The Official 2023 Hall of Fame Ballot - Update: Scott Rolen the only one going to the HOF

[Vamos Rafa]

Surprised that Helton is still not in. Yeah he had the Coors inflated numbers but he was still a beast on the road in his prime. But I guess he aged horribly after age 30. He was on pace to be a 500 home run hitter but after 2003 when he turned 30, he lost his power by a ton. Only two 20-home run seasons (one of them being a 30-home run season). He went from a left-handed Albert Pujols to a Mark Grace, who wasn’t a bad hitter but not HOF material.

 

[Terry Yake]

No way is Beltran getting in.

maybe not next year, but he will eventually

 

[Cas]

Surprised that Helton is still not in. Yeah he had the Coors inflated numbers but he was still a beast on the road in his prime. But I guess he aged horribly after age 30. He was on pace to be a 500 home run hitter but after 2003 when he turned 30, he lost his power by a ton. Only two 20-home run seasons (one of them being a 30-home run season). He went from a right-handed Albert Pujols to a Mark Grace, who wasn’t a bad hitter but not HOF material.

For a player with his overall resume, his HOF path really isn't that unusual. He's a first baseman with 350+ home runs, 1400+ RBI, and a .315+ batting average, pretty superficially similar to Johnny Mize (who was a Veteran's Committee selection) and Hank Greenberg (who took ten elections to get in). Helton has had four elections so far and has made it to 50%+.

 

[Halladay]

maybe not next year, but he will eventually

Im not too sure with the scandal hanging over him. They didnt let Bonds in or Clemens. It will be a very long time for Beltran.

 

[yada]

I bet at least half of the players in the hhof cheated at one point or another. Players from the 50s and 60s were notorious for taking greenies which is basically steroids.

The baseball hall of fame is a complete joke though. I won't even consider it to be a legit hall of fame as long as Bonds and Clemens aren't in.

Well find out in december if bonds or clemens gets inducted. I certainly hope so

 

[Say Hey Kid]

6 reasons Todd Helton belongs in the Hall

Todd Helton has been trending in the right direction over the first four years of his eligibility on the Baseball Writers' Association of America's Hall of Fame ballot. Last year, he garnered 52 percent of the vote, with 75 percent needed for election and enshrinement in Cooperstown. As he seeks

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Less than 8k ABs is not enough for me.

 

[Cas]

6 reasons Todd Helton belongs in the Hall

Todd Helton has been trending in the right direction over the first four years of his eligibility on the Baseball Writers' Association of America's Hall of Fame ballot. Last year, he garnered 52 percent of the vote, with 75 percent needed for election and enshrinement in Cooperstown. As he seeks

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Less than 8k ABs is not enough for me.

9453 plate appearances ranks #125 all-time. There are plenty of absolutely deserving Hall of Famers below that total. The average Hall of Fame batter has 8735 plate appearances.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

Tomase: HoF ballot reveals why I've finally surrendered to the Steroid Era

The results for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame class will be unveiled next month. John Tomase shares his ballot, which takes a different approach to the PED-era candidates.

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[John Price]

bump for announcement in 7 minutes

 

[John Price]

2023 Class:

"integrity"

1 new member! Who is it??

Scott Rolen. Congrats bud.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Does he go in with the Phillies hat (where it ended in bitter fashion IIRC) or the Cardinals hat? He played more games with PHI.

Pretty crazy how few guys are getting into the HOF nowadays.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

2023 Class: "integrity" 1 new member! Who is it?? Scott Rolen. Congrats bud.

3B Scott Rolen (76.3% of vote) elected to 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame class. Todd Helton (72.2%) next closest.

 

[Terry Yake]

oh look, the BBHOF is still a joke. what a shock

rolen is very much deserving, but with the way they're refusing to induct guys these days we're probably only going to have one guy get in every year. anyways, i think he goes in with a cardinals hat

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

oh look, the BBHOF is still a joke. what a shock

rolen is very much deserving, but with the way they're refusing to induct guys these days we're probably only going to have one guy get in every year. anyways, i think he goes in with a cardinals hat

Helton probably gets in next year, maybe Wagner too. Beltre should be a lock.

Beltran might get a sizable jump as well. "Not first ballot" + the Astros scandal probably dinged him in year 1.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Helton fell like 3 percent short.

He definitely gets in next year. As he should.

Helton, Beltre (zero chance he shouldn't be a first ballot guy) and maybe Wagner for next year.

 

[Voight]

oh look, the BBHOF is still a joke. what a shock

rolen is very much deserving, but with the way they're refusing to induct guys these days we're probably only going to have one guy get in every year. anyways, i think he goes in with a cardinals hat

Agreed. Played 200 more games with the Phillies but he had his best years as a Card and won his sole title there. Also FWIW every article I've read about him lately (running up to the announcement today) has the accompanying picture of him with the Cardinal.

 

[Fenway]

Player	Votes	Percent	Years on ballot
Scott Rolen	297	76.3	6
Todd Helton	281	72.2	5
Billy Wagner	265	68.1	8
Andruw Jones	226	58.1	6
Gary Sheffield	214	55	9
Carlos Beltran	181	46.5	1
Jeff Kent	181	46.5	10
Alex Rodriguez	139	35.7	2
Manny Ramirez	129	33.2	7
Omar Vizquel	76	19.5	6
Andy Pettitte	66	17	5
Bobby Abreu	60	15.4	4
Jimmy Rollins	50	12.9	2
Mark Buehrle	42	10.8	3
Francisco Rodriguez	42	10.8	1
Torii Hunter	27	6.9	3
Bronson Arroyo	1	0.3	1
R.A. Dickey	1	0.3	1
John Lackey	1	0.3	1
Mike Napoli	1	0.3	1
Huston Street	1	0.3	1
Matt Cain	0	0	1
Jacoby Ellsbury	0	0	1
Andre Ethier	0	0	1
J.J. Hardy	0	0	1
Jhonny Peralta	0	0	1
Jered Weaver	0	0	1
Jayson Werth	0	0	1

 

[Voight]

Helton fell like 3 percent short.

He definitely gets in next year. As he should.

Helton, Beltre (zero chance he shouldn't be a first ballot guy) and maybe Wagner for next year.

Yea, Walker getting in finally opened the door for him, the Coors Field bias died down.

Sheffield hopefully gets the call as well. Would be cool if he went in with a Marlins cap; would be the first player to do so.

Also, Beltre would be the 3rd guy with a Ranger cap - only the 2nd after Pudge who spent the majority of their career with the team/had their best years.

 

[GKJ]

This will be an interesting scenario considering the dude was f***ing despised surrounding the events of his departure. To my knowledge he’s made no attempts to assimilate himself with the alumni and thus the city. Can’t just walk back through the door here without making good.

 

[EpochLink]

Ya'll remind me again why Rolen was ousted from Philadelphia? I vaguely remember the issues though, he was a stellar Cardinals player so I believe he will go into the HOF with a Cards cap.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Sorry, but in what world is Scott Rolen a HOF'er but Andruw Jones isnt?

Nothing about Rolen's career screams Hall of Fame except his 8 Gold Gloves, Jones has 10

Yeah its not exact, but the baseball reference HOF monitor for them:

Metric	Rolen	Jones
Black Ink	0	10
Gray Ink	27	47
HOF Monitor	99	109
HOF Standards	40	34
WAR	70.1	62.7
6 yr peak WAR	43.6	46.4
WAR per 162 games	5.6	4.6

 

[GKJ]

Ya'll remind me again why Rolen was ousted from Philadelphia? I vaguely remember the issues though, he was a stellar Cardinals player so I believe he will go into the HOF with a Cards cap.

In short terms he hated it here, hated Larry Bowa, hated management (with good reason), hated the city, and then he went and called St. Louis “baseball heaven.” I think there was a day he asked to not play on a day where the stadium did a t-shirt promotion (Francona was manager at that time).

That’s not to say Philadelphia wasn’t a shitty baseball town because it was, but the perception is very much was that he quit on the franchise as he was supposed to be the first piece to the turnaround. The city will forgive you if you come back and show up and make an effort like Lindros did. Even Terrell Owens. The team does a lot with having their alumni visible, and I don’t recall him ever being part of that.

 

[Cas]

Sorry, but in what world is Scott Rolen a HOF'er but Andruw Jones isnt?

Nothing about Rolen's career screams Hall of Fame except his 8 Gold Gloves, Jones has 10

Yeah its not exact, but the baseball reference HOF monitor for them:

Metric	Rolen	Jones
Black Ink	0	10
Gray Ink	27	47
HOF Monitor	99	109
HOF Standards	40	34
WAR	70.1	62.7
6 yr peak WAR	43.6	46.4
WAR per 162 games	5.6	4.6

I have them very close to each other and both clearly (but not hugely) over the line.

I suspect the difference in voting results lay in Jones' later career being seen as a total disappointment (his last season as a full-time starter was when he was 30), combined with his lower batting average (.254). Both are pretty meaningless - a player cannot play their way out of the Hall of Fame, and the writers should know better than to take batting average at face value.

Rolen really does belong, though - he was an excellent defensive third baseman, a good hitter, had a sizable career (third base is not actually a position players tend to have extremely long careers at), good prime, and a very high peak season. Hall of Fame Monitor is really kind of a joke stat - it was invented almost 40 years ago as a way to quickly dismiss names that were often proposed with hardly any justification for induction (like Babe Herman, Doc Cramer, or Roger Peckinpaugh).

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Well deserved. Always loved Rolen as a player. He should go in as a Phil but I have a feeling it’ll be a STL cap

 

[EpochLink]

In short terms he hated it here, hated Larry Bowa, hated management (with good reason), hated the city, and then he went and called St. Louis “baseball heaven.” I think there was a day he asked to not play on a day where the stadium did a t-shirt promotion (Francona was manager at that time).

That’s not to say Philadelphia wasn’t a shitty baseball town because it was, but the perception is very much was that he quit on the franchise as he was supposed to be the first piece to the turnaround. The city will forgive you if you come back and show up and make an effort like Lindros did. Even Terrell Owens. The team does a lot with having their alumni visible, and I don’t recall him ever being part of that.

Gotta wonder the what if's for Rolen if he did stay. The Phillies were building something in the mid to late 2000's with Howard, Utley and Rollins. Well both parties turned out well for each other, both got rings and they were pretty consistent.

I liked Rolen when he was with the Jays, solid player.