HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[McGees]

Perhaps. I don't see them settling that high given how the season has gone so far. They have one of the most fortunate records in the league so far given their performances, Dach is gone for the season and they have one of the tougher schedules for the rest of the season. They're also still in rebuild mode, which means they'll look to sell well before they look to buy. Smart money is them finishing around 5th worst again.

Will they sell tho?
Lots of talk of resigning Moneyhands who is main notable UFA that would make us worse to lose.

 

[Miller Time]

Will they sell tho?
Lots of talk of resigning Moneyhands who is main notable UFA that would make us worse to lose.

I think Monahan gets moved unless we are firmly in a wild card spot by end of January...

If we are, I still think there's a good chance he's still moved (& brought back in the summer), but wouldn't be surprised if he got extended at that point.

But even then, I think Pearson, one of Allen/Monty & Kovacevic are all "sold" by the deadline unless injured.

I don't think Monahan will be here past deadline without an extension signed.

 

[WinterLion]

Caps, Flyers, Pens, CBJ

I wouldn't bet on it....

 

[McGees]

I wouldn't bet on it....

 

[WinterLion]

Will they sell tho?
Lots of talk of resigning Moneyhands who is main notable UFA that would make us worse to lose.

For starters they will trade Pearson, Monahan and maybe Monty unless they choose to resign them. All those guys are UFA's.

Then they will probably want to make some room for next year... but these will be harder deals... (Dvorak, Anderson, Savard..?)

I doubt they want to keep Moneyhands.... but maybe the goalie... I'd say 50/50 on him.

 

[rahad]

Thought that the Mesar pick, was the Monahan pick?? The trades with the Flames, and the Panthers has me left totally confused....

Mesar pick has from the Taffoli trade.

 

[The Great Weal]

Once Monahan slows down the team will start piling up the losses.

 

[salbutera]

Once Monahan slows down the team will start piling up the losses.

Unless others start contributing of course…

 

[First Line]

Will they sell tho?
Lots of talk of resigning Moneyhands who is main notable UFA that would make us worse to lose.

Oldest sales trick in the book , pretend he’s not for sale so other GM want him more. Smart

 

[Captain Mountain]

Will they sell tho?
Lots of talk of resigning Moneyhands who is main notable UFA that would make us worse to lose.

Depends on health and offers. Montreal may actually have rentals who are healthy this deadline, but they were sellers the last two deadlines too.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Even it profits were maximized by fixing the lottery which is frankly debatable to begin with, it would still make no sense for the NHL since the downside of it coming out would destroy way more value then they could possibly get by "fixing" the lottery. So no it doesn't make sense.

"It" might coming out didn't stop FIFA from commiting high levels of corruption.

"Frankly debatable", yet two of the worst franchises, in financial terms, survived because of those lottery wins, especially Pittsburgh. Stars put butts in the seats. There's no debating that.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The third party is clearly in on it too…

Don't need to. All the league needs to is change the odds sheets.

 

[LaP]

I think Monahan gets moved unless we are firmly in a wild card spot by end of January...

If we are, I still think there's a good chance he's still moved (& brought back in the summer), but wouldn't be surprised if he got extended at that point.

But even then, I think Pearson, one of Allen/Monty & Kovacevic are all "sold" by the deadline unless injured.

I don't think Monahan will be here past deadline without an extension signed.

If Monahan is not signed by the deadline he'll be traded. The jury is still out on whatever KH is a good GM or not but he looks like an intelligent man who wont take the risk to lose Monahan for nothing next summer given our current situation.

Also the mods should create a conspiracy theory thread and move all the threads about the lottery being fixed there. I suggest as a title for this thread "The Earth is Flat: Everything About the lottery Being Fixed".

 

[The Great Weal]

Unless others start contributing of course…

Besides Anderson, everyone is contributing like how you'd expect

 

[rahad]

Besides Anderson, everyone is contributing like how you'd expect

Should have traded him last season or in the summer. His value is very low right now. Hope, he put up some points by January.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

If Monahan is not signed by the deadline he'll be traded. The jury is still out on whatever KH is a good GM or not but he looks like an intelligent man who wont take the risk to lose Monahan for nothing next summer given our current situation.

Also the mods should create a conspiracy theory thread and move all the threads about the lottery being fixed there. I suggest as a title for this thread "The Earth is Flat: Everything About the lottery Being Fixed".

There's a difference between holding something as a possibility rather than a belief.

With that said, I don't need to be held by the hand to debunk a theory, unlike many who just differ to concensus and think that makes them smart.

Could you use simple observations to debunk flat earthers? Or would you need someone to tell you how?

The way you frame this, it's as if there's never been any type of corruption in major sports. The reality is that corruption is rampant wherever profits arise.

 

[Sorinth]

I think Monahan gets moved unless we are firmly in a wild card spot by end of January...

If we are, I still think there's a good chance he's still moved (& brought back in the summer), but wouldn't be surprised if he got extended at that point.

But even then, I think Pearson, one of Allen/Monty & Kovacevic are all "sold" by the deadline unless injured.

I don't think Monahan will be here past deadline without an extension signed.

It's always possible we sell someone with term but it's fairly rare so I wouldn't count on it. So it's really just down to Monahan, Pearson, and Montembeault, and frankly there's a case for re-signing each of them. But yes any who aren't signed by the deadline are likely traded.

And the trade and re-sign is even more rare, so I don't think that should be part of any sort of "plan", if we want Monahan over the next few years to help mentor the young guys then we re-sign him during the season, if we don't care about that then we trade him.

 

[bsl]

Except it DOES make sense to fix the draft if they are trying to maximize profits. No way to know if it is possible since we don't know the entire process.
As I said before the original point was the draft lottery does not stop tanking so it is garbage. The only possible benefits are additional advertising money and fixing the lottery (if it was possible).

Ffs come on. The lottery is not rigged. My god this is so dumb.

I believe the owners would do anything that increases profits. Black hawks could have had a serial killer on the team and they would cover it up to protect profits. I am sure Molson doesn't care if he wins a Cup. He cares about profits. It's not a reach to think they might consider getting stars into bigger markets.

Please stop.

 

[Miller Time]

It's always possible we sell someone with term but it's fairly rare so I wouldn't count on it. So it's really just down to Monahan, Pearson, and Montembeault, and frankly there's a case for re-signing each of them. But yes any who aren't signed by the deadline are likely traded.

And the trade and re-sign is even more rare, so I don't think that should be part of any sort of "plan", if we want Monahan over the next few years to help mentor the young guys then we re-sign him during the season, if we don't care about that then we trade him.

Best case scenario remains that he stays healthy, there's a bidding war for his service, KH & he discuss his future and share a mutual desire to re-sign him... And then we traded him to the suitor of his choice only to re-sign him on July 1.

Win win win
He gets a playoff run
We get assets that strengthen our efforts to build a contender
He gets the extension he wants with an organization he wants to be in that is that much better equipped to compete during his extension

A case like that happened a few years back... Can't quite recall with who, but vet traded at deadline only to re-sign in the summer... That's a rare but very opportunistic move, I hope we get a crack at it

 

[Sorinth]

Best case scenario remains that he stays healthy, there's a bidding war for his service, KH & he discuss his future and share a mutual desire to re-sign him... And then we traded him to the suitor of his choice only to re-sign him on July 1.

Win win win
He gets a playoff run
We get assets that strengthen our efforts to build a contender
He gets the extension he wants with an organization he wants to be in that is that much better equipped to compete during his extension

A case like that happened a few years back... Can't quite recall with who, but vet traded at deadline only to re-sign in the summer... That's a rare but very opportunistic move, I hope we get a crack at it

And the best case scenario for those who wanted to acquire PLD was to not trade for him and wait until he became UFA, how'd that work out?

So sure it's the best case scenario but it's also extremely unlikely which makes it irrelevant to consider. We have to assume that if we trade Monahan he will not be with us next year. So the only question is whether the return Monahan gets in a trade is better then the value he brings to the team and the development of our young guys over the next few years. Personally I think a late 1st and some secondary pieces is less valuable.

 

[Miller Time]

And the best case scenario for those who wanted to acquire PLD was to not trade for him and wait until he became UFA, how'd that work out?

So sure it's the best case scenario but it's also extremely unlikely which makes it irrelevant to consider. We have to assume that if we trade Monahan he will not be with us next year. So the only question is whether the return Monahan gets in a trade is better then the value he brings to the team and the development of our young guys over the next few years. Personally I think a late 1st and some secondary pieces is less valuable.

I disagree.

Your assumptions are just that, assumptions. They aren't any more grounded or valid than that.

All I suggested is what's best case imo... And if you think players & management don't come to informal agreements that affect contract decisions, I would offer that perhaps your assumptions aren't grounded in the real world of pro sports.

 

[HuGort]

Best case scenario remains that he stays healthy, there's a bidding war for his service, KH & he discuss his future and share a mutual desire to re-sign him... And then we traded him to the suitor of his choice only to re-sign him on July 1.

Win win win
He gets a playoff run
We get assets that strengthen our efforts to build a contender
He gets the extension he wants with an organization he wants to be in that is that much better equipped to compete during his extension

A case like that happened a few years back... Can't quite recall with who, but vet traded at deadline only to re-sign in the summer... That's a rare but very opportunistic move, I hope we get a crack at it

I would trade him also. I want the return. I don't know about him re-signing here or not

 

[Captain Mountain]

And the best case scenario for those who wanted to acquire PLD was to not trade for him and wait until he became UFA, how'd that work out?

So sure it's the best case scenario but it's also extremely unlikely which makes it irrelevant to consider. We have to assume that if we trade Monahan he will not be with us next year. So the only question is whether the return Monahan gets in a trade is better then the value he brings to the team and the development of our young guys over the next few years. Personally I think a late 1st and some secondary pieces is less valuable.

I'm not sure the people who wanted to wait until PLD became UFA wanted to acquire PLD that badly. And considering how PLD has looked in LA, I don't think anyone who wanted to wait for PLD to reach free agency is all that fussed about not paying Winnipeg's price right now.

Should have traded him last season or in the summer. His value is very low right now. Hope, he put up some points by January.

I'm not sure his value was that high then either, but they should have traded him in 2022 when there was widely reported interest. I kind of understood the hesitancy and don't think its a fatal mistake or anything, but its an example of overvaluing tools and undervaluing toolbox.

 

[Tuggy]

Habs 17th overall right now but looking worse every game.

Sharks are untouchable but everyone else is fair game I think.

 

[Michoulicious]

I don't understand how people can look at that line up and then talk about no trading Monahan.

Of course you trade the guy if you can get assets for him.

If a team is desperate enough to pony assets RIGHT NOW, I'd deal him right away just in case he injures himself. His value is at its highest it's been in years.

If he stays healthy at the end of the season and he wants to play here, he just signs again as a free agent on July 1st.

Simple.

That team will be bottom 10 for sure, with a bit of injury (bad) luck, a bottom 5 finish is clearly not out of the question.

I don't care if veterans have good years, I want to see progression and ice time for young players, no matter the results.