HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It doesn't take age and experience be a defeatist, pessimistic person and think almost everything is pointless. It's a frame of mind.

On the point that future lineups take into account players that won't been this teams accurate. 75% of the players being no longer on this team is a bit high, IMO.

I'd say 47.625%.

That's still pointless. Also, I stopped posting lineups way before I lost joy, fun and hope in this team. One has nothing to do with the other, contrarily to what you stated.

In my teens and twenties, I used to do it all the time, especially when the Habs started battling for the playoffs again in the early millenium.

At some point, around the centennial, I stopped doing it because i finally got to the point where i finally figured (duh!) they just didn't match with what followed. I also grew other interests and that's the bigger part of it. The more hockey is your sole interest, the more you do these types of behavior.

 

[waitin425]

I won't go on about the tank. But I will say this after watching the Sens last night.

We will be extremely fortunate if 3 of Guhle, Mailloux, Hutson or Rein develop into our version of Sanderson, Chabot and Chych. I really hope we get there.

I don't see how our 3 young guys Suzuki, Cole and Slaf measure to Stutzle, Tkachuk and Norris as of right now. Similar ages, but if I am being truthful with myself I would probably go with the Sens three. Hopefully that changes in the future. I really hope they can match those guys or be better.

We still need another #1 at something. Top line centre (via draft), #1 winger (via draft) or top pairing defender via development.

I bring up the Sens because we will be competing with them in the 3-4 year mark.

Blah.....the eternal optimist is feeling down today guys.

 

[WinterLion]

I won't go on about the tank. But I will say this after watching the Sens last night.

We will be extremely fortunate if 3 of Guhle, Mailloux, Hutson or Rein develop into our version of Sanderson, Chabot and Chych. I really hope we get there.

I don't see how our 3 young guys Suzuki, Cole and Slaf measure to Stutzle, Tkachuk and Norris as of right now. Similar ages, but if I am being truthful with myself I would probably go with the Sens three. Hopefully that changes in the future. I really hope they can match those guys or be better.

We still need another #1 at something. Top line centre (via draft), #1 winger (via draft) or top pairing defender via development.

I bring up the Sens because we will be competing with them in the 3-4 year mark.

Blah.....the eternal optimist is feeling down today guys.

The Sens are definitely further along, but they are also in a much different phase. It's going to be a rough year. Suzuki and Caulfield are going to get a lot of attention this year. They may struggle hard, but they should grow from it... at least I hope so!

 

[waitin425]

The Sens are definitely further along, but they are also in a much different phase. It's going to be a rough year. Suzuki and Caulfield are going to get a lot of attention this year. They may struggle hard, but they should grow from it... at least I hope so!

For sure. They are further along, no doubt, but the age range is similar and that scares me. Hope is all we have right now. It'll either end in frustration and heart break or elation. This year will be another one of those roller coaster of emotion seasons.

 

[ReHabs]

A lot of people are only now coming to terms with the fact that Carey Price was a major factor in our on-ice success. No Carey Price means we are way, way behind where we were even five years ago and so far I don't see any way we can get back to even that level. I was dead wrong in thinking we should build around the Suzuki Caufield core, we needed a near-immediate impact player from the 1OA and the 5OA and didn't get it.

 

[WinterLion]

For sure. They are further along, no doubt, but the age range is similar and that scares me. Hope is all we have right now. It'll either end in frustration and heart break or elation. This year will be another one of those roller coaster of emotion seasons.

Yeah no doubt. We certainly need some young players to really blossom... but I always felt this was only the first wave. It will take a few more years to even become a decent team I think, but then it could happen quickly as long as Hughes doesn't sign too many bad contracts.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Sens are definitely further along, but they are also in a much different phase. It's going to be a rough year. Suzuki and Caulfield are going to get a lot of attention this year. They may struggle hard, but they should grow from it... at least I hope so!

Sens got a major set back with the Norris injury last year. It was deflating. Sens are also further along yes because they started their rebuild earlier.

Now the Habs have encountered a major set back with the Dach injury. He was our best puck possession center. No offense to Suzuki but Dach was better in that area.

 

[WinterLion]

A lot of people are only now coming to terms with the fact that Carey Price was a major factor in our on-ice success. No Carey Price means we are way, way behind where we were even five years ago and so far I don't see any way we can get back to even that level. I was dead wrong in thinking we should build around the Suzuki Caufield core, we needed a near-immediate impact player from the 1OA and the 5OA and didn't get it.

We definitely need to upgrade the core or at the very least deepen it...

Suzuki/Caulfield core never seemed like a winning formula to me... We will a few better players

 

[Habs Halifax]

A lot of people are only now coming to terms with the fact that Carey Price was a major factor in our on-ice success. No Carey Price means we are way, way behind where we were even five years ago and so far I don't see any way we can get back to even that level. I was dead wrong in thinking we should build around the Suzuki Caufield core, we needed a near-immediate impact player from the 1OA and the 5OA and didn't get it.

Price and Therrien's obsession with defense. We were chipping pucks out our end all the time vs trying to carry it out. Price was awesome yes but we also played a structure in front of him to keep pucks to the outside. It worked to some degree.

 

[hvac412]

It looked good on paper before the season started and then injuries Heineman Reinbacher and etc , then habs started playing the same hockey as the last 2 seasons. I don'T know what I expected since we have the same exact roster.

Atleast Newhook is looking sharp and Pearson is giving us a value for the TDL

Exactly why I don't think were headed in the right direction,the coaching staff is clearly overwhelmed and constantly out- coached. What's the point in getting players you think might be a right fit for the future if there not managed well ? Really liked what Craig Button said is the difference between how and why Logan Cooley is a much better player right now compared to Slofkosky,once again management screwed up,this kid should have not been brought up so quick,might not be to late sending him down.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Price and Therrien's obsession with defense. We were chipping pucks out our end all the time vs trying to carry it out. Price was awesome yes but we also played a structure in front of him to keep pucks to the outside. It worked to some degree.

At the expense of everybody's entertainment and mental health. People swear by those Paciorrety DD price markov subban teams , In my opinion those teams were always garbage on paper compared to the rest of the league. I do not long for those days whatsoever , rather tank than spin the wheels like we did for a decade

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

At the expense of everybody's entertainment and mental health. People swear by those Paciorrety DD price markov subban teams , In my opinion those teams were always garbage on paper compared to the rest of the league. I do not long for those days whatsoever , rather tank than spin the wheels like we did for a decade

Come on now. A core of Markov-Subban-Price was elite defensively and had a lot of promise to build around. The clown just stood pat.

I long having a D like Markov, so in extent, I do long for having a core with such promise.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Come on now. A core of Markov-Subban-Price was elite defensively and had a lot of promise to build around. The clown just stood pat.

I long having a D like Markov, so in extent, I do long for having a core with such promise.

Yeah we had two great dmen and a HOF goalie , the forwards were garbage and Arizona . Nashville (arguably better than us) , Minnesota (arguably better than us) level. We were a bottom 5 offensive product to watch during that entire span i'm sorry but thinking otherwise is delusional , total snoozefest of a team

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

So, the tank starts again?

I hate this so much. Last year was so painful finishing with the 5th pick.

Can we just have Berkly Catton and call it even?

Wait until we finish bottom 5 next year again , patience my friend!

 

[Gustave]

Wait until we finish bottom 5 next year again , patience my friend!

Lie to us a little bit man, truth is devastating sometimes.

 

[DAChampion]

Yeah we had two great dmen and a HOF goalie , the forwards were garbage and Arizona . Nashville (arguably better than us) , Minnesota (arguably better than us) level. We were a bottom 5 offensive product to watch during that entire span i'm sorry but thinking otherwise is delusional , total snoozefest of a team

Markov and Subban were both HOF-level if their health has been better.

Regardless, the offense was bad because Bergevin never added to it other than five minutes with Vanek. He had the option of trading any of Leblanc, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Macaron, Scherbak when their value or even their pick's value was high, he chose to stand pat.

Bergevin's Habs were also playing in the weakest division in hockey. They had an easy path to the finals in the years 2013-2017, where they lost to teams like Ottawa and New York.

Hughes is more creative and willing to trade value for value ... But he's starting from the bottom: no Price, no Subban, no Markov, though you can argue that Suzuki and Cauldield are equivalent to Plekanec and Pacioretty.

 

[therocket9]

Markov and Subban were both HOF-level if their health has been better.

Regardless, the offense was bad because Bergevin never added to it other than five minutes with Vanek. He had the option of trading any of Leblanc, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Macaron, Scherbak when their value or even their pick's value was high, he chose to stand pat.

Bergevin's Habs were also playing in the weakest division in hockey. They had an easy path to the finals in the years 2013-2017, where they lost to teams like Ottawa and New York.

Hughes is more creative and willing to trade value for value ... But he's starting from the bottom: no Price, no Subban, no Markov, though you can argue that Suzuki and Cauldield are equivalent to Plekanec and Pacioretty.

They only lost to the Rangers because Price got ran into by Kreider.

 

[Whitesnake]

We are so unlucky. Unlucky with the injuries. Unlucky with the draft. Unlucky during games. Get those pros a lifetime extension. And buy some four-leaf clovers.

 

[DAChampion]

They only lost to the Rangers because Price got ran into by Kreider.

Revisionist nonsense.

Tokatski actually played fine in 2014, but the Habs couldn't score.

The Habs also lost to the Rangers in 2017, in a massacre.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Markov and Subban were both HOF-level if their health has been better.

Regardless, the offense was bad because Bergevin never added to it other than five minutes with Vanek. He had the option of trading any of Leblanc, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Macaron, Scherbak when their value or even their pick's value was high, he chose to stand pat.

Bergevin's Habs were also playing in the weakest division in hockey. They had an easy path to the finals in the years 2013-2017, where they lost to teams like Ottawa and New York.

Hughes is more creative and willing to trade value for value ... But he's starting from the bottom: no Price, no Subban, no Markov, though you can argue that Suzuki and Cauldield are equivalent to Plekanec and Pacioretty.

Yes I agree with everything you are saying , Bergevin had a great base to build with and did nothing, and Hughes has less to work with but less pressure to win now like bergy did , Lotsa work to do we must be patient

They only lost to the Rangers because Price got ran into by Kreider.

Moral victory I guess , would have gotten swept by the kings. I have no interest in fluke runs with average teams while they are fun , you can't win the cup with a below average roster on paper, we should tank until we have enough elite talent to build a sustainable contending team

 

[Chose]

I think that's the plan. If I had my tinfoil hat, I would say that maybe those record years in injuries are sort of planned/tanking moves, but I won't go there.

I see another top5 pick this year, and I hope they do it right for Celebrini...
Maybe this time luck will be on our side.

I think there is a good young core to build around. It is easy to see only Suzuki & Caufield, because they have proven their potentiel, but the defensive young core is also exciting in potential. Dach will be awesome, and at some point, it wouldn't surprise me if Slavkovsky and him surpass Suz/Cole as the first duo... Maybe with Roy. Newhook is also promising and NHL ready.

Patience, the team will be exciting at some point. I trust Hugues so much with all he has done so far.

 

[therocket9]

Revisionist nonsense.

Tokatski actually played fine in 2014, but the Habs couldn't score.

The Habs also lost to the Rangers in 2017, in a massacre.

Wrong Montreal was the favourite they had home ice when you lose your best player that is why they lost...PERIOD ...they were only outscored 20-15.

 

[DAChampion]

Wrong Montreal was the favourite they had home ice when you lose your best player that is why they lost...PERIOD ...they were only outscored 20-15.

Cope.

 

[gusfring]

The Sens killed the 2020 draft (Stutzle and Sanderson). It will set them up for years.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

The Sens killed the 2020 draft (Stutzle and Sanderson). It will set them up for years.

also got lucky with the Sharks pick nobody expected that pick to be top 3

imagine if our Florida pick was top 3 last draft we leave with Fantilli plus Reinbacher