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hardcorehabs said:
This squad is really missing Sergeant First Class Drouin and Commander Hoffman

LT Galllagher is going to have a tough time getting this Tank rolling again
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There's no doubt at some point the losses will come but its looking like bottom 5 might be out of reach.
 
Sorinth said:
There's no doubt at some point the losses will come but its looking like bottom 5 might be out of reach.
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We were 13-12-2 on December 14 of the last year and we still managed to finish in the final bottom 5 and not that far outside of the tier that was in the bottom tier. Teams will eventually tighten up. Happens every year. We’ve picked up wins against Chicago, Columbus, Washington, and Buffalo. Not great opposition.
 
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nhlfan9191 said:
We were 13-12-2 on December 14 of the last year and we still managed to finish in the final bottom 5 and not that far outside of the tier that was in the bottom tier. Teams will eventually tighten up. Happens every year. We’ve picked up wins against Chicago, Columbus, Washington, and Buffalo. Not great opposition.
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Teams will eventually tighten up. Happens every year.

It wasn't just because of that. We finished 5th worst because one soldier fell after another. At one point, Suzuki was the only one holding up the fort, playing over 20 minutes a game repeatedly in all game situations.

If, outside of losing Dach and Savard, we remain relatively healthy, I don't see a bottom-five finish.

Barring any trades and additions, I think WASH is seriously on the decline this season.

I'm more surprised that BOS is doing swell to start the season, personally, still undefeated in regulation after 7 games!

The point about the quality of the opposition so far this season is good, though. Plus, the calendar wasn't too taxing to start the season for the Habs.
 
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Scriptor said:
I'm more surprised that BOS is doing swell to start the season, personally, still undefeated in regulation after 7 games!
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Boston scored has many goals as the Habs, but let in half as much (yet Habs still have a better 5v5 differential by 1 goal, Boston are 2nd now :laugh:).
 
Our division may prove to be the best tank support...

7 teams to hit double digit points so far, 4 of them in our division lol (& we're at 9).
 
nhlfan9191 said:
We were 13-12-2 on December 14 of the last year and we still managed to finish in the final bottom 5 and not that far outside of the tier that was in the bottom tier. Teams will eventually tighten up. Happens every year. We’ve picked up wins against Chicago, Columbus, Washington, and Buffalo. Not great opposition.
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Well 4-2-1 is a much better record then 13-12-2 and we were 2 points from not being bottom-5 last year. As a comparison that 13-12-2 record had us 21st in the league, our current record has us 9th in the league. Like I said, there's no doubt we will start to lose more as the season goes on, but we are building a bigger cushion to start with and looking at our losses the drop probably won't be as bad. Obviously serious injuries to key players can throw that all out the window.
 
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After tomorrow we will have played 6 of 8 at home including games against Chicago, Washington and Columbus. It took OT to beat two of those crap teams. The losses will pile up no doubt, for now we can enjoy Caufield lighting the scoresheet. The difference in lottery odds between #4-7 isn't worth getting worked up over and I have no doubt we're a bottom 7 team this year.

The bottom of the league doesn't appear to be nearly as bad this year without Bedard as a carrot enticing GMs to bottom out.
 
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It's so early, don't worry at all.

The good news is we were able to at least spot Washington and CBJ a point.

We've barely won the games against poor opposition, it won't be sustainable and we know more injuries are coming.. that's the Habs way.
 
Riggins said:
After tomorrow we will have played 6 of 8 at home including games against Chicago, Washington and Columbus. It took OT to beat two of those crap teams. The losses will pile up no doubt, for now we can enjoy Caufield lighting the scoresheet. The difference in lottery odds between #4-7 isn't worth getting worked up over and I have no doubt we're a bottom 7 team this year.

The bottom of the league doesn't appear to be nearly as bad this year without Bedard as a carrot enticing GMs to bottom out.
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Is Columbus really a crap team though? They are sitting in a playoff spot right now, and much of their crappiness reputation is based on last season which could be explained by key injuries causing the wheels to fall off and then the whole team underperforming. If they stay relatively healthy they could easily be in the mix for a wildcard spot.
 
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Is Columbus really a crap team though? They are sitting in a playoff spot right now, and much of their crappiness reputation is based on last season which could be explained by key injuries causing the wheels to fall off and then the whole team underperforming. If they stay relatively healthy they could easily be in the mix for a wildcard spot.
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They're not great and were without Laine last night who is their best player.
 
WeThreeKings said:
They're not great and were without Laine last night who is their best player.
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Nobody said they were great, but it's not like it's either you are either a great team or a crap team. But yeah missing Laine is a blow even though he wasn't tearing it up this year.

In order to tank you need to consistently lose against the middle of pack teams, so far I see it as we are 2-1 against the middle of the pack teams (CLB, BUF, MIN), 2-0 against the crap teams (CHI, WAS), and 0-1-1 against the good teams (TOR, NJ). Those won't hold up over time but the question is whether we will build a big-ish cushion, and when we do drop down how far of a drop will it be.

Next set of games are 1 good team (VG), 1 middle of the pack team (WIN), and 2 crap teams (ARI, STL).
 
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Nobody said they were great, but it's not like it's either you are either a great team or a crap team. But yeah missing Laine is a blow even though he wasn't tearing it up this year.

In order to tank you need to consistently lose against the middle of pack teams, so far I see it as we are 2-1 against the middle of the pack teams (CLB, BUF, MIN), 2-0 against the crap teams (CHI, WAS), and 0-1-1 against the good teams (TOR, NJ). Those won't hold up over time but the question is whether we will build a big-ish cushion, and when we do drop down how far of a drop will it be.

Next set of games are 1 good team (VG), 1 middle of the pack team (WIN), and 2 crap teams (ARI, STL).
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We have a soft schedule to start the year.. I really do think we will finish bottom 10 as our division is simply too good, and there's more better teams in the league than us. We haven't impressed in any win against the bottom dwellers, so sooner rather than later, we will be on the wrong side of those as well.
 
WeThreeKings said:
We have a soft schedule to start the year.. I really do think we will finish bottom 10 as our division is simply too good, and there's more better teams in the league than us. We haven't impressed in any win against the bottom dwellers, so sooner rather than later, we will be on the wrong side of those as well.
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Bottom-10 is certainly still very much within the cards, bottom-5 is looking less so.

Yeah they haven't been super impressive in any of the wins which is why their current record isn't going to last. But it's about how far they fall. To match last years 68 points we will have to go 29-45-1 over the rest of the season. It's doable but it looks easier then it actually is. MSL is a career .433 with us which projected for the rest of the season brings us to 74 points. So we have to be worse then we were the last 2 years for the remainder of the season, it can happen but it would be quite the reversal, especially if injuries aren't as bad as those last couple years.
 
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Bottom-10 is certainly still very much within the cards, bottom-5 is looking less so.

Yeah they haven't been super impressive in any of the wins which is why their current record isn't going to last. But it's about how far they fall. To match last years 68 points we will have to go 29-45-1 over the rest of the season. It's doable but it looks easier then it actually is. MSL is a career .433 with us which projected for the rest of the season brings us to 74 points. So we have to be worse then we were the last 2 years for the remainder of the season, it can happen but it would be quite the reversal, especially if injuries aren't as bad as those last couple years.
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I do think we'll see the bottom teams have more points than last year.. last year was historical levels of trying to be bad on purpose.

All we can do is see how things play out, regardless we gotta win a lottery.
 
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I thought it was pretty obvious the addition by subtraction would prevent us from being as bad as last year. Drouin and Hoffman were worse than AHLers. Drouin will be on waivers before the end of the year. Hoffman too. These guys got significant minutes here and are a combined 2 points in 14 games and minus a hundred. Eddy can't even tie his skates. Pitlick couldn't crack a team looking to finish bottom 5. Dadonov also is immediately giving Dallas buyer's remorse.
 
Boss Man Hughes said:
Hoffman is really lighting up the scorebord with SJ. One assist in 7 games. Coincidentally the same stats as Drouin.
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The french media has all over him in the summer. ''He never got a good opportunity in Montreal'' lol.

He can't handle the NHL anymore. Good for him to use his friendship with Mackinon to get a contract in Colorado.

He will play in Europe next year.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I do think we'll see the bottom teams have more points than last year.. last year was historical levels of trying to be bad on purpose.

All we can do is see how things play out, regardless we gotta win a lottery.
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Yeah generally 68 would get you a little lower then 5th, but I'm not sure it's linked to how good the draft is seen to be since in 2021-2022 5th spot was at 63 points. Would going from 31 to 32 teams have had an impact on what the new normal should be?
 
WeThreeKings said:
I do think we'll see the bottom teams have more points than last year.. last year was historical levels of trying to be bad on purpose.

All we can do is see how things play out, regardless we gotta win a lottery.
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Sharks haven't gotten the memo. They are having a worst start than the Ducks last season...
 
Unfortunately the Habs are going to ride their 9th best HDCF% to the playoffs. There will be no top draft pick this year.
 
Jeffrey Steele said:
All we need is better teams to matchup against.

Win- Chicago, 30th last year
Win- Washington, 25th
Win- Buffalo, 20th
Win- Columbus, 31st
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This next part of the schedule will be a challenge and tell us more about where this team is at.
 
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