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tmlms13 said:
Manager got ejected arguing balls and strikes in a game with robot umps. Crowd booed the umpire for calling pitches balls with the ABS.
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Yeah, some managers and most fans are really dumb. Robo-umps wouldn't be a perfect system, it would just be a much better system.
 
tmlms13 said:
My point was about the trickle down to youth sports. There is a massive shortage of officials in every sport. Broadcasters don't know the rules get mad at umpires when they are doing their job correctly. Athletes whine about one thing that doesn't go their way. Aren't athletes supposed to be Role Models? Yell f*** You Umpire if something doesn't go your way. Great Job!

The little league parents, coaches, players etc all watch them and think it's okay to treat the 15 year old who's umpiring for the first time in his life the same as what they see on TV. It's getting ridiculous. Why would any teenager want to stick around? Most of the little league umpires are all older guys who have been around for decades and the game workload is insane because there is no one else available. I probably do 150 games a year. There is like zero influx of new umpires. Games that get cancelled because there aren't enough umpires. TBall has completely gotten rid of umpires and Houseleague has changed the rules so that official games can be played with Parents and Coaches being the umpire.

The Phil Nevin post game thing where he had to be restrained post-game actually happened to me at a u16 game. A Coach, Parent, 2 players cornered me after the game in the parking lot. But I didn't have security guards to get rid of them. Gave me a 15 minute lecture about how I should let players swear at me because that is just how they talk. Kid said "f*** you that's f***ing Bullshit" 6 inches in front of my nose and I ejected him. Do you think I should have let him say that and just ignore it?

Can I laugh and say you f***ing suck every time a batter swings at a pitch that bounces? Being a sports official is actually a really tough job It is the only job in the world where people expect perfection and expect you to get better at the same time. The tiniest mistake (if it even was a mistake) people are (sort of) permitted to yell and scream at you. Have you ever seen a player or manager in a post game say I looked up the rule or watched the replay after the game, the umpire was right, and apologize to the umpire?

I assume you've never been to an umpire clinic or read the umpire manuals. Most ejections come from words or actions where umpires have been given specific instructions to eject immediately. There is a right way to argue and voice your opinion. You don't need to scream obscenities like a whiny little bitch to make your point.

I can't believe I just typed out that rant. You can have the last word I'm not replying



AAA has a challenge system like in tennis for some games. In other games the use the Automatic Ball/Strike system which still has some bad kinks too.

If you watch the TV boxes super close they aren't actually consistent to the real strike zone either. When Phil Nevin tried to attack the umpires in Toronto after the game that is a perfect example. The AppleTV Box didn't put the pitch location in the correct spot. And I assume Nevin only saw AppleTV version. The umpire actually got the pitch correct but the TV Box was off so Nevin thought it was a ball.
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There is a line set in stone in MLB. If someone argues balls and strikes they are supposed to be ejected immediately. If they question where pitches are, that is getting information.

We dont like the Springer ejection but if the umpire interpreted Springer's hand motion as "that was low", he has to eject him.
 
Bjindaho said:
There is a line set in stone in MLB. If someone argues balls and strikes they are supposed to be ejected immediately. If they question where pitches are, that is getting information.

We dont like the Springer ejection but if the umpire interpreted Springer's hand motion as "that was low", he has to eject him.
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If that were the actual standard for ejection that they followed, there would be multiple ejections every inning.
 
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Discoverer said:
If that were the actual standard for ejection that they followed, there would be multiple ejections every inning.
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It depends on the umpires' interpretation. You can't visibly say that the umpire was wrong on a ball/strike call. Most umpires are fine with players talking to themselves.
 
Bjindaho said:
It depends on the umpires' interpretation. You can't visibly say that the umpire was wrong on a ball/strike call. Most umpires are fine with players talking to themselves.
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Springer was ejected after he turned back to the ump and was walking away, talking to himself. That’s bullshit. The ump didn’t throw him out right away, he let the first argument slide. So why is he tossing after he is walking away, mainly talking to himself then?
 
Suntouchable13 said:
Springer was ejected after he turned back to the ump and was walking away, talking to himself. That’s bullshit. The ump didn’t throw him out right away, he let the first argument slide. So why is he tossing after he is walking away, mainly talking to himself then?
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My interpretation is that the umpire took Springers hand motion as him publicly saying that the ump was wrong. I'm not arguing right or wrong, but that was my interpretation of why Springer got tossed.
 
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Here is another example of how we live in a very small world as Disney song goes .. down to Connecticut to visit wifey family .. at Skippers in Niantic on ocean eating cod with wifey bro and families and his old buddy from East Lyme High Matty Walker, bro of Pete Walker, jays pitching coach comes in .. wifey, bro and Matty and Matty's wife start chatting up old names and times at each others houses from years past .. eventually Toronto comes up after many Sammy Adams and they are coming up to visit mid September for Jays v Red sox series .. all of them are huge Red sox fans to da core .. me i like both teams .. anywho i ask matty about jays pitching and who they got coming up .. he says while LOL while they should have Manoah but he loves his Doritos and up over 40 pounds and can't turn like he used too .. maybe next year he will figure it out .. LOL just a big kid with tons of raw skill .. i say while up in TO everyone says his problem is pitching technique .. he starts LOLing again .. just goes to show another example where our media reporters are pretty much useless or they are all bought off as everyone works for Rogers .. either way fans get sold land in da everglades up here
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Here is another example of how we live in a very small world as Disney song goes .. down to Connecticut to visit wifey family .. at Skippers in Niantic on ocean eating cod with wifey bro and families and his old buddy from East Lyme High Matty Walker, bro of Pete Walker, jays pitching coach comes in .. wifey, bro and Matty and Matty's wife start chatting up old names and times at each others houses from years past .. eventually Toronto comes up after many Sammy Adams and they are coming up to visit mid September for Jays v Red sox series .. all of them are huge Red sox fans to da core .. me i like both teams .. anywho i ask matty about jays pitching and who they got coming up .. he says while LOL while they should have Manoah but he loves his Doritos and up over 40 pounds and can't turn like he used too .. maybe next year he will figure it out .. LOL just a big kid with tons of raw skill .. i say while up in TO everyone says his problem is pitching technique .. he starts LOLing again .. just goes to show another example where our media reporters are pretty much useless or they are all bought off as everyone works for Rogers .. either way fans get sold land in da everglades up here
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Was gonna call bs but he said “he loves his Doritos”. Ain’t no way he’s brand dropping unless it’s true.

And how is pitching technique not an accurate assessment? Adding/losing significant weight can be detrimental to your mechanics and rhythm.
 
Eyedea said:
Was gonna call bs but he said “he loves his Doritos”. Ain’t no way he’s brand dropping unless it’s true.

And how is pitching technique not an accurate assessment? Adding/losing significant weight can be detrimental to your mechanics and rhythm.
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His adjectives were not kind but supposedly a very immature kid still .. but loads of raw talent and time still to grow up
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Here is another example of how we live in a very small world as Disney song goes .. down to Connecticut to visit wifey family .. at Skippers in Niantic on ocean eating cod with wifey bro and families and his old buddy from East Lyme High Matty Walker, bro of Pete Walker, jays pitching coach comes in .. wifey, bro and Matty and Matty's wife start chatting up old names and times at each others houses from years past .. eventually Toronto comes up after many Sammy Adams and they are coming up to visit mid September for Jays v Red sox series .. all of them are huge Red sox fans to da core .. me i like both teams .. anywho i ask matty about jays pitching and who they got coming up .. he says while LOL while they should have Manoah but he loves his Doritos and up over 40 pounds and can't turn like he used too .. maybe next year he will figure it out .. LOL just a big kid with tons of raw skill .. i say while up in TO everyone says his problem is pitching technique .. he starts LOLing again .. just goes to show another example where our media reporters are pretty much useless or they are all bought off as everyone works for Rogers .. either way fans get sold land in da everglades up here
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Wouldn't the bolded be a direct example of how Manoah being a fat slob is negatively affecting his pitching technique/mechanics?
 
tmlfan98 said:
Wouldn't the bolded be a direct example of how Manoah being a fat slob is negatively affecting his pitching technique/mechanics?
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I guess so I don't know enough of baseball .. all i hear from all these guys that do is how he has a very live arm .. whatever da h*ll that is
 
Discoverer said:
They have the technology to call balls and strikes, but they can't do the rest of the stuff in real time. They'll still need umps, they should just incorporate technology into it like they have in the minors and then work at improving it over time.
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The rest of the stuff that you mentioned, can be easily created, balls that have nano-tech GPS in them that would allow us to determine foul balls, balls that hit the ground before they are caught. bases/ball gloves that can determine if the players foot was on the base before the ball hit the players glove. It;s astounding how far AI / Tech has come in the last 3 years. There is not a single sport in North America that needs ref's/umpires, it can all be automated.

 
With Richards close to returning and Green likely not far behind, do the Jays have the deepest pen in baseball? I probably would've put Seattle right there with them if they still had Sewald.
 
Eyedea said:
With Richards close to returning and Green likely not far behind, do the Jays have the deepest pen in baseball? I probably would've put Seattle right there with them if they still had Sewald.
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Green can't come back until early September now sadly.
 
Bohemian Waxwing said:
Green can't come back until early September now sadly.
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This is not correct. He's been on the 60 day DL for plenty long enough. He is allowed to come back as early as tonight if he were here and ready. There was a technical thing with his rehab assignments where your rehab assignment for an injury has to end after 30 days maximum(there's no minimum). He was approaching that but then had the head injury during his rehab assignment in Buffalo. Since that's a new injury it reset the rehab clock to 0 which will start once he pitches in another minor league game, but again because there's no minimum. He can end that rehab assignment and return to the majors whenever he's ready which is theory is allowed to be tonight even if they deemed he didn't need another rehab appearance and thought he was already ready.

On another note, how many times has Nate been optioned this year? Feels like it's getting close to the limit of 5. Once to start the year, once a couple weeks ago, once now. Was there another one in there?
 
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