Blue Jays Discussion: The official Danny Jackson Appreciation Society

[canucksfan]

They're talking about that right now on the FAN 590. It seems their GM views 6 years of control for a young player to be worth more than a couple of years than a veteran. At least according to the Os reporter from the Baltimore Sun that they were talking to.

They have excellent prospect depth. Their lineup is fine, but they really could use another starter, especially a front-line starter. The majority of their rotation is close to an individual record for innings pitched. Good chance a few of them start to decline.

Even Cano in their bullpen has struggled recently.

When you can, a team should go for it. I am okay if they stand put though.

 

[theaub]

The thing with Baltimore is they literally have too many good hitting prospects. So two issues - #1 is there a better time to go for it then when you have the best record in the AL, and #2 if you don't then at a certain point you're going to run into a similar issue that the Jays had with catchers where the market gets a bit depressed because teams know you need to move off a guy.

 

[canucksfan]

The thing with Baltimore is they literally have too many good hitting prospects. So two issues - #1 is there a better time to go for it then when you have the best record in the AL, and #2 if you don't then at a certain point you're going to run into a similar issue that the Jays had with catchers where the market gets a bit depressed because teams know you need to move off a guy.

And who knows what happens next season. An injury to a key player or a few guys regress.

Verlander likely didn't want to go to Baltimore but there have been other options. Still a few hours left though.

 

[phillipmike]

Mets killing the deadline. Great returns on Max and Verlander. Save some money and can throw money at younger players like Ohtani and Urias while getting some elite prospects back. Masterful work

 

[MS]

The thing with Baltimore is they literally have too many good hitting prospects. So two issues - #1 is there a better time to go for it then when you have the best record in the AL, and #2 if you don't then at a certain point you're going to run into a similar issue that the Jays had with catchers where the market gets a bit depressed because teams know you need to move off a guy.

And who knows what happens next season. An injury to a key player or a few guys regress.

Verlander likely didn't want to go to Baltimore but there have been other options. Still a few hours left though.

Baltimore appears to be making the same mistake we made in 2021 when we turned the corner a year earlier than expected and then went too soft on trying to put that team over the top because the thought was that upcoming years would be better yet. And as we've seen, that isn't necessarily the case.

 

[LaP]

Baltimore appears to be making the same mistake we made in 2021 when we turned the corner a year earlier than expected and then went too soft on trying to put that team over the top because the thought was that upcoming years would be better yet. And as we've seen, that isn't necessarily the case.

Marc Bergevin did the same mistake as the GM of CH. Team had success faster than predicted with Subban, Price and Pacioretty and Bergevin decided to sit on his other prospects and be patient. None of them developed as expected expect Gallagher and after 4 years he was stuck with a whole bunch of nothing and and a core rapidly getting close to 30 and no cheap contracts left. Had he paid the price for ROR who knows what would have happened it would have been such a huge upgrade over David Desharnais. It's good to be patient but at one point you have to be all in.

 

[trellaine201]

Houston and Baltimore are the teams to beat IMO

 

[canucksfan]

Baltimore appears to be making the same mistake we made in 2021 when we turned the corner a year earlier than expected and then went too soft on trying to put that team over the top because the thought was that upcoming years would be better yet. And as we've seen, that isn't necessarily the case.

One thing to keep in mind, the O's are pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot and the Jays were much further away.

 

[theaub]

The 2021 Jays were the 8th best team in the AL at the trade deadline. Very different situation.

 

[Vector]

 

[MS]

One thing to keep in mind, the O's are pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot and the Jays were much farther away.

Fair enough, but the team's whole attitude that year was just not intense enough. It seemed like everyone from management to the coaches to the players were just thinking 'oh, this is nice' instead of realizing that they had one of the better teams in baseball and all the things that went right that year might not repeat.

If Baltimore doesn't move for a starter, yeah it's even moreso.

 

[canucksfan]

Fair enough, but the team's whole attitude that year was just not intense enough. It seemed like everyone from management to the coaches to the players were just thinking 'oh, this is nice' instead of realizing that they had one of the better teams in baseball and all the things that went right that year might not repeat.

If Baltimore doesn't move for a starter, yeah it's even moreso.

They did get Berrios

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[theaub]

They did get Berrios

And Hand (who had the worst month of his career sadly) - as well as adding Pop/Cimber earlier in the year.

Even with all of that the Jays were 69-62 at the end of August and 8th in the AL. If anything I would say that Atkins + Co were optimistic about their chances that year.

 

[canucksfan]

And Hand (who had the worst month of his career sadly) - as well as adding Pop/Cimber earlier in the year.

Even with all of that the Jays were 69-62 at the end of August and 8th in the AL. If anything I would say that Atkins + Co were optimistic about their chances that year.

Pop was last year.

But ya they did make moves to improve the team. Likely could have done some more moves to improve the bullpen but they didn't stand pat despite not being in a playoff spot.

On another note, Espinal had a .781 OPS that year!

 

[red devil]

 

[canucksfan]

Houston and Baltimore are the teams to beat IMO

If the O's don't improve their rotation, I think they falter in the playoffs.

 

[LaP]

If the O's don't improve their rotation, I think they falter in the playoffs.

What are you talking about they had Bob Gibson starting yesterday

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Suntouchable13]

For some people, the grass is always greener on the other side. Like it can’t be that Toronto Blue Jays are one of the best teams in the league. Houston has almost the identical record with Toronto. Baltimore maybe 6.5 games ahead, but the run differential and other stats are almost identical with Toronto. Yet those teams are so amazing, while Toronto is no good.

 

[theaub]

Eh I can't blame anyone for being pessimistic on a team that playing .250 ball in the division.

And basically every loss in July except the Manoah blow up against the Padres was a brutal loss. Which probably bodes well for some regression in the future but still.

 

[Discoverer]

Eh I can't blame anyone for being pessimistic on a team that playing .250 ball in the division.

And basically every loss in July except the Manoah blow up against the Padres was a brutal loss. Which probably bodes well for some regression in the future but still.

They've sucked against two teams.

 

[trellaine201]

The only positive thing regarding the Jays offence is it can only get better!

 

[Suntouchable13]

Eh I can't blame anyone for being pessimistic on a team that playing .250 ball in the division.

And basically every loss in July except the Manoah blow up against the Padres was a brutal loss. Which probably bodes well for some regression in the future but still.

Meh, and the 1-13 against Baltimore and Boston doesn’t bode well for a regression to the mean? This team is playing .620 ball against everybody else. 3-4 against TB, and 3-4 against NYY is not that horrible either.

 

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