HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[WeThreeKings]

How MBN compares to Heineman. Both seems to have similar package/upside.

Remember prime James Neal? That's probably how I would describe MBN. Speed. Physical. Nasty. High end finishing ability.

Heineman if you look at their strengths is a similar player but MBN is a tier to two tiers above Heineman in everything in addition to having more of a hands and playnaking game.

Check out some Norway games at the WJC.

 

[V13]

We are in a massive clump of about 15 teams who are all within a few points in the middle of the standings. Personally I think it will catch up with them as the points get a bit harder. As it is they are barely hanging on... but the great news is that this is fantastic experience for everyone. The vets are playing fantastic and the young guns are finding their way.

Basically points wise we are back where we started. Do you think we will play this well in the 2nd half? I don't, but prove me wrong baby!

I agree with that

I mean it probably give the guys some motivation. As in '' guys we can mathematically make the playoffs. Let's go !!" type of thing. It's certainly better for the morale to believe you can make it even if it's gonna be tough than falling into apathy as a 32rd place bottom feeder with no chances whatsoever.

 

[Gravity]

You are a miserable person period. You obviously are not a fan. If you were you would appreciate the positives.

Cool. I couldn't care less what a stranger on an internet forum thinks of me. I'd suggest keeping your judgement on people to yourself because whether or not you think I'm a fan means sweet f*** all to me.

You do know that wanting development of youngsters and losses for the tank are not mutually exclusive concepts?

Either way, I will enjoy what I wish from watching this team and express my opinion as I wish. I am not violating any terms of this forum.

 

[Gravity]

Spin it how you want these guys are performing above expectations

Are they? The young players that matter haven't been producing at an incredible pace. If so I would have no qualms. We're bad, collecting OT points and the youngsters aren't lighting it up. I'm happy for Slafkovsky's development but he isn't single handedly carrying us.

Regulation wins is not spinning it either. It's a pretty basic stat.......

 

[Zilo44]

Are they? The young players that matter haven't been producing at an incredible pace. If so I would have no qualms. We're bad, collecting OT points and the youngsters aren't lighting it up. I'm happy for Slafkovsky's development but he isn't single handedly carrying us.

Regulation wins is not spinning it either. It's a pretty basic stat.......

Who’s underperforming outside of Caufield ?

 

[Gravity]

Who’s underperforming outside of Caufield ?

Better question is which youngsters are propelling to success?

 

[Zilo44]

Better question is which youngsters are propelling to success?

Suzuki is still improving his PPG. Slaf. Guhle.

Barron is a rollercoaster but showing signs he belongs.

Struble.

Monty and Primeau.

Newhook was gaining momentum before getting injured.

The AHL guys are starting to produce (Farrell, Mailloux Kidney Roy).

The only vets who had an impact on our winning record are Matheson, Monahan and to an extent Savard.

Dvorak, Anderson, Gallagher, Armia, Stephens et al are totally irrelevant

 

[Tyson]

Are they? The young players that matter haven't been producing at an incredible pace. If so I would have no qualms. We're bad, collecting OT points and the youngsters aren't lighting it up. I'm happy for Slafkovsky's development but he isn't single handedly carrying us.

Regulation wins is not spinning it either. It's a pretty basic stat.......

You have the absolute right to spew your Habs vitriol no doubt but we have the right to tell you that you are FOS.

 

[Gravity]

Suzuki is still improving his PPG. Slaf. Guhle.

Barron is a rollercoaster but showing signs he belongs.

Struble.

Monty and Primeau.

Newhook was gaining momentum before getting injured.

The AHL guys are starting to produce (Farrell, Mailloux Kidney Roy).

The only vets who had an impact on our winning record are Matheson, Monahan and to an extent Savard.

Dvorak, Anderson, Gallagher, Armia, Stephens et al are totally irrelevant

Let's talk only about the NHL guys. Slaf I agree. Guhle has not been good this season. Suzuki has been better this season as well. So with CC struggling, have the majority of our wins come from high impact youth? I don't think so. We're getting timely goals from Matheson, Kovacevic, Savard etc... Our forwards are among last in the league for production but our D is near the top. Guhle hasn't been lighting the lamp frequently so....

 

[Gravity]

You have the absolute right to spew your Habs vitriol no doubt but we have the right to tell you that you are FOS.

Right.....if I'm leveraging a quantitative metric to say they're statistically tied for last in RW, I'm full of BS. That's the hallmark of a bad team.

Do you have any quantitative metric worth debating to suggest this isn't a bad team on a Cinderella run? Otherwise it's just a triggered emotional response.

 

[Tyson]

Right.....if I'm leveraging a quantitative metric to say they're statistically tied for last in RW, I'm full of BS. That's the hallmark of a bad team.

Do you have any quantitative metric worth debating to suggest this isn't a bad team on a Cinderella run? Otherwise it's just a triggered emotional response.

Most fans just watch the games and enjoy seeing their team making progress. I don't need a quantitative metric to tell me our young players are making progress. You keep digging into those advanced stats and most of us will simply enjoy watching the kids develop and seeing some success.

 

[Gravity]

Most fans just watch the games and enjoy seeing their team making progress. I don't need a quantitative metric to tell me our young players are making progress. You keep digging into those advanced stats and most of us will simply enjoy watching the kids develop and seeing some success.

Ok so it's an emotional response then. LOL Regulation Wins is not an advanced stat. Like I said, the two are not mutually exclusive; I'll enjoy watching Slaf develop whilst hoping for regulation L's. As for me wanting more Ls, care to ponder what thread this is?

 

[le_sean]

I love the sentiment on Dach but he played one game and a third this season.

I mean, who knows of his progress was a matter of short period of output or for real.

Anyway, I feel like you do; they show up to win every game and they do it while injured to the gills.

He ended last year with 16 points in 22 games. That’s a 60 point pace. He looked like easily our best forward in the preseason and the first two games. I don’t think it’s far fetched to believe he’d take a big step.

 

[Tyson]

Ok so it's an emotional response then. LOL Regulation Wins is not an advanced stat. Like I said, the two are not mutually exclusive; I'll enjoy watching Slaf develop whilst hoping for regulation L's. As for me wanting more Ls, care to ponder what thread this is?

I never said you wanted more L's. I want to see progress and enjoy it. Last night I enjoyed watching Slaf, Ylonen, Struble and Primeau do well.

 

[Riggins]

All I want for Christmas is four regulation losses to end the road trip (while Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf keep scoring).

 

[morhilane]

He ended last year with 16 points in 22 games. That’s a 60 point pace. He looked like easily our best forward in the preseason and the first two games. I don’t think it’s far fetched to believe he’d take a big step.

While carrying Hoffman and Dadonov most of those games if I remember properly.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

This team is overachieving big time. They’ll slip, it’s inevitable. The top 6 is not great with dash and Newhook in it. It’s pitiful without them.

 

[HuGort]

2 points ahead of where they were at this point last year and everything about their point accumulation is pointing to heavy regression.

The tank will happen.

Habs were hit hard by injuries last year. Can't see that happening again.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Right.....if I'm leveraging a quantitative metric to say they're statistically tied for last in RW, I'm full of BS. That's the hallmark of a bad team.

Do you have any quantitative metric worth debating to suggest this isn't a bad team on a Cinderella run? Otherwise it's just a triggered emotional response.

Emotional losers that want short-term gratification at the expense of long-term success are showing up to whine about people wanting to tank in the tank thread. News at 11.

We don't go into the rest of the forum and GDTs to wreak havoc, pull for losses, and talk about tanking all the time. Maybe we should? Since they feel so at home here?

 

[McGees]

I maintain my prediction - we won't sniff anywhere near top 5.
8-12 pick (at this rate I'll be thankful for anything inside top 10 lol)

 

[Nicko999]

Meanwhile Chicago is on pace to add Celebrini to their team.

The youngsters we brag about are just not good enough when I compare to Chicago, Anaheim, Columbus.
Looks like another 30 years of mediocrity. Enjoy everyone!

 

[Mister Hab]

I want our Habs to select in the top 8-10 range of the 2024 NHL Draft.
(actually...I'm crossing my fingers for a top 5-7 pick...maybe Tij Iginla?).

I never enjoy watching our Habs lose (never)..and am enjoying watching the development of Slafkovsky/Struble/Primeau, but if they had one more good draft (top 5 or top 8..or at worst...top 10)...I wouldn't mind that at all. 2025 playoffs or 2026 playoffs is more realistic, imo (imho!). Too many assets to trade for good young players or picks (Monahan, Allen, Pearson when healthy, Savard, etc)....but if they're in a playoff spot...they may have to keep all the players just mentioned..or most of them...and we get a 16th-17th-18th pick instead of a top 7-10 pick..could be a huge difference maker...that top 7-10 pick/player).


Playoffs 2025 (maybe Habs are in it...and in it to win..not lose in 1st rnd):

Matheson? - Savard?
Guhle - Barron
Struble - Reinbacher/Kovacevic
Hutson/Xhekaj - Mailloux



Montembeault (6'3)
Primeau (6'3)
Dobes (6'5)
Fowler (6'1)

 

[Mister Hab]

error...same post as last one

 

[Sorinth]

Although a drop in the standings is still likely to occur I think a lot of people are overestimating how big a drop we could expect. MSL is a career 60-77-15 as our coach. If we finish the rest of the season at that pace then we would end up with 78.5 points which is good for 8th from the bottom if other teams continue as they are.

My guess is that for the most part we will continue to play around .500 hockey outside of a couple of losing streaks that won't be offset by winning streaks. So we'll fall back but relatively slowly. One such losing streak is likely right around the corner with Carolina, Florida, Tampa, Dallas as the post Christmas road trip. And there's another rough set of games starting near the end of March where we face Carolina, Florida, Tampa, Toronto, Rangers. But other then that there's not

Bottom line is that if we finish in that high 70s point range, it will have been solid growth as a team as well as individuals, while also still having potential 1st line forwards available when we pick.

 

[Sorinth]

Meanwhile Chicago is on pace to add Celebrini to their team.

The youngsters we brag about are just not good enough when I compare to Chicago, Anaheim, Columbus.
Looks like another 30 years of mediocrity. Enjoy everyone!

According to tankathon Chicago is sitting at 13.5% of getting 1st OA. Not sure how that put's them on pace to add Celebrini. They have over 70% odds of not getting either Celebrini or Eiserman.