking balls down and away.
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Yea, I see what you’re saying. Nevertheless, it is exciting what the call ups from Buffalo have done so far. Of course, DS is not going to hit .391 and have an OPS+ above 200 in a full season but the power seems legitimate. It’s exciting to have a guy like that come out of nowhere.
 
Suntouchable13 said:
Man, I hope DS is the real deal. Can you imagine we get a legit superstar out of him? 7 homers already, that's legit. And the guy seems smart. Makes adjustments right away to what pitchers are doing to him.
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I think as a decent mlb player he's the real deal. Jays would be dumb to not consider him as part of the lineup for next season imo. I like Merrifield but he's not getting younger and i think his contract end this season? Now can Devis be one of the best at his position time will tell./p>
 
Kurtz said:
A guy that size can probably lose 40 pounds in a month if he put his mind to it. Intermittent fasting would do it, if he has the discipline. Or just start taking Ozempic if he doesn't.
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Took me 6 months to lose 30-35 pounds and I am 6ft5 too .. it was freakin hard man especially in my late 50s .. no bread .. no pop .. limited sugar .. no snacks .. no desert .. lots of hunger pains to overcome with water .. i hope nothing but best for him .. we can't lose an ACE with insane stuff due to FATNESS
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Took me 6 months to lose 30-35 pounds and I am 6ft5 too .. it was freakin hard man especially in my late 50s .. no bread .. no pop .. limited sugar .. no snacks .. no desert .. lots of hunger pains to overcome with water .. i hope nothing but best for him .. we can't lose an ACE with insane stuff due to FATNESS
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For a guy like him, who still needs his strength, he shouldn't lose more than a pound a week
 
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metafour said:
People are just surface-level analyzing Frasso.

He has just 6 strikeouts over 11.2 IP in AAA. He isn't "dominating". Furthermore, now that he's up to AAA his Statcast start data is all up on Savant:

Start #1:
- Sat pretty much 92-94mph. Threw 10 pitches over 95mph and topped out at 97.
- Looking at the pitch by pitch tracking, his velocity dropped after about ~35 pitches. His fastball was mainly averaging 92-93 from pitch ~#35-#80.
- Average FB velocity: 93.8 mph
- He had just 5 whiffs on a total of 80 pitches. His fastball in particular only had 1 whiff on 51 pitches.
- 29% CSW% (okay)

Start #2:
- Pretty much the same thing as above, he sat 94-96 and hit 97 in the first ~25 pitches and then immediately dropped to 93-94 and then ~92 mph from pitch #60-80.
- Average FB velocity: 93.7 mph
- 8 pitches over 95.0 mph (86 total pitches thrown).
- 7 whiffs on 86 pitches thrown.
- 21% CSW% (poor)

His velocity is clearly down as he used to hit 99+ mph back when he was with the Jays whereas he is now topping out at 97 and averaging well below that. Furthermore, he has no ability to hold his velocity whatsoever. As he gets to 50+ pitches he is throwing a LOT of ~91-93 mph fastballs.

He will make the MLB, but he's done nothing to shake the reliever tag - most notably the fact that his stuff simply doesn't seem to pop over a starter's workload. How many bats he is missing will be something to track in AAA because the two start sample (obv. small) isn't impressive.
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Great post. Worth noting Frasso's average FB velo is 93.8 in AAA and White's is 93.8 in MLB this year. Mitch White is 28 and Frasso is turning 25 in 6 weeks. The shine is gone imo unless the velo comes back.

Shouldnt be forgotten that we got Alex DeJesus back too;

21 years old
A+
.248 BA
.349 OBP
.466 SLG

Fielding sucks but arm is great so maybe could play a corner OF. He will be in AA next year which will be a big year for him.
 
Suntouchable13 said:
Man, I hope DS is the real deal. Can you imagine we get a legit superstar out of him? 7 homers already, that's legit. And the guy seems smart. Makes adjustments right away to what pitchers are doing to him.
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Superstar is a big word and a lot to ask out of Schneider. I would be happy for a Brandon Lowe type player :D. But even adding an .800-.850 OPS 2B would be massive for this franchise. We haven’t gotten very good production out of 2B since Semien left. And Whit has been struggling recently.
 
metafour said:
Dan Uggla might be a realistic 'best-case' comparison for him. There is a lot right now about his profile that will obviously regress. He is whiffing a lot and taking a lot of called-strikes, but he also has an elite chase rate which has allowed him so far to be ultra-selective and zoned in to looking for fastballs in his wheelhouse.

The next adjustment from opposing teams will likely be to stop throwing him fastballs and feeding him breaking balls down and away.
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Yeah, there is a lot of swing-and-miss in Schneider's game and teams are going to start building scouting reports on him and that's when sink-or-swim time will hit. Right now he's taken everyone by surprise as a guy who was playing A-ball barely more than a year ago. Plus the .500 BABIP is not going to last.

Uggla is probably an excellent example of a realistic upside as a shorter 2B who had lots of power/walks but also lots of Ks/low average. But was a very solid MLB player for about 5 years.
 
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Man, I hope DS is the real deal. Can you imagine we get a legit superstar out of him? 7 homers already, that's legit. And the guy seems smart. Makes adjustments right away to what pitchers are doing to him.
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He’s the guy that becomes an instant fan favourite. Blue collar guy that worked hard for his chance. Got help him if he ever shaves that musta he though.

metafour said:
Dan Uggla might be a realistic 'best-case' comparison for him. There is a lot right now about his profile that will obviously regress. He is whiffing a lot and taking a lot of called-strikes, but he also has an elite chase rate which has allowed him so far to be ultra-selective and zoned in to looking for fastballs in his wheelhouse.

The next adjustment from opposing teams will likely be to stop throwing him fastballs and feeding him breaking balls down and away.
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The old Vladdy treatment
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Took me 6 months to lose 30-35 pounds and I am 6ft5 too .. it was freakin hard man especially in my late 50s .. no bread .. no pop .. limited sugar .. no snacks .. no desert .. lots of hunger pains to overcome with water .. i hope nothing but best for him .. we can't lose an ACE with insane stuff due to FATNESS
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Huge difference though losing at your age compared to his. Especially considering he has all the resources around him to help make him successful. Things you have no exposure to. Like part of his job is training and staying in shape.
 
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