HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

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Jaynki

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Yeah I don't think we will be as bad as last year. But we should still pick in the back end of the top 10 with some lotto odds.

My best case scenario without lotto is us being in range to get one of Catton or Demidov. Worst case scenario we should be looking at MBN, Lindstrom or Helenius.

We may have the ammo to move up too.

Lets see. We all have our favourite and aim for certain player at certain spot, as long as we nail our pick.
 

Sorinth

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So last season after the Monahan injury the team finished the season at .368, if from here on out we drop to that level we would finish with 65 points which would've been 5th last year and 6th the year before. So it's not looking particularly good for a bottom-5 finish.

Next game is against Vegas, it's pretty much guaranteed to be a loss but how we lose will be interesting to see. If we play them well but lose because we can't stay out of the penalty box we could gain a bit of momentum/belief and since the 2 games after Vegas are Arizona and St Louis we could build some momentum heading into the important divisional games. On the other hand it's a blowout loss that demoralizes the team, which we then have to go to Arizona's arena which is demoralizing in itself it could lead to the first big losing streak of the year.
 

sandviper

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It's not sustainable, we were above .500 when Monahan went down and finished bottom 5.

Just chill boys.

Just to add… we’re 5th overall but with a negative goal differential. Yes, i am aware it’s “just” -1 but good teams obviously can’t sustain success at a negative.

October is almost over and reality will come… maybe as soon as tomorrow.
 

Sorinth

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Just to add… we’re 5th overall but with a negative goal differential. Yes, i am aware it’s “just” -1 but good teams obviously can’t sustain success at a negative.

October is almost over and reality will come… maybe as soon as tomorrow.
On the flip side 5 on 5 we are very good in terms of goal differential at +8 which would point to it being fairly sustainable. Not too mention it could be explained away by being at the top of the league in terms of penalties taken, if that reverts to the norm we could easily be + team in goal differential.
 

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On the flip side 5 on 5 we are very good in terms of goal differential at +8 which would point to it being fairly sustainable. Not too mention it could be explained away by being at the top of the league in terms of penalties taken, if that reverts to the norm we could easily be + team in goal differential.
What's the Habs even strength PDO?

Anyway I'll be shocked if this team does well as the fundamentals are not good. Dach is out for the season, and the team is in the strongest division.
 

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On the flip side 5 on 5 we are very good in terms of goal differential at +8 which would point to it being fairly sustainable. Not too mention it could be explained away by being at the top of the league in terms of penalties taken, if that reverts to the norm we could easily be + team in goal differential.

Strenght of opposition was lower than average. Sustainability still highly in question.
 

Sorinth

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What's the Habs even strength PDO?

Anyway I'll be shocked if this team does well as the fundamentals are not good. Dach is out for the season, and the team is in the strongest division.
It's 1.058 which is certainly high and will regress. But we're also a net positive for scoring chances and high danger scoring chances so it's not like we are just riding pure luck either.
 

morhilane

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What's the Habs even strength PDO?

Anyway I'll be shocked if this team does well as the fundamentals are not good. Dach is out for the season, and the team is in the strongest division.
Currently at 1.058, 2nd in the league (Vancouver is at 1.074).
But they are "unlucky" on the PP and PK.

And the PP% is going up (currently at 22.6% ).
 

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Maybe if the draft was in November, but we have to play 82 games.
In October last year I said we would pick 6-8 while some were talking playoffs.
I understand rebuild is not fun but you have to wait a bit more. We are picking in the top 10 this year, maybe top 8 and next year we might get to 12-14th

For sure, although it's always hard to predict when teams will end up since for the most part lots of teams aren't far apart in points. Last year the Habs were one of the worst teams in the league, yet in 16 OT games they won 10 which means almost half of all their wins last season were in OT. Kind of unlucky there as a team that only won 11 games in regulation just isn't very good.

This year you HOPE they are better. I know the talk about they MUST finish dead last but I don't buy that since there's a lottery so no matter what you need luck and that's not something I want to count on. We have to HOPE they make the right picks, I'm not sold they have but it's too late for that, now we have to HOPE they did and can develop them. Only time will tell but you want to see improvement from the young players, what that leads to is out of everyone's control so we just need to see how it unfolds and make the RIGHT choices at the draft and with development no matter where we end up.

Fans last season overreacted to a decent start, I recall being told how there was NO WAY they would be picking top 5 and we could FORGET a top 10 pick. But those comments didn't age well. Maybe this year will be different but so far I don't buy it. Unless Caufield/Suzuki really break out to levels I don't expect them to. It's very hard to predict when a player will breakout, but Caufield putting up a ppg and 40+ would certainly prevent the Habs from a top 5 pick pre lottery. If there were to be the case then so be it, and good for Caufield.
 

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Habs are having trouble tanking because they have the good player syndrome: even when you’re having a bad game, stars and good players just need one chance to score or to set up a scoring chance.

Suzuki, Caufield, Monahan are keeping the habs in games they ain’t playing well and are even getting the team the wins with their talent.

Guhle last night also showed what good players do.

If Dach was still here, tankers would be even more frustrated. It seems the habs have a certain baseline talent level that is too high to tank and too low to be a playoff team.
I kind of agree, they have some talent but it’s really the goaltending that keeps them in games. You can have all the Caufield’s you want, if the goaltender let 5 goals in almost every night you’re not gonna win, especially not with our defense.
 

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I kind of agree, they have some talent but it’s really the goaltending that keeps them in games. You can have all the Caufield’s you want, if the goaltender let 5 goals in almost every night you’re not gonna win, especially not with our defense.
Obviously, if the G is a sieve, you won't win any games, but you still need to be opportunistic and semi decent, offensively, to mount comebacks when your Gs keep you in the game.

There isn such thing as the G winning the game for you if you need to score three goals town it because you predawn two. He might keep you in the game, but he's not winning it for you if you need to score three goals.

If you score ONE goal early, but can't add to that lead, and the G shuts out the opponent, then, he has won the game for you.
 
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salbutera

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Food for thought …

Jake Allen has borderline elite career sv % when limited to 36GP - numbers fall off the cliff thereafter, he’s currently on pace for 41GP
 
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morhilane

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Food for thought …

Jake Allen has borderline elite career sv % when limited to 36GP - numbers fall off the cliff thereafter, he’s currently on pace for 41GP
I have no idea how the coaching staff don't see it. It's been evident since he joined the team, you can see the degradation each subsequent weekly games and how well he plays after a longer rest.
 
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WeThreeKings

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In other respects.. with Dach on the shelf.. the best players on our team were drafted mid 1st.

Suzuki (13th I think)
Caufield 15th
Guhle (16th/17th?)
 
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salbutera

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I have no idea how the coaching staff don't see it. It's been evident since he joined the team, you can see the degradation each subsequent weekly games and how well he plays after a longer rest.
If a schmuck like me sees it…. of course they see it - it’s a question of MSLs options + there’s also the aspect of increasing Allen’s market / demand value.

It’s a 3G horserace to try and pry best return….its becoming more evident none of them are the longterm solution
 

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That Hawks/Coyotes game was pretty interesting. I'm already trying to figure out who will be in the bottom 5.

Hawks are one but I'm pretty sure the Coyotes will be closer to the playoffs, they are a much deeper team than previous years (this evaluation is not based on the 8-1 game; I watched 3 others games).

Sharks are the other sure one, they stink!

For us it depends if the goalies can keep their current streak of playing over expectations, thus far we look like a 11-15 draft selection, but you can see in the advanced stats / on the ice / injuries all kinds of signs it's not going to sustain. 6-10th looks like if Suzuki/Caufield/Monahan stay on the ice. If we lose only 1 of the 3, we could slide further.

For 3-5 its really not set yet, Anaheim and Calgary look so so, Colombus, Philly not out of the woods. I think Buffalo and Ottawa will surge at some point.

I hate the idea that the Hawks could get Bedard and Celebrini.
 
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