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Miller Time said:
Won't happen unless he forces the issue... But if they flame out this year, with their cap situation and brutal prospect pool, writting will be on the wall.... a smart GM would start hiving off pieces to do a proper reset. One that Sid may well not want to be sign a new deal.

but with just 1 year left, and his relationship with Letang/Malkin/Mario & the city, he may be compelled to see out his last year as they try to bandaid one more attempt.

With how well he's playing & what a complete player he is, I'd have no issue trading assets for his 37yr old season at 8.7M), then re-signing him for 2-3 more @ 8-9M (38-39-40). Few guys are still at a high level at that age, but as Pavelski is showing, it is doable. Sid has the attributes to be one.
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He's a UFA after next year, if he wants to play for his team before he retired, its in his control.
 
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David Suzuki said:
He's a UFA after next year, if he wants to play for his team before he retired, its in his control.
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Indeed... Though I'd be fully in favor of trading for him this summer if the pens were selling and he wanted to come to Mtl.

If he did move from Pitt before his deal ends, I doubt he's bouncing from place to place like Kane... I'd bet He'd be dictating where he's going and going somewhere he intends to finish his career.
 
Pens core debating if they have one more cup in them...

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Unless injuries cascade upon us, the wins will come easier in the dead rubber portion of the season after the trade deadline when many teams give up or are battered by injury and weakened. Losses now are easier to come by… but the Habs have a tendency to not win games in regular time and not lose them in regular time either.

Of course I’d rather get to the playoffs and give that experience to our young players but it really doesn’t seem remotely feasible.

Unless we go on a big W or L streak we don’t know what we have here. I don’t mind falling ass backward into a Wild Card spot on the back of stolen points from the goalies just as long as we stay there.
 
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Unless injuries cascade upon us, the wins will come easier in the dead rubber portion of the season after the trade deadline when many teams give up or are battered by injury and weakened. Losses now are easier to come by… but the Habs have a tendency to not win games in regular time and not lose them in regular time either.

Of course I’d rather get to the playoffs and give that experience to our young players but it really doesn’t seem remotely feasible.

Unless we go on a big W or L streak we don’t know what we have here. I don’t mind falling ass backward into a Wild Card spot on the back of stolen points from the goalies just as long as we stay there.
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The schedule will get harder and we got more road games coming up. Given our injuries and the players we’ll likely sell by TDL, zero chance we’ll stumble into a wild card spot.

I mean, it’s painful hockey to watch, but no playoffs until maybe 2025-2026, but more likely 2026-2027.
 
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sandviper said:
The schedule will get harder and we got more road games coming up. Given our injuries and the players we’ll likely sell by TDL, zero chance we’ll stumble into a wild card spot.

I mean, it’s painful hockey to watch, but no playoffs until maybe 2025-2026, but more likely 2026-2027.
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I can't even imagine what the roster will look like in the 24-25 season but by 25-26 Suzuki will be in his late 20s, I hope we have something to cheer for by then.

Who can the Habs sell by this year's TDL? All I see is Monahan.
 
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I can't even imagine what the roster will look like in the 24-25 season but by 25-26 Suzuki will be in his late 20s, I hope we have something to cheer for by then.

Who can the Habs sell by this year's TDL? All I see is Monahan.
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To your first point, roster will look different. Monahan will be sold. Pearson isn’t going to be back. Depth and extra players like Lindstrom will probably move on. I know they are on the team, but it’ll look different also because Dach and Newhook will be back (Newhook this season).

In 25-26, Suzuki is only going to be 26-ish? Hardly late 20s. Thing with Nick (and Cole), is they’ve tasted victory and playoff runs. I am not overly concerned about a loser environment even when losing. Obviously, getting corked night after night isn’t ideal, but I think those two can help lead the younger players through the tough times. Back to Suzuki, I love the guy but to me he’s a 2C on a contender. Dach on the otherhand, I think he was on his way to becoming our #1C.

Our pipeline doesn’t have an elite gamebreaking forward, but it does have Hutson who I think is going to be great. Not sure about him being a 1D, but he, Reinbacher and Guhle in the top-4 is pretty amazing. Let’s hope we can identify and draft that elite forward this coming draft.

Of course, a lot of this is contingent on other players hitting their ceilings or close to it. Management has to make the right moves also as the team matures. I’ve always said we’re two years into the rebuild but even if people say 3, a rebuild takes a long ass time. It can be sped up but a lot has to go right. We haven’t been too lucky about that (Dach this year, Caufield last).
 
Mrb1p said:
Reminder that this shit team that cant do anything right has two less wins than the year prior.

"Growth".
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Had to check, but yeah.... that's true! However, the Habs fell off a cliff at this point last year. In their remaining 53 games they went 17-32-4, 3rd worst record in the league.

I doubt this team will crumble so badly. And thanks to Ottawa and Buffalo, Habs aren't even the worst team in their own division.
 
Lshap said:
Had to check, but yeah.... that's true! However, the Habs fell off a cliff at this point last year. In their remaining 53 games they went 17-32-4, 3rd worst record in the league.

I doubt this team will crumble so badly. And thanks to Ottawa and Buffalo, Habs aren't even the worst team in their own division.
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We will see how they survive this next stretch. Last season the Habs did fairly well coming off their breaks. No reason to think they won't surprise this year also once they get rested. There are definite signs of fatigue particularly in our Dcorps all except Savard. :laugh:
 
Picking 8th sounds about right. I think this year our record will stay close to .500 a lot longer and they won’t let defeats pile up like last year. And that is an improvement
 
Scintillating10 said:
Habs have a bunch of contracts coming off the books in '25. Jeff Petry, Allen and a few others. Could it be we make an offer to Crosby?
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If Crosby somehow does not re-signs in Pittsburgh (unlikely) and he's healthy, he'd be a tremendous veteran add to a young upcoming team.

Crosby/Suzuki/Dach would be incredible down the middle, even old Crosby.

But I think he retires a Penguin.

Montreal was his childhood team, so we never know. If the team looks good and he's UFA and Hughes offers him the moon on a 1-2 year deal... Imagine Crosby raising the cup with Habs jersey on.

What a dream.
 
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the bottom 3 certainly looks impossible to catch as the hawks, sharks, ducks are really bad though SJ has won 6 of their last 10 which may not sound like much but when you only had 3 wins before that. There's still so much hockey left that I wouldn't say any is totally out of reach but I don't expect the Habs to be among the bottom 3 and may not make it to the bottom 5 pre lottery.

The jackets in the 4th OA spot aren't that far as they are just 3 pts back but we have a game in hand. Seattle looked like shit the one game I watched vs the Habs and now the Sens are worrying me which could put the bottom 6 in tough.

For now the teams we are fighting with, Sabers, Flames, Sens, Blues as I hope that the Pens, oilers (won 8 of last 10), wild will move a good bit past us in time. I still worry about the yotes but could see a tight race between 4th OA to say 11th or 12th.
 
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Based on our goal differential we are definitely a bottom 5 team. I think the results will start to correct themselves, but we may be too late.
 
Michoulicious said:
If Crosby somehow does not re-signs in Pittsburgh (unlikely) and he's healthy, he'd be a tremendous veteran add to a young upcoming team.

Crosby/Suzuki/Dach would be incredible down the middle, even old Crosby.

But I think he retires a Penguin.

Montreal was his childhood team, so we never know. If the team looks good and he's UFA and Hughes offers him the moon on a 1-2 year deal... Imagine Crosby raising the cup with Habs jersey on.

What a dream.
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Maybe a chance. Pittsburgh likely league doormats in two years. Habs should be headed to top of league. Crosby gets to play for his favourite team plus chance for another ring.
 
Lshap said:
Had to check, but yeah.... that's true! However, the Habs fell off a cliff at this point last year. In their remaining 53 games they went 17-32-4, 3rd worst record in the league.

I doubt this team will crumble so badly. And thanks to Ottawa and Buffalo, Habs aren't even the worst team in their own division.
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Habs record w vs without Savard last season is shocking. It was at this point a year ago Savard was lost due to injury followed by Monahan and everything fell off a cliff

Probability of repeating is very low, combined with extreme parity in Atlantic division (who will without a doubt end up w 5-teams in the playoffs)… Habs will be in a wildcard hunt till at least trade deadline if not entire season
 
salbutera said:
Habs record w vs without Savard last season is shocking. It was at this point a year ago Savard was lost due to injury followed by Monahan and everything fell off a cliff

Probability of repeating is very low, combined with extreme parity in Atlantic division (who will without a doubt end up w 5-teams in the playoffs)… Habs will be in a wildcard hunt till at least trade deadline if not entire season
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If we lose tonight we could fall to 5th to 9th last depending on the other teams playing tonight.

But we're dominating.
 
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