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I wouldn't even call Mesar an excitement either. He's just kidney but a year younger. He wasn't great at fighting for space in his pre season or two AHL games so he's going to have a rough transition. Beck is a third liner. So really the only exciting thing we have is Huston's potential.

We are going to sink in the standings though, we're running out of gas and it's only December.
Mesar is in its D+2. What he's doing in the OHL at this point is almost irrelevant.

His team is dominating offensively, all their top players are in the top of the scoring list.

Hopefully he turns into a good NHLer, but I don't get the hype. He still has a long way before getting in the NHL.
 
We're still out of the bottom 10 at this point in PTS/game.

This is unacceptable.

I really like this year top 10-12, but it falls off pretty quick after that. We need a top 10 pick bad in this draft.

We have the least amount of regulation wins in the entire league. Every power ranking has us bottom 5.

We are thin on offensive talent and lost Dach for the year and Newhook for 3 months. Monahan will be traded at some point.

There's no way we aren't picking where we need to pick this year. Our 5 on 5 save percentage is also beyond unsustainable.
 
Right now it's still so early that it's really tight. If you go by win %, the 9th OA to 12th OA picks are separated by just a mere .005% and even 8th OA is only .021% away.

1st and 2nd OA pre lottery are starting to look impossible to reach, even 3rd and 4th is starting to look tough at .079 and .062% lower. But in the next 4 weeks or so it should start to become clearer.

5th/6th/7th OA are real close together between Wild, Oilers, Seattle as it's only .011% between them. The Oilers have won 7 of their last 10 and the Habs only 3 of 10 yet they still are .047% below us for now.
 
Right now it's still so early that it's really tight. If you go by win %, the 9th OA to 12th OA picks are separated by just a mere .005% and even 8th OA is only .021% away.

1st and 2nd OA pre lottery are starting to look impossible to reach, even 3rd and 4th is starting to look tough at .079 and .062% lower. But in the next 4 weeks or so it should start to become clearer.

5th/6th/7th OA are real close together between Wild, Oilers, Seattle as it's only .011% between them. The Oilers have won 7 of their last 10 and the Habs only 3 of 10 yet they still are .047% below us for now.
I hope we sell hard before deadline. Improve the pick.
 
We have the least amount of regulation wins in the entire league. Every power ranking has us bottom 5.

We are thin on offensive talent and lost Dach for the year and Newhook for 3 months. Monahan will be traded at some point.

There's no way we aren't picking where we need to pick this year. Our 5 on 5 save percentage is also beyond unsustainable.
Everything you just said is absolutely true... which fuels my "anger" (i'm not angry for real) because our point total reflects something else and puts us way too high at this moment. We can't give back the points we are collecting... they are just there.

It just f***s up our chances at the top picks. I know you are a proponent of the idea that we'll be fine anyway as the F draftees are plentiful but I'd like to play it safer and give it a better shot for a Celebreni or a Eiserman.. but that's on me.
 
There's one major prize this year and it's Celebrini. The difference in odds between finishing 4th last (9.5%) and 8th last (6%) is miniscule and not worth raging over. We're definitely finishing bottom 8.

It looks like there are 6 worthy forwards and we'll take one of them. If anyone knows now who will be the best of Eiserman, Demidov, Lindstrom, Catton and Helenius and who will bust they are kidding themselves.
 
We have the least amount of regulation wins in the entire league. Every power ranking has us bottom 5.

We are thin on offensive talent and lost Dach for the year and Newhook for 3 months. Monahan will be traded at some point.

There's no way we aren't picking where we need to pick this year. Our 5 on 5 save percentage is also beyond unsustainable.
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Everything you just said is absolutely true... which fuels my "anger" (i'm not angry for real) because our point total reflects something else and puts us way too high at this moment. We can't give back the points we are collecting... they are just there.

It just f***s up our chances at the top picks. I know you are a proponent of the idea that we'll be fine anyway as the F draftees are plentiful but I'd like to play it safer and give it a better shot for a Celebreni or a Eiserman.. but that's on me.

Eiserman should be available around 5.
 
We just extended him, he’s not going anywhere
It depends what they told him. The contract may have been agreed to with the proviso that if the right offer is made he will be traded. Someone has to go. Primeau is not being traded. Allen was probably promised that he wouldn't be traded and probably no one wants him. Monty is the most likely.
Edit: They may have offered a bigger contact if there were no restrictions re trades. I suspect the only way Allen is moved is if someone takes the entire contract.
 
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It depends what they told him. The contract may have been agreed to with the proviso that if the right offer is made he will be traded. Someone has to go. Primeau is not being traded. Allen was probably promised that he wouldn't be traded and probably no one wants him. Monty is the most likely.
Edit: They may have offered a bigger contact if there were no restrictions re trades. I suspect the only way Allen is moved is if someone takes the entire contract.
To me, that contract says more that they committed to him. He's getting paid 1 million this year, that's a steal for any team and his future contract would not be our concern.
 
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Right now it's still so early that it's really tight. If you go by win %, the 9th OA to 12th OA picks are separated by just a mere .005% and even 8th OA is only .021% away.

1st and 2nd OA pre lottery are starting to look impossible to reach, even 3rd and 4th is starting to look tough at .079 and .062% lower. But in the next 4 weeks or so it should start to become clearer.

5th/6th/7th OA are real close together between Wild, Oilers, Seattle as it's only .011% between them. The Oilers have won 7 of their last 10 and the Habs only 3 of 10 yet they still are .047% below us for now.
I agree 1st and 2nd would be tough (but not impossible as still 60 games to be played and only 9 pts back) but 3rd OA is very much possible. It's in fact likely as long as we stop getting those useless loser pts.
 
I wonder if when the media gets bored of losing and trying to find narratives will they hold Hughes to account for the step forward we’ve (not) made this year?

Rebuilding isn’t a linear progression but you’d expect the constituting players within a rebuild to improve. So far it doesn’t seem like their progress has been particularly noteworthy or indicates they will become particularly noteworthy or “impact” players.

Is Suzuki 1C of a Stanley Cup winning team?
Is Caufield the top scorer of a Stanley Cup winning team?
Is Guhle…
Is Slafkovsky…
Is Hutson…
Is Reinbacher…

There are many unknowns and to-be-determined future possibilities but some noticeable progress and growth from these players would go a long way to proving them as legitimate investments.

I don’t know if we’re on the right track but I feel like the team as a whole should’ve been better than they have been this year. Too sloppy, too immature, too unreliable. Not a serious team. The manhandling at the hands of the LA Kings was a loose (and tired) team versus a serious contender team. How can we get to that level?

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The above sounds more negative than I mean it to sound — my point is there aren’t many upward narratives for commentators to hang onto and I think because of this the media will sooner than later start to curdle.

Eric Engels wrote “finally Josh Anderson is back!” The other day. They’re running out of ideas to be positive.
 
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I wonder if when the media gets bored of losing and trying to find narratives will they hold Hughes to account for the step forward we’ve (not) made this year?

Rebuilding isn’t a linear progression but you’d expect the constituting players within a rebuild to improve. So far it doesn’t seem like their progress has been particularly noteworthy or indicates they will become particularly noteworthy or “impact” players.

Is Suzuki 1C of a Stanley Cup winning team?
Is Caufield the top scorer of a Stanley Cup winning team?
Is Guhle…
Is Slafkovsky…
Is Hutson…
Is Reinbacher…

There are many unknowns and to-be-determined future possibilities but some noticeable progress and growth from these players would go a long way to proving them as legitimate investments.

I don’t know if we’re on the right track but I feel like the team as a whole should’ve been better than they have been this year. Too sloppy, too immature, too unreliable. Not a serious team. The manhandling at the hands of the LA Kings was a loose (and tired) team versus a serious contender team. How can we get to that level?
We are missing a few key players. Which young guy except maybe Harris and Xhekaj are not better than last season? Anderson, Gally, and others regressing isn't really indicative of anything as Hughes brought in zero of the vets except Monahan. Cole and Nick are both pacing for career highs even after being separated. Guhle looks to potentially be a cornerstone D.

It hasn't been a great season but any progress that has come has been with players that we want it to.
 
We are missing a few key players. Which young guy except maybe Harris and Xhekaj are not better than last season? Anderson, Gally, and others regressing isn't really indicative of anything as Hughes brought in zero of the vets except Monahan. Cole and Nick are both pacing for career highs even after being separated. Guhle looks to potentially be a cornerstone D.

It hasn't been a great season but any progress that has come has been with players that we want it to.
Suzuki is not on pace to hit even 70pts man

Caufield on pace for 24goals

Guhle on pace for less than 30pts last I checked

They’ve kinda stagnated from last season, but I’ve noticed more mature decisions from them. I don’t know if it means we can expect them to produce more in the future though. Maybe this is them approaching their level? (Suzuki in particular)
 
To me, that contract says more that they committed to him. He's getting paid 1 million this year, that's a steal for any team and his future contract would not be our concern.
He’s earned it. Has the potential to be a steal of a deal too.

He’s not untouchable by any stretch - and Im sure they told him this - but I’d think they signed him to keep him barring some crazy offer.

Eiserman should be available around 5.
There was talk of him moving up to first overall at the beginning of the year. He’d be a really good fifth overall. That’s encouraging.

We have the least amount of regulation wins in the entire league. Every power ranking has us bottom 5.

We are thin on offensive talent and lost Dach for the year and Newhook for 3 months. Monahan will be traded at some point.

There's no way we aren't picking where we need to pick this year. Our 5 on 5 save percentage is also beyond unsustainable.
The injuries are unreal. No doubt we’d be way further ahead offensively. Defensively, I always figured we’d get crushed. Tough to say how good we are when we keep losing top six players. Newhook going down just sucks.

Silver lining of course is that it will mean we tank more. Really hoping for a top five this year. Some interesting prospects there.
 
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Suzuki is not on pace to hit even 70pts man

Caufield on pace for 24goals

Guhle on pace for less than 30pts last I checked

They’ve kinda stagnated from last season, but I’ve noticed more mature decisions from them. I don’t know if it means we can expect them to produce more in the future though. Maybe this is them approaching their level? (Suzuki in particular)
To me Suzuki is a playmaker and his numbers will always be limited to how good his linemates are to an extent. Huberdeau went from 115 points to 55 based on linemates and systems. Get a functional pp, more than one goal scored and see how much his numbers change. Even with all the huffing and puffing huberdeau is second on the Flames in points this year. He cannot create anything when their forwards can't finish plays that Barkov, Reinhart, verhaggy and others could.

Not saying Nick has 115 potential but in a better situation he would easily be a PPG player. He's skilled and generally consistent which is very valuable in the NHL where most guys take many games off.
 
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To me Suzuki is a playmaker and his numbers will always be limited to how good his linemates are to an extent. Huberdeau went from 115 points to 55 based on linemates and systems. Get a functional pp, more than one goal scored and see how much his numbers change. Even with all the huffing and puffing huberdeau is second on the Flames in points this year. He cannot create anything when their forwards can't finish plays that Barkov, Reinhart, verhaggy and others could.

Not saying Nick has 115 potential but in a better situation he would easily be a PPG player. He's skilled and generally consistent which is very valuable in the NHL where most guys take many games off.

Totally agree.

And not only his direct linemates, but the roster as a whole. Swap Suzuki into a lineup like the Laffs, Avs, Knights et. & I think he'd be at a ppg comfortably right now even with his minutes dropping a bit & getting pp2 role vs first wave.

It'll come over the next ~2seasons as the talent in the lineup moves from developing to prime years & Hughes starts making offseason moves to bolster the roster rather than clean up the mess he inherited.
 
We have the least amount of regulation wins in the entire league. Every power ranking has us bottom 5.

We are thin on offensive talent and lost Dach for the year and Newhook for 3 months. Monahan will be traded at some point.

There's no way we aren't picking where we need to pick this year. Our 5 on 5 save percentage is also beyond unsustainable.
But on the flip side Anderson won't stay at 0 goals, Caufield will probably go on a goal scoring streak at some point, etc... Unless the injuries really start to pile up I'm not sure we should expect a massive drop off like last year. We're not a good team but I think we're better then we were the last two years and so we shouldn't expect to have that much worse of a record compared to those years. Something like .430 - .440 for the rest of the season seems more likely which will drop us a number of spots but not sure it will be enough to get us into the bottom-5.

But it also doesn't matter since there will be potential star players available to us when we pick even if that's 6-10.
 
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To me Suzuki is a playmaker and his numbers will always be limited to how good his linemates are to an extent. Huberdeau went from 115 points to 55 based on linemates and systems. Get a functional pp, more than one goal scored and see how much his numbers change. Even with all the huffing and puffing huberdeau is second on the Flames in points this year. He cannot create anything when their forwards can't finish plays that Barkov, Reinhart, verhaggy and others could.

Not saying Nick has 115 potential but in a better situation he would easily be a PPG player. He's skilled and generally consistent which is very valuable in the NHL where most guys take many games off.
Good playmakers are the ones who dictate the production of their line. It's strange to flip it around like that. Joe Thornton was the one who stuck plumbers next to in order to get them going, he didn't need special linemates to help him. I don't think Suzuki is particularly consistent either. I like how he plays a lot - smart, uptempo, etc. But I wouldn't call him consistent. I don't have any comment on Huberdeau - the Flames are in a tough situation and I don't think the exceptional circumstances in which Huberdeau finds himself is easily compared to Suzuki.

Should the Habs draft BPA if it's a defenseman?
Hopefully this coming draft puts to bed the notion of "BPA". There is no such thing in a reliable, universal sense. The Habs should not pick a defenseman next year unless he's head and shoulders above the other prospects available at that spot.
 
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But on the flip side Anderson won't stay at 0 goals, Caufield will probably go on a goal scoring streak at some point, etc... Unless the injuries really start to pile up I'm not sure we should expect a massive drop off like last year. We're not a good team but I think we're better then we were the last two years and so we shouldn't expect to have that much worse of a record compared to those years. Something like .430 - .440 for the rest of the season seems more likely which will drop us a number of spots but not sure it will be enough to get us into the bottom-5.

But it also doesn't matter since there will be potential star players available to us when we pick even if that's 6-10.

I don't think we are better than we were the last two years when you consider the injuries to Dach and Newhook.

All this to say; there's nothing to worry about - there's literally nothing that we can point to statistically and quality of team that insinuates the Habs will pick outside of the top 10 and I'd argue the top 8 of the draft.
 
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