That would be losing sight of the rebuild path.
Also, the Habs can't go another year with 14 forwards signed and zero spots for prospects. Ylonen shouldn't be warming the bench this year a already.
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Also, the Habs can't go another year with 14 forwards signed and zero spots for prospects. Ylonen shouldn't be warming the bench this year a already.
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"That would be losing sight of the rebuild path."
That would be losing sight of YOUR rebuild path, not THE rebuild path.
Ylonen has not been playing in such a way as to lay claim to a spot in the lineup. At some point the new needs to push the old out, like taking a good crap.
"Also, the Habs can't go another year with 14 forwards signed and zero spots for prospects."
Pearson won't be back with the Habs next year.
It's not my rebuild path, it's Hughes. He wants long term success, not a short term one and he already said that this year wasn't about winning.
Habs have 12 signed NHL forwards for next season + RFA Ylonen. This year UFAs aren't part of that count. They have to trade more than Pearson and Monahan before next season start.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Even Engels knows they are trading Monahan if he's healthy.
If he continues his play he's gonna get a big package at the deadline. It will be a 1st + and that is fantastic to have for trying to move up in the draft or working to acquire a player who comes available through a trade thats age and health isn't a massive question mark.
If he continues his play he's gonna get a big package at the deadline. It will be a 1st + and that is fantastic to have for trying to move up in the draft or working to acquire a player who comes available through a trade thats age and health isn't a massive question mark.
There's a huge misconception that keeping Monahan is more about trying to win now than it is about providing an environment through which young, talented players can continue to progress. Often, posters display a rather simplistic view of rebuilding and makes me doubt their comprehension about how to best develop a young hockey player.
As I've mentioned before, if the return is a blockbuster for Monahan, there's no way he shouldn't be traded, but a late first round pick is definitely not enough for a solid, two-way forward with 60+ point upside, a consistent game, versatility as a winger or a C,F/O proficiency, a physical, playoff style of play, experience as a youngish veteran and a price tag in terms of Cap implications that makes any team capable of acquiring him, including a Cup favourite that can add him as skilled depth and injury insurance all at once.
As I've mentioned before, if the return is a blockbuster for Monahan, there's no way he shouldn't be traded, but a late first round pick is definitely not enough for a solid, two-way forward with 60+ point upside, a consistent game, versatility as a winger or a C,F/O proficiency, a physical, playoff style of play, experience as a youngish veteran and a price tag in terms of Cap implications that makes any team capable of acquiring him, including a Cup favourite that can add him as skilled depth and injury insurance all at once.
Why is it still called common sense when it is so uncommon?
It's like the employer who makes you feel guilty when you want time off because you are an integral part of the process and then tells you anyone can do your job when you ask for a raise...
You know my boss???Why is it still called common sense when it is so uncommon?
It's like the employer who makes you feel guilty when you want time off because you are an integral part of the process and then tells you anyone can do your job when you ask for a raise...
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Sadly, this isn't a video game and the player in this case has motivations that go beyond the Habs. If I was his agent, I would clearly indicate that Monahan would want to earn with his next contract would be (1) compensation for his 60-70pt play and leadership and (2) a spot to win. Can the Habs give him 6m a year? And at what term? And even if so, can the Habs promise him he'll be playing meaningful games in the near future?
Context is important, the player has a career context that indicates his interests will be orthogonal to the interests of the Habs organization.
If I'm his agent and he finishes the season around whatever pt total Suzuki gets, I'm asking for 7m and 7 years. I'll say his injury issues are behind him and he's a two-way player with great skill and motor, he's a leader, he's got 'intangibles', and he will only stay on a rebuilding team if they commit to him for the long-haul. I'd assume the Habs will say no.
Well said...
& why the best case scenario is that we hang on to him until deadline week, then trade him to his preferred destination of the teams inquiring while having an informal July 1st extension already negotiated and wink-wink agreed to.
He gets to go on a cup run
We get to keep him for most of the season & then give some younger guys more opportunity down the stretch
If he avoids major injury, we welcome him back with a fair/generous UFA deal and he settles in for the next 3-4yrs as the vet leader of a young and fast rising team
Win
Win
Win
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One of those 12 signed NHL forwards is Armia who is in the AHL so it seems weird to claim he's blocking a spot. If anything it's evidence that Hughes is willing to make room for prospects if they show they deserve it.
Habitant#1
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I can't believe people are seriously considering either:
1) Not trading Monahan
2) Re-signing him to a multi year deal
This can't possibly be real.
1) Not trading Monahan
2) Re-signing him to a multi year deal
This can't possibly be real.
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And you'd be doing a terrible jog as an agent. Monahan might very well be looking to cash in with one last big contract and the price will be too high but 7x7 isn't happening with any team. So telling him that as his agent is just dumb. Hell as an agent you shouldn't even be pushing your client to go for max dollars, you should ask your client what they whats most important to them and then push to get them that. It could be money, it could be a chance to win the cup, it could be a place that's best to raise his family, it could be a place where he can walk down the street and not get noticed, it could be hockey mad city, it could be close to home, it could be US only, etc...
Monahan might not want to re-sign with us for whatever reasons and in that case we clearly trade him and move on. But if he is willing to sign, which is frankly just as likely given that we saved his career, then we should definitely consider it.
Riggins
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We're back to .500.
Vegas and Boston up next.
Vegas and Boston up next.
Why in earth would we not want to re-sign him, if he wants to come back this summer
Habitant#1
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Two juicy regulation Ls in a row!
We're so back!!
We're so back!!
Maybe hanging on to Anderson is all part of Hugo's master plan...
Keep playing him in prominent roles to build the illusion that we believe in him but he's just snakebitten. Wait for that one 5-10 game hot streak (even better if it doesn't come until next year sometime) , then offload him for a premium to an old school GM that loves the size + skating
Hard to fathom why else he is still getting the minutes he does... Relegate him to the 4th line already
Keep playing him in prominent roles to build the illusion that we believe in him but he's just snakebitten. Wait for that one 5-10 game hot streak (even better if it doesn't come until next year sometime) , then offload him for a premium to an old school GM that loves the size + skating
Hard to fathom why else he is still getting the minutes he does... Relegate him to the 4th line already
Grate n Colorful Oz
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You have a guy with more surgeries than I have fingers on one hand, coming up to his last big payday, on the cusp of turning 30, but yeah it makes so much sense to sign him for the culture boost.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I don't think that low is possible.. but we can definitely get close to top 5 and that should be all that we need to select Demidov or Catton which would/should end the panic.
BIGGGG loss in regulation against a worthy suckass opponent.
Wheels are falling off like last year. Let's just hope we see progression from the youngsters and get a decent return for Monahan, one of the goalies and maybe a 3rd/4th for Pearson.
Wheels are falling off like last year. Let's just hope we see progression from the youngsters and get a decent return for Monahan, one of the goalies and maybe a 3rd/4th for Pearson.
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The tank engine is getting tuned up and is ready to start. Vegas, Boahstan and then a western road trip... we all know how that goes.
You are underestimating how bad we are. The team is playing hard so games are close but the lack of talent is just staggering.
All 3 of the 4 teams below us last year got better this year compared to the Habs.
We've had our record massively inflated because of OT wins.
cave troll
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This team certainly belongs in bottom 10. With Dach injured, bottom 5 is probably assured.
If lottery doesn't go our way to force us to draft Celebrini or Eiserman I can say only this : God help us with Bobrov's pick.
If lottery doesn't go our way to force us to draft Celebrini or Eiserman I can say only this : God help us with Bobrov's pick.
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