HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[The Gr8 Dane]

Hope we tank next year

 

[Guy Larose]

Reverse the bottom 10 draft order so all year they can't try and lose all the games.

 

[Habs13]

An AHL team with a promotion bonus capable of signing NHL UFAs and drafting NHL players. Over time it improves the talent of the AHL and makes the both leagues more competitive.

Moreover, you still have a min and max salary cap.

I've wanted an NHL tier 2 for decades - teams are far less likely to tank if it means dropping a tier. Yeah, you got the top draft spot and now you're in a lower league. Congratulations.

 

[JianYang]

Relegation and promotion like football.

It won't fly in north America and definitely won't fly in the nhl.

 

[Gravity]

It won't fly in north America and definitely won't fly in the nhl.

Then how do you suggest punishing tanking?

 

[Habs13]

It won't fly in north America and definitely won't fly in the nhl.

Why not? If it works in a place like England that has hundreds of pro teams... why not here?

 

[Team_Spirit]

The lottery fixed that desire to lose at all cost except in phenom drafts that happens like once in 10 years.

Watched the Daigle documentary last night Sens lost 70 games to draft him and sucked for a decade as a result

 

[Captain Mountain]

Then how do you suggest punishing tanking?

Lottery and limited lottery wins already do that. Aggressively tanking only works if you get an elite superstar talent or two. Otherwise you become the Sabres and miss the playoffs for a decade.

But the Gold Plan is probably the best fix to the issue of cheering for losses.

 

[Gravity]

Lottery and limited lottery wins already do that. Aggressively tanking only works if you get an elite superstar talent or two. Otherwise you become the Sabres and miss the playoffs for a decade.

But the Gold Plan is probably the best fix to the issue of cheering for losses.

So Chicago nailed it then. The Sabres are rebuilding the rebuild from what was rebuilt.

 

[Habs13]

The lottery fixed that desire to lose at all cost except in phenom drafts that happens like once in 10 years.

Watched the Daigle documentary last night Sens lost 70 games to draft him and sucked for a decade as a result

The bottom team still gets more balls and more chance at that top pick. How often does a 10th placed team win the lottery?

Chicago sold off Dach and that Debrinkat to ensure they finished last and... they drafted Bedard.

 

[Gravity]

If it stays as it is I'm going to keep cheering for losses until we have a superstar C.

 

[LaP]

There's nothing the NHL can really do. Back when there was only 21 teams pretty much every teams were making the playoffs and it was the same. The regular season was also boring as 95% of the teams were 100% sure to make the playoffs before the season even start. The same teams would miss every years and there was just no point doing the regular season outside of watching Gretzky and Lemieux break records.

The bottom team still gets more balls and more chance at that top pick. How often does a 10th placed team win the lottery?

Chicago sold off Dach and that Debrinkat to ensure they finished last and... they drafted Bedard.

I hope the solution is not to let TB get the 1st overall pick after winning a cup having Kucherov on the LTIR all season.

People are complaining for no reason. There's no problem with the current system. Outside of a few badly managed teams there's a good parity and there's a cycle. The main problem right now is LTIR but i'm sure the NHL will look into that after the CBA expires.

 

[junyab]

If youre 12th in your conference you shouldn't be in the playoffs lol

 

[Captain Mountain]

The bottom team still gets more balls and more chance at that top pick. How often does a 10th placed team win the lottery?

Chicago sold off Dach and that Debrinkat to ensure they finished last and... they drafted Bedard.

Chicago sold off Dach and DeBrincat and had a 2% greater chance than Montreal to draft Bedard and was more likely than not to miss out on Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson.

Its less about tanking and more about getting lucky.

 

[Team_Spirit]

The bottom team still gets more balls and more chance at that top pick. How often does a 10th placed team win the lottery?

Chicago sold off Dach and that Debrinkat to ensure they finished last and... they drafted Bedard.

They finished 3rd last like Edmonton in the McDavid draft.

Sabres/Yotes never recovered, even with 2 more 1st overalls (in non phenom years)

 

[teamfirst]

Hope we tank next year

Lol i bet you are, but what if your team goes the Sabres way, at some point you have to go the desinterest way

At least if every non-playoffs teams have the same lottery odds you're not wishing for them to be the crappiest team in the league

 

[Habs13]

Chicago sold off Dach and DeBrincat and had a 2% greater chance than Montreal to draft Bedard and was more likely than not to miss out on Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson.

Its less about tanking and more about getting lucky.

Look at Pittsburgh and all the luck they had, year after year after year. Crosby. Malkin. Letang, Fleury. Staal.

They finished 3rd last like Edmonton in the McDavid draft.

Sabres/Yotes never recovered, even with 2 more 1st overalls (in non phenom years)

Buffalo is a badly managed team and Arizona shouldn't even be in the NHL.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Chicago sold off Dach and DeBrincat and had a 2% greater chance than Montreal to draft Bedard and was more likely than not to miss out on Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson.

Its less about tanking and more about getting lucky.

If it was luck.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

JUST READ THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD..

 

[Canadienna]

It's not perfect, but imagine how fun it would be to cheer for the Habs during a rebuild with this system.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

So Chicago nailed it then. The Sabres are rebuilding the rebuild from what was rebuilt.

Chicago only nailed it if the lottery was fixed. They finished 3rd. They should not have been able to get Bedard.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I look forward to next year where I don't care about where we finish and just hope for wins even though we won't make the playoffs.

 

[Rapala]

I hate not being happy after a win or a loss for my team and i think-hope the NHL should-would do something about it, here's a couple of idea i got on what they could do.

First one is,

12 teams per conf in the playoffs, first 2 teams in each division get a by to the second round waiting 1 week for the other 8 teams who would play a best of 5 series in 7 days.
8 teams not making the playoffs are in a lottery with all equal odds for the first overall pick, the winning team has to wait another 7 years to be eligible of winning it again.

Second one,

If they want to keep the same playoffs format meaning only 16 teams make the playoffs, then atleast change the lottery rules,
make all the non-playoffs team have the same odds of winning the first overall pick and the winner has to wait another 15 years to be eligible of winning again.

I agree with a revamped and expanded playoff format whatever that may look like.
I'd like to see 6 teams in each conference go through and the wildcard expanded to 4 teams playing 2 of 3 for the remaining spots.
20 teams make the Post Season. 16 teams advance to the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

I'm kind of partial to the 1v8 system of old because it puts the value back into winning the conference.
The President's Cup may actually mean something?
It also ensures we don't get the same friggin' match-ups year after year.

For the draft
Two tiers of 6 teams play single game runoffs for better odds.
6 and 5 bye 4v3 2v1 6v4/3 5v2/1 two winners play

I still believe the bottom teams should get an advantage of some sort.
This would generate a whole heck of a lot more interest and revenue IMO.

My brackets and numbers were off so the draft portion has to change.
It's not perfect but it's better than what we currently have in place.

 

[billy piton]

An AHL team with a promotion bonus capable of signing NHL UFAs and partaking in the NHL draft. Over time it improves the talent of the AHL and makes the both leagues more competitive.

Moreover, you still have a min and max salary cap.

and what would let's say, chicago blackhawks and san jose sharks do if they get relegated to the ahl? they have commited around 70m in salaries for the next year and no way in hell that they will be able to pay them with ahl tv money and ahl attendance. they would just go bust. it just doesn't make sense and no sane owner will ever agree to that just to make competition between bad teams more interesting for some fans.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It's not perfect, but imagine how fun it would be to cheer for the Habs during a rebuild with this system.

Does that mean the non playoff team with the most points gets first pick?